they didn't just their video calling. All voice is still on GSM.

Oh this guy said they did

https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »

so i wonder why they would wait, cuz gsm sucks imo...any thoughts?

because jsut liek sprint and verizon their 3g is not network wide yet.

Sprint will be there soon right, cuz they are releasing qchat soon and must have reva up solid, right?

they have said their entire network will be EVDO by year end.

dex1980 said:
all those links i posted above talk about it, for example:

"LTE is a progression of GSM's UMTS platform, making it an ironic choice for CDMA stalwart Verizon and a huge blow for the CDMA Development Group's competing UMB standard"

And no- WCDMA is not based on the GSM technology, however LTE is.

Don't bother. Every Tech site says LTE is an extension of GSM but Verizon fan-boys will never admit it. Even though ATT still sucks although its 3G and Voice is WCDMA.........

ATT voice is not WCDMA. only 3g. And I am not a verizon fanboy. LTE is the progression upgrade to GSM jsut like EVDO Rev c is the upgrade path for CDMA. However EVDO is more expensive to maintain so they are choosing LTE.

wombough said:
ATT voice is not WCDMA. only 3g. And I am not a verizon fanboy. LTE is the progression upgrade to GSM jsut like EVDO Rev c is the upgrade path for CDMA. However EVDO is more expensive to maintain so they are choosing LTE.

Im not an ATT fan-boy.
I am a GSM fan though. I would love nothing more then to have a universal technology.

Then the only differences would be what the carriers offer within that technology. This would hurt VEriaon more then ATT though becasue Verizon has income streams they would lose whereas ATT is not used to getting as much income from GSM apps, of file sharing already,

so wtf is att voice on WCDMA or not!! cuz their voice networks blows so that would kill woms theory all to hell, cuz he is saying that once att get their voice on WCDMA is will be just at good as verizon and sprint

no they are not on WCDMA. The only country that runs voice on WCDMA right now is Japan and I konw I have been there and the voice is as good as CDMA.

cool then att need to hurry their asses up, because gsm sucks to all hell...i don't care what anyone says i have used it and it blows!! i would never again choose anything gsm, CDMA or forget it!

ok think about that. UMTS and HSPDA are both WCDMA. So there goes your whole thing about LTE a progression of GSM.

I am not talking about UMTS, HSDPA (not PDA) or WCDMA, I am only referring to LTE being based on GSM, read one of the many links in my first post on it, or look it up yourself its all over the web.

I have GSM is based of TDMA. LTE is not based off either. Not even remotly lose It OFDM based. You read!

Its funny you say that when EVERY technology website I referenced in my 1st post (amongst many others onthe web) specifically mention how LTE is based off of GSM technology.

Some people still only believe what they want based on no proof. I only wanted to set the record straight on here, and I'm sure for most if not everyone else I certainly have.

did you read what I posted in my last one. It tells you its not based off GSM. Allot of webistes say it is based off that is what GSM is evolving to!

Verizon uses two vendors Both are CDMA based systems and are not compatible with LTE. All the equipment at the switches AND cell sites are CDMA. LTE will co exist with CURRENT GSM technology. Vodaphone is driving this bus for a reason. LTE seems to be able to use GSM towers and equipt in place.

LTE phones will be backwards compatible with GSM.Verizons LTE phones will not be backwards compatible. Making the GSM issue clearer.

"Verizon's next generation of devices will run on the GSM network that will be used by AT&T and T-Mobile, meaning that in a few years, customers with unlocked phones will be able to move between the three providers without purchasing new equipment. Verizon currently uses a CDMA network along with Sprint, but last ...
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LTE phones will not be backwards-compatible with the current GSM networks run by AT&T and T-Mobile

Because its not GSM. The confusion lies in that they think its GSM because GSM carriers are going to use it. Again read this great explanation of all things to include mimo technology that is going to be deployed in Japan.

forgot the link:
http://mobilesociety.typepad.com/mobile_life/2006/09 ... »

You can't get any clearer and more explained then that!

Yes you can...

As Electronista points out, "The move will ... make Verizon's network compatible with AT&T's planned 4G network, which should also use LTE for calls and data, and could render the US cellular market similar to that in Europe, where a single cellular standard lets users easily switch between providers without abandoning an existing phone or device."

"The news marks a serious setback for CDMA backers, as Verizon Wireless is one of the world's largest supporters of the technology," writes RCR Wireless News' Kelly Hill. "Indeed, the news puts Ultra Mobile Broadband - which is Rev. C on the CDMA network-upgrade path - into question, as no operator has yet publicly voiced intentions to move toward the technology."


WCDMA i...
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Your Thread titel says "Verizon IS moving to GSM" not "Verizon IS moving to something based on GSM"

Also, just because somethings on the web doesn't mean its true.

Thank you!!

Right... So if ATT was to announce deployment of EVDO one would be incorrect in saying ATT was moving to CDMA? that makes no sense

I was just pointing out that YOU said VZW is moving to GSM when the fact is VZW is moving to LTE.

GSM is moving to LTE also.

Correct, and I was just pointing out that LTE is based on GSM, I never said it would use TDMA, or that it wouldnt use OFDM

your a idiot to say that damn GSM is based of TDMA. Like LTE is based of OFDM. never mind!

Astronaut HS 88 said:
I was just pointing out that YOU said VZW is moving to GSM when the fact is VZW is moving to LTE.

GSM is moving to LTE also.

Lets just say Verizon is moving to a GSM-Like application of technology........How's that?

Why not just say Verizon is moving to LTE, which is fact instead of fluffing the GSM bed? LTE is not GSM.

Astronaut HS 88 said:
Why not just say Verizon is moving to LTE, which is fact instead of fluffing the GSM bed? LTE is not GSM.

Can't stand the thought can you. That's what this is really about, No one wants to admit Verizon is anything like GSM in any way.....

Well Surprise.....There are headlines all over the net being desperately refuted by Verizon fan-boys claiming the opposite. Sucks don't it?

I don't care if VZW uses tin cans and string. If it's a superior network and performs as expected, I don't care what type of network that is used.

I would hope AT&T and TMO would jump at a new technology to help their network quality.

Bring on SIM cards. I've always liked the idea as a sales rep.

Astronaut HS 88 said:
I don't care if VZW uses tin cans and string. If it's a superior network and performs as expected, I don't care what type of network that is used.

I would hope AT&T and TMO would jump at a new technology to help their network quality.

Bring on SIM cards. I've always liked the idea as a sales rep.

2 BILLION people are not having issues with the technology. Millions in the US are not having issues with the technology or network quality.

You are living in the past man.

But I can spell "technology". 🤣

Says the guy using TDMA-like technoolgy

Astronaut HS 88 said:
Says the guy using TDMA-like technoolgy

And enjoying every minute and feature it provides,,You guys are hung up on the technology. I am all about the APPLICATION and FLEXIBILITY.

OMG are you a child. EVDO is CDMA based. GSM is done at 2g. It is old tech that is why 3/4 of the world has it its been around for a long time. Its saying if att pick wimax they were moving to CDMA.

Astronaut HS 88 said:


Also, just because somethings on the web doesn't mean its true.

NO but when you read the SAME information on many sites devoted to such things you have to give it a lot more weight than someone insisting that is not true.

blogs and different interpretations of something not yet in existence are no substitute for factual data.

plus most of that is when it was first announced. If you read current info dated recently you will see it back away from the claim.

vzwccc said:
I don't know if this has been cleared up yet or not, but, LTE technically isn't GSM. LTE was designed to replace WCDMA. WCDMA was designed to replace GSM. LTE was also designed to take over CMDA as well.

I confirmed this by emailing one of the phonescoop guys (RICH) who wrote:

LTE has a few features that make it easier
to integrate with GSM and WCDMA networks, but they are still different
and mostly separate.

WCDMA and CDMA are very different.

WCDMA is designed to replace GSM, and LTE is designed to replace WCDMA.

However, since they are all quite different, LTE can replace CDMA as
well, as Verizon is doing.

Rich
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So, what I believe is that, VZW will be

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Same here. I imagine it will quickly monopolize in a lot of aspects. VZW would buy out ATT or vice versa. And then just continue down the list.

Flexibility? PRICING? Freedom? Please Please tell me what your talking about other then the love of your life the SIM card!

That little SIM card is huge in the big picture over on GSM. As are the clean phones and enjoying , FULL and Complete BT implementation on ALL phones that have BT.

Having ones phone show up as a Mass Storage Device via BT or USB is pretty nice when moving files.

Being able to send ALL files to another BT phones including those sent via E mail.

NO worries about big brother knowing or caring about your IMEI.No worries about buying a phone that may have been stolen as ATT does not Shut off IMEIs. You just have to be careful not to loose your phone or have it locked down. No need for big brother at al after initial sign up, You can go for years and a thousand phones and never have to call customer service to do so.

Customizable...
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everything you pointed out is not cared about by over 98% of cell users. GPS is not a big deal buy a GPS watch and then you don't have to carry a huge phone around if your that tech savvy for GPS. Most people don't know what GUI's are! Sprint and alltel and a few other CDMA carriers do have full functionality phones so their blows that as verizon is the only one.

I want big brother to car about my IMEI as it worthless to a thief if my CDMA phone is stolen. ATT doesn't care and lets thieves profit off their activities.

You are so stuck on verizon you are blind to the other 8 CDMA carriers as I pointed out to you and you still ignore them. The only thing ATT has on the others is sims card which I don't like and others don't so CDMA is...
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wombough said:
everything you pointed out is not cared about by over 98% of cell users. GPS is not a big deal buy a GPS watch and then you don't have to carry a huge phone around if your that tech savvy for GPS. Most people don't know what GUI's are! Sprint and alltel and a few other CDMA carriers do have full functionality phones so their blows that as verizon is the only one.

I want big brother to car about my IMEI as it worthless to a thief if my CDMA phone is stolen. ATT doesn't care and lets thieves profit off their activities.

You are so stuck on verizon you are blind to the other 8 CDMA carriers as I pointed out to you and you still ignore them. The only thing ATT has on the others is sims card which I don

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your still only saying verizon this verizon that. between all the CDMA carriers they double the subscribers that the GSM carriers have. So what about that? ANd you honestly think att does not know what phone you are using on THEIR network. I think they do. And coverage is pretty equal to all the top 3 carriers. Tmobile has the best CS but they are 4th in total subscribers. ATT had they not merged with att (lol that sounds funny) would maybe be the 3rd largest carrier. So its all how you look at it. But as I said most people that are tech savvy as you say use other better products for GPS and things like that.

most people that want a new high tech phone are jsut in if for hey look I got the newest greatest phone. Ask most what does it...
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wombough said:
your still only saying verizon this verizon that. between all the CDMA carriers they double the subscribers that the GSM carriers have. So what about that? ANd you honestly think att does not know what phone you are using on THEIR network. I think they do. And coverage is pretty equal to all the top 3 carriers. Tmobile has the best CS but they are 4th in total subscribers. ATT had they not merged with att (lol that sounds funny) would maybe be the 3rd largest carrier. So its all how you look at it. But as I said most people that are tech savvy as you say use other better products for GPS and things like that.

most people that want a new high tech phone are jsut in if for hey look I got the newest gr

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i didn't see this in there but i'm surprised no one posted this. if verizon had gsm, every phone would be a "global phone" as we call it (just like att does now). so i think that would be one of biggest things. as far as swapping phones out with a sim card, i really don't think people care. most people actually BUY the phones from us. not elsewhere. really, the phones aren't the main interest. going back to gsm: i wonder though, what is the percentage of people that actually roam all the damn time? i imagine changing verizon's whole network would cost a crapload, but in the end would it be worth it just for people to be able to roam (big time travelers already do anyway, they just have to pay a bit more for the "global Phone"), or with 4g, h...
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mokafoka said:
i didn't see this in there but i'm surprised no one posted this. if verizon had gsm, every phone would be a "global phone" as we call it (just like att does now). so i think that would be one of biggest things. as far as swapping phones out with a sim card, i really don't think people care. most people actually BUY the phones from us. not elsewhere. really, the phones aren't the main interest. going back to gsm: i wonder though, what is the percentage of people that actually roam all the damn time? i imagine changing verizon's whole network would cost a crapload, but in the end would it be worth it just for people to be able to roam (big time travelers already do anyway, they just have to pay a bit more for

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vzwccc said:
Same here. I imagine it will quickly monopolize in a lot of aspects. VZW would buy out ATT or vice versa. And then just continue down the list.

Nah Fed won't allow that under anti-trust.
Verizon or ATT would have a Monopoly.

What I mean is Verizon has successfully marketed reliable coverage, no drops etc. A like for like network and flexibility would prove to be a boon to Verizon. Which would probably be good for ATT customers as ATT will have to compete with price, like Sprint is doing. This can only drive down the cost of wireless services. Verizon earns so much from those areas ATT currently does not. They could take a financial hit.

After all for 99% of the population Coverage...
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Air Interface Technology: 2G networks such as GSM use Time Division Multiple Access (TDMA) on the air interface. 3G networks made a radical change and use Code Division Multiple Access. 4G standards will make another radical change and will use Orthogonal Frequency Division Multiplexing (OFDM). The new modulation itself will not automatically bring an increase in speed but very much simplifies the following two enhancements:

You must have missed that whole paragraph!

I read that. The paragraph is not refferring to GSM using Code Division Multiple Access, or LTE using it either. It does not change the fact that UMTS & LTE are BASED on GSM, upgraded (security, efficiency) of course!

GSM uses TDMA. LTE uses OFDM. CDMA uses code divion and WCDMA also. Damn this is not that hard.

Isn't LTE going to use SIM cards? I think that's what people are getting hung up on since it's a very visible feature.

I think it does, and I think you're right about the perception of SIM cards.

If it does, you guys will love it. I was around during the TDMA to GSM switch for Cingy, and it made programming phones much easier. Programming wasn't difficult before, but it became something that even a layman could do.

It would also be nice seeing the major carriers using the same technology, so phones can be bought anywhere instead of just from the service providers. All the networks can focus on service instead of devices.

I've worked for TMO and am well aware of the benefits of SIM cards. But it also makes handset theft easier.

Whatever. The issue with this post I have is the words used. They are not correct or factual.

Indeed it does make theft easier, but that's the service providers fault as well. The IMEIs are logged with every call that's made. If the carrier wanted to prevent it, they could.

I'm not even getting into the context of this post. It's all about what may or may not be, and frankly I don't care that much anymore. If it's a big pissing contest them GSM changed to CDMA first with WCDMA anyway, so whoopidee doo if everyone uses LTE or not.

The latter part of your statement doesn't make any sense. GSM changed to CDMA with WCDMA. CDMA and WCDMA are two different things. GSM carriers switched to WCDMA which is a 3g system while cdma is a 2G.

Taken from glossary,
"WCDMA borrows certain technology ideas from CDMA, as the name implies, but is in fact very different and incompatible with phones and networks using "CDMA" technology."

CDMA and WCDMA services are not compatible with eachother.

Astronaut HS 88 said:
I've worked for TMO and am well aware of the benefits of SIM cards. But it also makes handset theft easier.

Whatever. The issue with this post I have is the words used. They are not correct or factual.

Yeah BUT I can call ATT with the IMEI and render the phone useless to a thief.

I don't know but WCDMA does. People are hung up because GSM carriers are going to it and they think its based off it. But GSSM just recently adopted it so that means GSM did not make it they are jsut embracing it. And with Qualcom making chips for it CDMA phones will be backwards compatible. They said that recently.

wombough said:
I don't know but WCDMA does. People are hung up because GSM carriers are going to it and they think its based off it. But GSSM just recently adopted it so that means GSM did not make it they are jsut embracing it. And with Qualcom making chips for it CDMA phones will be backwards compatible. They said that recently.

Qualcomm has no choice. They put all their eggs in the Verizon basket. ANY GSM phone in USE today will work on the LTE network.

Qualcomm has not even started making those "chips" yet thus NO CDMA phone made today will be compatible.

There is no such thing as a LTE chip its not made yet!!!

wombough said:
There is no such thing as a LTE chip its not made yet!!!

What part of the tecnology will be DESIGNED to be backward compatible with CURRENT GSM phones don't you understand?

AvgJoe said:

wombough said:
There is no such thing as a LTE chip its not made yet!!!

What part of the tecnology will be DESIGNED to be backward compatible with CURRENT GSM phones don't you understand?

AvgJoe: were does anything say that gsm will be forward compatilble with lte without new chips in phone.

mitchell1 said:

AvgJoe said:

wombough said:
There is no such thing as a LTE chip its not made yet!!!

What part of the tecnology will be DESIGNED to be backward compatible with CURRENT GSM phones don't you understand?

AvgJoe: were does anything say that gsm will be forward compatilble with lte without new chips in phone.

MAn read the links already posted, I have already done the research,

www.motorola.com/mot/doc/6/6833_MotDoc.pdf


"The Downside for Verizon of picking LTE

It's been THE news of the week for the wireless industry that Verizon has selected to go for LTE as their next generation network rather than UMB, the successo...
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Today Qualcomm said that multiple network operators have committed to trialling its HSPA+ network technology this year. HSPA+ is an upgrade to HSPA that increases wireless data downlink speeds to 28 Mbps. The network operators are Hutchison 3G, Telecom Italia, Telefonica and Telstra. Qualcomm also announced that is has several new LTE base stations and chipsets that are backward compatible with today's technology. There are three versions of the new chips. The MDM9200 is for typical GSM carriers such as AT&T or Vodafone and supports UMTS, HSPA+ and LTE. The MDM9600 supports UMTS, HSPA+, EV-DO Rev. B, UMB and LTE, making it a multi-technology world chip for global phones. The MDM9800 supports EV-DO Rev. B, UMB and LTE and is likely being made...
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ralph_on_me said:
Isn't LTE going to use SIM cards? I think that's what people are getting hung up on since it's a very visible feature.

Uh not to mention My N82 will work on the LTE network and NO Verizon phone made today will not.

Sounds to me its very GSM-like in application if not technology..and application is all that really matters to those of us applying the technology/

you N82 will. That is funny the technolgy for LTE is not even made yet.

wombough said:
you N82 will. That is funny the technolgy for LTE is not even made yet.

But it WILL be designed with backwards compatible with GSM phones. Vodaphone would not have it any other way. BAckwards meaning ALL GSM phones. I have showed you numerous quotes from various sites stating that.

considering it's not in existence yet, I wouldn't bet my life on your statement.

Astronaut HS 88 said:
considering it's not in existence yet, I wouldn't bet my life on your statement.

I would becasue its being designed to do such. It would be absolutly dumb to dis include 2 BILLION customers with phones in the middle of contracts to tell them they need a suddenly new phone. Because of the technology its far easier to make it backwards compatible with GSM phones than CDMA phones for obvious reasons.

Its an easy task for GSM phone makers, They do it already making all phones compatible with all carriers and networks. IM not sure they care about 400 Million CDMA customers. Thats Verizon's problem to deal with.

Like I said, until it exists, I wouldn't bet on it. And if it is, hey, great, more people for me to port over to VZW!!!

Astronaut HS 88 said:
Like I said, until it exists, I wouldn't bet on it. And if it is, hey, great, more people for me to port over to VZW!!!

But if they are all using the Same network why would thye want to port to a company that has a history of taking features away.

The whole Verizon advertisiing is NETWORK NETWORK,,not phones, not pricing, If the networks are one and the same.....where's the incentive?

The color Red?

tell that to al the Sprint ports I do.

VZW, at&t, Sprint and others sell airtime. Handsets are only the tools to use that airtime (network)

And bunches of folks LOVE red.

Astronaut HS 88 said:
tell that to al the Sprint ports I do.

VZW, at&t, Sprint and others sell airtime. Handsets are only the tools to use that airtime (network)

And bunches of folks LOVE red.

400 million like Verizon's technology.......2 BILLION prefer TDMA...go figure...

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FGI/is_11_18 ... »

Another advantage is this: because LTE will be deployed in ITU recognized frequency bands, LTE will eventually have global roaming capabilities similar to current GSM/3G networks. And because the LTE handsets will be backward compatible with GSM and 3G, even at early stages of LTE deployment LTE subscribers will be able to roam throughout Asia.

LTE WILL indeed be backwards compatible with the current GSM line up of phones. THATS why every googled site calls LTE and extension of GSM or WCDMA.....Verizon's phones will not be compatible at all. Thats why Vodaphone is backing this technology. It's good fro Europe and puts Verizon on the same footing with GSM "typ...
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AvgJoe said:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FGI/is_11_18 ... »

Another advantage is this: because LTE will be deployed in ITU recognized frequency bands, LTE will eventually have global roaming capabilities similar to current GSM/3G networks. And because the LTE handsets will be backward compatible with GSM and 3G, even at early stages of LTE deployment LTE subscribers will be able to roam throughout Asia.

LTE WILL indeed be backwards compatible with the current GSM line up of phones. THATS why every googled site calls LTE and extension of GSM or WCDMA.....Verizon's phones will not be compatible at all. Thats why Vodaphone is backing this technology. It's good fro Europe and puts Verizon

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But once again, your post was titled "Verizon IS moving to GSM" now you're trying to back away from that?

No, just that LTE is based on GSM...

EVDO rev c is based on CDMA...

its pretty simple language actually, just speaking about different technologies

LTE is not based on GSM. Damn GSM is old based off TDMA. They patched TDMA so it woul dbe a little better. But that it it can't do anything but voice - edge data. That is the end of GSM. Next is WCDMA takes chartristics from both but more so of CDMA and then LTE based of neither.

So your saying LTE isnt GSM based, yet you have no proof... AND:

From Engadget:

Verizon dumps CDMA for GSM-based LTE in 4G networks

From Informationweek:

NXP Modem Includes All GSM Standards From Edge To LTE -- GSM Modem ...

From news.speeple.com:

Verizon going 4G LTE (GSM) starting in 2008 and what it means for you

From tech.blorge.com:

Verizon going 4G LTE (GSM) starting in 2008

From www.ittoolbox.com:

Verizon Wireless has chosen LTE (GSM) as its 4G standard

From telephonyonline.com:

LTE, alternately defined as 3.9G or 4G technology, is the latest iteration of the global cellular path beginning with GSM

From www.wireless-weblog.com:

The Wireless Weblog: Verizon Wireless Wants LTE, Will Switch to G...
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some of those sites are trash blogs. You can find almost anything on the internet to support any POV.

Astronaut HS 88 said:
some of those sites are trash blogs. You can find almost anything on the internet to support any POV.

But they are not blogs. Many are tech sites the bloggers are quoting from. The funny thing about it is no matter which site you read they all say the same in different words from different sources. There are no arguments on those sites as to what is what, They all claim the same.

maybe you ought to look up what a blog is then.

Heres a blog for you...LOL

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/29/verizons-re ... »

dex1980 said:
So your saying LTE isnt GSM based, yet you have no proof... AND:

From Engadget:

Verizon dumps CDMA for GSM-based LTE in 4G networks

From Informationweek:

NXP Modem Includes All GSM Standards From Edge To LTE -- GSM Modem ...

From news.speeple.com:

Verizon going 4G LTE (GSM) starting in 2008 and what it means for you

From tech.blorge.com:

Verizon going 4G LTE (GSM) starting in 2008

From www.ittoolbox.com:

Verizon Wireless has chosen LTE (GSM) as its 4G standard

From telephonyonline.com:

LTE, alternately defined as 3.9G or 4G technology, is the latest iteration of the global cellular path beginning with GSM

From www.wireless-weblog.com:

The Wireless Weblog: Verizon Wi

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dex1980 said:
So your saying LTE isnt GSM based, yet you have no proof... AND:

From Engadget:

Verizon dumps CDMA for GSM-based LTE in 4G networks

From Informationweek:

NXP Modem Includes All GSM Standards From Edge To LTE -- GSM Modem ...

From news.speeple.com:

Verizon going 4G LTE (GSM) starting in 2008 and what it means for you

From tech.blorge.com:

Verizon going 4G LTE (GSM) starting in 2008

From www.ittoolbox.com:

Verizon Wireless has chosen LTE (GSM) as its 4G standard

From telephonyonline.com:

LTE, alternately defined as 3.9G or 4G technology, is the latest iteration of the global cellular path beginning with GSM

From www.wireless-weblog.com:

The Wireless Weblog: Verizon Wi

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dex1980 said:
its pretty simple language actually, just speaking about different technologies

Yes, it is simple language that you are misusing.

wombough said:
Air Interface Technology: 2G networks such as GSM use Time Division Multiple Access (TDMA) on the air interface. 3G networks made a radical change and use Code Division Multiple Access. 4G standards will make another radical change and will use Orthogonal Frequency Division Multiplexing (OFDM). The new modulation itself will not automatically bring an increase in speed but very much simplifies the following two enhancements:

You must have missed that whole paragraph!

Wom... don't bother. The guy obviously can't understand the simplest technical issues if he can't get that GSM is very old tech and TDMA-based, while LTE is very new tech and OFDM-based. And he probably doesn't even want to u...
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good point lol. but I am bored just waiting to leave the states. lol But this is getting to be old!

I am not disputing the facts that GSM is soo old TDMA based or that LTE will use OFDM... only that the technolgy has progressed from a basis standpoint from GSM to UMTS to LTE, all the websites I listed back that point up.

I am not AvgJoe, i made this profile today as I wanted to commentonthis issue.

WCDMA takes some aspects of GSM but more from CDMA. But its differant from both. LTE takes nothing from either.

Come on admit it....

It will make Verizon more ATT like.....SIM cards?
Complete phone flexibility! (Well Verizon may inhibit that some way)

CDMA has barely reached it's limit on where it could go yet its being abandoned.......Why is that?

I can understand why GSM would do so since its dead ended.....But why should CDMA abandon UMB???

SIM cards do not make GSM GSM. It's just part of the whole.

Yes GSM uses SIM cards. Yes, LTE may use SIM cards. But they are not the same thing.

WCDMA uses sim cards too.

ok. That just solidifies the point.

Astronaut HS 88 said:
ok. That just solidifies the point.

But VERIZON doesn't and will have to. Thus becomeing more GSM like and allowing their customer to use ANY phone they choose and any GUI they choose. Thats a good thing. You guys should be jumping for joy!!!

GSM and GSM-like are not the same thing.

ANd I'm welcome to anything that improves my opportunity to increase my income.

A Chevy Suburban is Escalade-like, but not an Escalade.

Astronaut HS 88 said:
A Chevy Suburban is Escalade-like, but not an Escalade.

Reaching are we????

Thats's quite the stretch...and which is the Escalade? For me its GMS for you its Verizon....Guess it depends on where you want to go. My Nokia is the Escalade of phones. For others their Voyager is.

GSM doesn't NEED to use a SIM. they choose to. you COULD CHOOSE to put a SIM card on any device of any technology. AT&T does it to make it easier to change phones out. but the company doesn't know what kind of phone your using, so helping with any tech support is hard, espically for the retards who don't know their model number, or guess wrong. VZW just programs the ESN number into the system, and you match the MTN/MIN/SID info into your phone and thats the authentication process.

hey joe, how old are you and what area do you live? just curious. no homo.

hoonder sneets said:
GSM doesn't NEED to use a SIM. they choose to. you COULD CHOOSE to put a SIM card on any device of any technology. AT&T does it to make it easier to change phones out. but the company doesn't know what kind of phone your using, so helping with any tech support is hard, espically for the retards who don't know their model number, or guess wrong. VZW just programs the ESN number into the system, and you match the MTN/MIN/SID info into your phone and thats the authentication process.

hey joe, how old are you and what area do you live? just curious. no homo.

ALL BS.

ATT knows what phones their customers are using. EVEN when they switch SIM cards!!! It has always been pictured right...
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my bad, my friend who worked for at&t but doesn't any more said that when people switch around they dont know what it is due to its not ESN based, its SIM based. must have changed it. i don't know, i work for AT&T so i wouldn't know first hand.

I was surprised to see the phones pictured according to our numbers as I thought the same. But they do know Somehow. They know I have an N82 but cannot obviously answer any questions about iot sine they don't carry the phone.

One of the things I really like about ATT is whenI call them to add a service or for any reason they don't try to upgrade me even though I am not on contract. NO pushy sales people. Customer service is a lot better then when it was Cingular for some reason.

Because LTE uses data to transmit both voice and data which makes it allot cheaper to use!! Just like wimax

LTE takes from UMTS, which also takes from GSM if you want to go that way

dex1980 said:
LTE takes from UMTS, which also takes from GSM if you want to go that way

but can you show were gsm will be forward compatible with lte without new lte chips.

he can't cuz they are not without LTE chips in the phone. And UMTS is WCDMA which takes more from CDMA if you want to go that way!

dex1980 said:
I am not AvgJoe, i made this profile today as I wanted to commentonthis issue.

Whatever you say, AvgJoe. 🤣

Channel Bandwidth: 2G systems such as GSM use a channel bandwidth of 0.2 MHz. UMTS made a great leap forward and uses 5 MHz. 4G systems will use a bandwidth of up to 20 MHz, i.e. the channel offers four times more bandwidth than channels of current systems. As 20 MHz channels might not be available everywhere, most 4G systems will be scalable, for example in steps of 1.25 MHz. It can therefore be expected that 4G channel sizes will range from 5 to 20 MHz.

Or that one!

so what frequency penetrates buildings better? i know vzw coverage is hit or miss depending on the material, and distance from tower, etc.

hoonder sneets said:
so what frequency penetrates buildings better? i know vzw coverage is hit or miss depending on the material, and distance from tower, etc.

LOWER frequencies. In Atlantic City my brother's Verizon phone did not work inside the Casinos. I had no issue with mine. AC may be on the 850 band.

I have always believed GSM has better building penetration. I have used it on Subways with no problems. (Maybe they have underground antennas though).

I guess I'll believe that LTE is GSM when your current GSM handset works like a champ on an LTE network.

Exactly. It's been the same thing these four years I've been using Phonescoop - a large number of the people on this site spend a good part of their day in a territorial fight over something they really only have a basic understanding of. I give them credit for passion, but not much else.

Verizon Wireless got together with it's two parent companies to make an economically sound decision that would benefit all the companies involved.

LTE is a more efficient technology that will provide faster speeds and more capacity. This means that Verizon can transform an already strong network into a more powerful network, allowing for larger capacities in the future, getting its feet out of the Qualcomm debacle, streamlining costs with it's part...
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epik said:
Exactly. It's been the same thing these four years I've been using Phonescoop - a large number of the people on this site spend a good part of their day in a territorial fight over something they really only have a basic understanding of. I give them credit for passion, but not much else.

Verizon Wireless got together with it's two parent companies to make an economically sound decision that would benefit all the companies involved.

LTE is a more efficient technology that will provide faster speeds and more capacity. This means that Verizon can transform an already strong network into a more powerful network, allowing for larger capacities in the future, getting its feet out of the Qualcomm debacle, st

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AtTheMet said:

epik said:
Exactly. It's been the same thing these four years I've been using Phonescoop - a large number of the people on this site spend a good part of their day in a territorial fight over something they really only have a basic understanding of. I give them credit for passion, but not much else.

Verizon Wireless got together with it's two parent companies to make an economically sound decision that would benefit all the companies involved.

LTE is a more efficient technology that will provide faster speeds and more capacity. This means that Verizon can transform an already strong network into a more powerful network, allowing for larger capacities in the future, getting its f

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My main response to this is, who cares?

LTE is still far enough off that none of us here in the outer-circle can predict what will happen. Maybe Verizon Wireless will produce dual-mode phones in transition, maybe they'll have duplication on the network end. Who knows? LTE is just now going into testing (with VZW) in 2008.

Keep in mind that LTE also has roots in the WCDMA/UMTS standards. However, the biggest reason why LTE may not be quite so compatible with GSM is because of the bandwidth standards. Generally, GSM uses 5MHz of spectrum to carry each channel of packet transitions, while legacy and current CDMA systems often use 1.25MHz channels, which is the preferred specs for LTE. While a chunk of the data systems need to be ch...
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Yeah, I get that. I still don't care too much about the territorial technology war.

A while back I went to college for electronic engineering. There was a common belief that radios would always be maxed out at 9.6kbps transmissions. Almost 15 years later, LTE is poised to transmit at speeds ranging from about 85Mbps to 326Mbps (in stacked arrays).

Who cares that Verizon Wireless is a CDMA company. Industry-wide, all the companies have the potential to deliver amazing technology to millions of people. Why wouldn't any company, Verizon included, want to get on that gravy train? It makes absolute sense to move to LTE, unlike the fierce (and often irrational) passion for one technology over another.

As I said, I applaud their en...
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VZW move to go to LTE is driven mainly by the move of their part parent company Vodafone. If both carriers use the same technology, they will be able to force cell phone manufacturers to provide better discounts and come up with more exclusive models. This would be due to the sheer number of subscribers that Vodafone and VZW has worldwide. They can combine forces and the manufacturers will be lining up to have their products offered.

LTE may be a form of GSM but it is a 4g technology which I think will allow for better data applications in the future. I get tired of reading abt gsm vs cdma because it really doesn't matter if the network is serviced properly. So let's stop the pissing match and watch what VZW does with this new servic...
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Yes, let's watch and see... my point exactly.

And your example of one of the many reasons why Verizon is looking at LTE is correct. There are many more reasons for this gradual move, and few on here seem to bother to recognize them. Thank you for your post.

I wasn't criticizing your point of view I actually just replied at the wrong spot because I completely agree with what you have stated throughout this thread 😁