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The world standard cellphone service is GSM. Most GSM phones will work in any "non-poor" counrty. There are only two large carriers that offer GSM service in the US. They are T-Mobile and Cingular. Verizon and Sprint use a CDMA or ditigal network, and Nextel uses a TDMA network with built-in iDEN technology.
There are 4 primary "bands" used in the world, and we use 2 of them in the US. We use PCS band (1900MHz) and cellular band (800MHz). PCS band allows for excellent sound clarity/quality and Cellular band allows for wall penetration and long range calling (overall better reception). Of the 2 GSM carriers, T-Mobile uses PCS frequency only, and Cingular uses both PCS and Cellular frequencies.
Of the CDMA carriers, Verizon uses both P...
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There are 4 primary "bands" used in the world, and we use 2 of them in the US. We use PCS band (1900MHz) and cellular band (800MHz). PCS band allows for excellent sound clarity/quality and Cellular band allows for wall penetration and long range calling (overall better reception). Of the 2 GSM carriers, T-Mobile uses PCS frequency only, and Cingular uses both PCS and Cellular frequencies.
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The world standard cellphone service is GSM. Most GSM phones will work in any "non-poor" counrty. There are only two large carriers that offer GSM service in the US. They are T-Mobile and Cingular. Verizon and Sprint use a CDMA or ditigal network, and Nextel uses a TDMA network with built-in iDEN technology.
There are 4 primary "bands" used in the world, and we use 2 of them in the US. We use PCS band (1900MHz) and cellular band (800MHz). PCS band allows for excellent sound clarity/quality and Cellular band allows for wall penetration and long range calling (overall better reception). Of the 2 GSM carriers, T-Mobile uses PCS frequency only, and Cingular uses both PCS and Cellular frequencies.
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Why did the FCC deny VZW the spectrum necessary for 3G then turn around and give it to Nextel?
The world may never know...
The world may never know...
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speck said:? I'm not sure I fully understand this statement.
Why did the FCC deny VZW the spectrum necessary for 3G then turn around and give it to Nextel?
The world may never know...
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This was all happening during the Cingular/ATTWS merger... VZW had been trying to purchase spectrum for 3G, FCC told them it would interfere with other frequencies, Nextel asks for the same spectrum, FCC tells them yes, VZW threatens to take it to court, FCC passes through senate a bill basically proposing that FCC approval's cannot be questioned. FCC == Too powerful for anybody's good.
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speck said:That's what didn't make any sense to me. It wasn't that the new spectrum would cause interference, it's that Verizon didn't want Nextel to become CDMA competition. Backhanded politics.
This was all happening during the Cingular/ATTWS merger... VZW had been trying to purchase spectrum for 3G, FCC told them it would interfere with other frequencies, Nextel asks for the same spectrum, FCC tells them yes, VZW threatens to take it to court, FCC passes through senate a bill basically proposing that FCC approval's cannot be questioned. FCC == Too powerful for anybody's good.
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Perhaps then Verizon should have swapped (18 mhz of prime 800meg property) spectrum with Nextel so that they could have in turn relinquished it to the FCC for public safety re-banding and then Verizon could have offered 3 Billion (wait a second, they're not leveraged too)in order to re-locate and re-band the public safety sector and then perhaps the G-block of PCS spectrum could have been theirs.... COME ON GUYS! Nextel parlayed 3 billion into a 35 billion sale to Sprint... SMART BUSINESS... Good job Donahue! With a contiguous block of PCS bandwidth the new company will accell in multimedia and data services... FACT.
Besides, if Verizon pulled their head out of their arse for a minute they would have seen it coming.... SO WHAT if they had...
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Besides, if Verizon pulled their head out of their arse for a minute they would have seen it coming.... SO WHAT if they had...
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I never said it was not smart business on Nextel's part... I was mostly commenting on how the FCC strong armed VZW.
I never said it was not smart business on Nextel's part... I was mostly commenting on how the FCC strong armed VZW.
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It was obvious that public safety is first concern over which carriers the most bandwith.
Nextel had to relinquish its band due to interference with emergency communications the FCC simply made accomodations for the company for an equal ehanced exchange at the company's cost.
Don't worry it is expected the FCC will be selling more licenses for carriers late 2005 as the military is leaving the 2000 MHz open and finaly moving it all together to the 5000 MHz and above.
Nextel had to relinquish its band due to interference with emergency communications the FCC simply made accomodations for the company for an equal ehanced exchange at the company's cost.
Don't worry it is expected the FCC will be selling more licenses for carriers late 2005 as the military is leaving the 2000 MHz open and finaly moving it all together to the 5000 MHz and above.
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speck said:They may have...and they dropped the ball if they did.
Errm... But VZW wanted that spectrum before Nextel expressed interest in it.
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canddmeyer said:...CinRep said:
The world standard cellphone service is GSM. Most GSM phones will work in any "non-poor" counrty. There are only two large carriers that offer GSM service in the US. They are T-Mobile and Cingular. Verizon and Sprint use a CDMA or ditigal network, and Nextel uses a TDMA network with built-in iDEN technology.
There are 4 primary "bands" used in the world, and we use 2 of them in the US. We use PCS band (1900MHz) and cellular band (800MHz). PCS band allows for excellent sound clarity/quality and Cellular band allows for wall penetration and long range calling (overall better reception). Of the 2 GSM carriers, T-Mobile uses PCS frequency only, and Cingular uses both PCS a
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I never looked at the International part of any of this, I was just going on what we have available in the US. But now I am intrigued about some of this international stuff. Is it true that vodafone is the largest wirless carrier in the world? Does it have any affiliation with any American companies? I never much looked into the International spectrum at all, but I did already know that T-Mobile was origionally a German company, intruducing GSM to this country back in 2001.
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Yes I beleive Vodafone is the largest carrier in the world and they own 45% of Verizon Wireless. It would be my prediction that in the future at some point VZW and Vodafone will put together some international packages that only T-Mobile wold be able to copete with at least the way things are right now. Currently VZW offers a handset that will work CDMA here and GSM around the world. The pricing is a little steep, but I feel that it willcome down.
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Yes I beleive Vodafone is the largest carrier in the world and they own 45% of Verizon Wireless. It would be my prediction that in the future at some point VZW and Vodafone will put together some international packages that only T-Mobile wold be able to copete with at least the way things are right now. Currently VZW offers a handset that will work CDMA here and GSM around the world. The pricing is a little steep, but I feel that it willcome down.
The only problem with the phone itself is that is has no AMPS (only for use with digital coverage), and only 900/1800mhz for international use that requires activation of a vodafone sim card. So, absolutely no GSM roaming in the US, as it's desi...
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bizkitsngravy said:
The only problem with the phone itself is that is has no AMPS (only for use with digital coverage), and only ...
Actually AMPS is for analog... (which it doesn't have as it's dual digital). But your message is correct, and we see your point with the no U.S. GSM roaming...
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I did not know the FCC denied Verizon GSM (basically). I think Verizon has awsome coverage, but they just need GSM, then Cingular would have some competition, Sprint-Nextel and Verizon competing against each other should help bring the price of CDMA minutes down some though.
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You mean to say we don't already? cingular has PLENTY of competition...from Verizon. 😛
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I just mean that GSM is the world standard for a reason, which right away puts Verizon in a different class. Right now, T-Mobile and Dobson are Cingular's biggest competition.
I know how it is, im from Canada and used to have a CDMA phone myself, but switched to GSM when my Nokia CDMA phone was stolen. I can say that CDMA easily has the best coverage, but GSM just seems more convienient or something, I dont know now to explain it... but once again, GSM is the world standard for a reason.
I know how it is, im from Canada and used to have a CDMA phone myself, but switched to GSM when my Nokia CDMA phone was stolen. I can say that CDMA easily has the best coverage, but GSM just seems more convienient or something, I dont know now to explain it... but once again, GSM is the world standard for a reason.
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GSM is the world standard because the European Union decided to use GSM. Just because they chose it, doesn't mean its the best. I have a phone to make calls with. Who f-in cares about everything else.
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No, but it looks like a lot of the world is following. I personally think GSM blows. I was just saying that just because Europe uses it doesn't mean it's the best.
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"Cingular would have then some competition?" You're kidding, right? Verizon is adding customers far faster than Cingular/ATTW is. It also has a far lower churn rate, and consistently does better in customer surveys.
Considering that Verizon is whupping on Cingular in many areas, I think the real question is "what does Cingular have to do to become better competition for Verizon?".
Hopefully they have a good answer to it- increased competition drives rates down for consumers like me 🙂
Considering that Verizon is whupping on Cingular in many areas, I think the real question is "what does Cingular have to do to become better competition for Verizon?".
Hopefully they have a good answer to it- increased competition drives rates down for consumers like me 🙂
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Cingular has way more competition than you know. First off GSM is in the rear view mirror of every major carrier in the world. They are looking either at CDMA or W-CDMA. Since Verizon's network runs circles around Cingular's why would they downgrade to GSM? Kind of like upgrading to a 80486 DX 66 computer, don't you think?
Verizon, Sprint Nextel and T-Mobile each add way more customers than Cingular each quarter. All win JD Power And Associates awards in some region of the country. Cingular doesn't.
Not to really knock Cingular, but what do they honestly offer that T-Mobile doesn't?
I think the question to really ask is how Cingular is going to continue to grow now that there are no more big carriers for SBC and Bell South to buy? They c...
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Verizon, Sprint Nextel and T-Mobile each add way more customers than Cingular each quarter. All win JD Power And Associates awards in some region of the country. Cingular doesn't.
Not to really knock Cingular, but what do they honestly offer that T-Mobile doesn't?
I think the question to really ask is how Cingular is going to continue to grow now that there are no more big carriers for SBC and Bell South to buy? They c...
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JD Power & Associates awards are National awards... They don't go by "VZW has the best coverage in this state." It's an overall award for a Company's accomplishments... So no... Not every carrier has won a JD Power & Associates award as you stated...
Cingular offers a larger network and a larger selection of handsets. As well as a mobile to mobile calling area that includes 46 million customers... A footprint in 50 states, coverage in 97 of the top 100 markets, service in puerto rico and US virgin islands. Cingular also offers newer technology at a faster rate.
You discredit Cingular... They have steadily remained in the #2 spot... If all other carriers have (excluding VZW) have been doing so much better than Cingular, how did Cingular...
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Cingular offers a larger network and a larger selection of handsets. As well as a mobile to mobile calling area that includes 46 million customers... A footprint in 50 states, coverage in 97 of the top 100 markets, service in puerto rico and US virgin islands. Cingular also offers newer technology at a faster rate.
You discredit Cingular... They have steadily remained in the #2 spot... If all other carriers have (excluding VZW) have been doing so much better than Cingular, how did Cingular...
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Of course Cingular will remain competitive, they are a well managed organization. But the fact remains that they have been soundly beaten in net adds by Verizon, Sprint and T-Mobile over the past year. Cingular needed to buy ATTWS in order to pass Verizon in total subs.
As for newer technology, they replaced a 1989 vintage digital network with one that has its roots in 1991. EVDO is about the equivalent of HSPDA and is there two full years ahead of HSPDA.
GSM is not new technology it is a mature technology and cannot be upgraded much more.
As for newer technology, they replaced a 1989 vintage digital network with one that has its roots in 1991. EVDO is about the equivalent of HSPDA and is there two full years ahead of HSPDA.
GSM is not new technology it is a mature technology and cannot be upgraded much more.
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Once again EVDO is NOT the equivalent of HSDPA. HSDPA has recorded speeds of up to 14.4 mbps, that is not bursts, but a stable speed. EVDO averages speeds of up to somewhere around 2 or 3 mbps. How does a differce of 7x faster make EVDO and HSDPA the equivalents of each other? Another thing is that HSDPA will be rolled out alongside EVDO. Its no way near 2 years away from appearing in the U.S.
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They may very well have a lower net adds... But let's face it... It's the profit Margin that truly matters... And on that factor Cingular has exceeded all other carriers (exluding VZW)
As far as WCDMA... Why do you refuse to read up on the technology before making ridiculous comments like this? It's really getting tiring you have no clue what you're talking about surrounding WCDMA but ignore everything that's told to you about it.
Secondly, what are you talking about two full years ahead? VZW has a head start w/ EVDO but Cingular will be launching WCDMA to compete with EVDO... So seriously... What the crap?
As far as WCDMA... Why do you refuse to read up on the technology before making ridiculous comments like this? It's really getting tiring you have no clue what you're talking about surrounding WCDMA but ignore everything that's told to you about it.
Secondly, what are you talking about two full years ahead? VZW has a head start w/ EVDO but Cingular will be launching WCDMA to compete with EVDO... So seriously... What the crap?
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Are you kidding me?
Verizon has led in operating cash flow, and just about completely decimates every other carrier in average cost per subscriber. Verizon is at around $27, and most others are over $35!
Gross subscribers (the only leading number that Cingular can claim) is a pretty poor performance indicator, net-adds, operating cash flow, cost per subscriber and churn are much more important indicators when considered alongside non-statistical data such as overall satisfaction ratings as provided by large companies such as JD Powers and Consumer Reports where Verizon consistently performs well.
If you want proof that a large, stagnant subscriber base is worse off than a rapidly expanding small subscriber base, just look at T-Mo...
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Verizon has led in operating cash flow, and just about completely decimates every other carrier in average cost per subscriber. Verizon is at around $27, and most others are over $35!
Gross subscribers (the only leading number that Cingular can claim) is a pretty poor performance indicator, net-adds, operating cash flow, cost per subscriber and churn are much more important indicators when considered alongside non-statistical data such as overall satisfaction ratings as provided by large companies such as JD Powers and Consumer Reports where Verizon consistently performs well.
If you want proof that a large, stagnant subscriber base is worse off than a rapidly expanding small subscriber base, just look at T-Mo...
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speck said:
... let's face it... It's the profit Margin that truly matters... And on that factor Cingular has exceeded all other carriers (exluding VZW)
You seemed to have missed that...
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Exclude is the opposite of include... Meaning NOT including VZW...
I realized that it may have been the word you didn't know.
I realized that it may have been the word you didn't know.
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Or you can get a Quadband phone from Verizon and have the best service in the U.S. and still get all the international roaming you can handle. VZW chose CDMA because it is the better technology, just that simple.
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That's a matter of opinion. But I shan't start a CDMA(my penis) vs. GSM(your penis) debate. 🙄
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JessiCSR said:
That's a matter of opinion. But I shan't start a CDMA(my penis) vs. GSM(your penis) debate. 🙄
Dang Jessi... why do you have to make so much sense n' stuff? 🙂
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The statement you make is a fallacy. Just because rest of the world uses GSM doesn't mean it's the best technology. If I was to start up a wireless company should I just automatically accept GSM because it's used in most other countries? Or should I do some research and find a better technology? Besides, most countries in Europe didn't have a choice in what tech to use.
Here is some non-biased information about the different techs that has been posted in phonescoop multiple times. If you or anyone still can't understand why CODE division multiple access is better than TIME division multiple access or the deritive of, GSM, then i'm sorry, it's quite obvious.
Here is some non-biased information about the different techs that has been posted in phonescoop multiple times. If you or anyone still can't understand why CODE division multiple access is better than TIME division multiple access or the deritive of, GSM, then i'm sorry, it's quite obvious.
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