Well we already know ATT is going to bet that, but regardless of that verizon didn't do as well.

We do? My crystal ball is broken so thanks for looking in yours!!!! I dont think they will. Did IPHONE come out in 2nd quarter? I don't think it did.

June 29th...2 days before the end of 2nd quarter...

oh well then att will win hands down!! No I still think it will be close. But I do agree if verizon doesn't change phone selection, prices, and data issues they will start going down hill and fast!

I dont know about going down hill fast. They have the best network, and pretty solid phone selection and excellent customer service...

Att's phone selection isnt that great, the iphone and the BB curve are the only real notable phones in my opinion.

Verizon's phone selection really isnt that bad, and we might get the new Razr before att!

Now data prices? those plans need some work...thats for sure.

Chris

I can't say and no one can say for sure they have the best network. Good yes but so is sprints. And so is alltel. Which if I am right is the only one that backs up their claim with a credit automatically if you have a drooped call. A network is a network and its how much money you put into it. And both sprint and verizon dump allot of money with sprint I believe leading that area. They use about the same equipment and same technology! saying they have the best network just because they say they do is like saying ATT has the fewest drooped calls because they say they do and we all know thats BS!

Hmmm. They do all use the technology. But if Verizon maintain's there's better and has better placed towers, wouldn't that make the network better? Have you used all of those carriers?

Sprint's network is a joke in comparison.

I think Alltel's network is probably better than Verizon's. I don't know why Alltel isn't quite a bit bigger than it is. Maybe it's because they charge roaming...?

They don't serve the most populous areas in the USA

People in the outback need phones too.

and how many people are we talking here? many times fewer than the populations of the cities on the coasts I bet

Define joke. back up what you say. Please I would love to see it?

Sprint is the only one that built their entire network! Verizon can't say that. So being said that half of verizon's netowrk was inhertied by purchases! I guess everyone they bought had a perfect netowrk too!

anyway verizon customers are then only one that will defend and say they have the best everything. I will giver verizon this. They have the best advertising because not only do they have everyone believeing that got everyone defending them like they own the damn company!

I AM NOT a Verizon Fanboy. Like you, the People in this forum who act like they have a stake in the company annoy me. I will jump ship as soon as something that fits my needs better comes along. I have absolutely NO feelings of loyalty to Verizon.

That being said, there can be no serious comparison between Sprint and Verizon’s network. I can speak with first hand knowledge of the VZW, ATT & Sprint networks (my comments on T-Mob & Alltel would be second hand). Of the three, Sprint is by far and away the worst. They’re usually OK in urban areas, close in suburbs and along major highways, but get just a little of the beaten path and Sprint is near-worthless.

Total hog wash once again its area specific, in my area Sprint has far more coverage than verizon, and no not roaming.

You are 100% correct, it is location specific, and I can only speak from my experience. However, I travel quite a bit, usually in the company of co-workers, colleagues, clients and other professional acquaintances who have Verizon, AT&T or Sprint. I travel frequently in the following areas at least several times per year, some much more frequently than that:

Pennsylvania- Pittsburgh (home base), Philadelphia and Lehigh Valley
Texas – Houston & Gulf Coast
Tennessee – Nashville & Knoxville
Ohio – Columbus
Maryland – Baltimore, DC Metro & rural Western MD
Virginia – DC Metro, Richmond & Hampton Roads Area
Illinois – Chicago (incl NW Indiana)

Sprint is fair to good in many of these areas, but it is not the best in any of them. When o...
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You could easily flip the script and list ten place Sprint excels and verizon doesn't. But like you said who cares as long as you have the carrier that works best for You 🙂

Its-The-Network said:
You could easily flip the script and list ten place Sprint excels and verizon doesn't. But like you said who cares as long as you have the carrier that works best for You 🙂

Yeah, but its not equal, overall. If you look at things like Sprint's customer loyalty/churn rate, it is nowhere near Verizon's, and I'd think that network performance would be a major reason why.

Its NOT all the Nextel merger's fault either... even before that, Sprint's churn rate was quite a bit worse than Verizon's too.

I'd bet that there are places in the country where Sprint is better (law of averages says there has to be), but overall, I'd bet that there are significantly more places where VZW is ...
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I wouldn't necessarily say that VZW is better in more places than Sprint. However, I WILL say that if you count the population in places where VZW is better than Sprint, it's WAY higher than the vice versa.

VZW's network is around twice as old as Sprint's and the spectrum licensing is better for companies like VZW and at&t since they are usually consisting of the original A-Side and B-Side Cellular Carriers of the 80's.

Sprint seems to pick it up in places that were neglected by the old carriers but unfortunately, far fewer people live in those areas and even fewer people travel to those areas.

You can't argue with churn numbers but I like to push back sometimes concerning Sprint. The reason being is I use Sprint daily and enjoy the sound clarity much more so then I do my verizon phone...It's like I feel people will forever say verizon and crippled when the fact is they have improved but noone gives them credit for that. Sprint has crippled bluetooth too, but you seldom hear about it. And look at ATT, IMO they suck worse than any carrier, but all kinds of people defend that inferior network. It just seems very popular to dog on Sprint nowadays and I feel its unwarranted. I like Sprint 🙂

I definitely like Sprint more than I like ATT, I can agree on that. 🙂

its all location. I was visiting NJ just recently and I had service with sprint im my cousins house and she did not with verizon. She said verizon and att don't get a signal in my house I never thought sprint would. I have had verizon, att, sprint, alltel, tmoible. I have had others that were bought up by they mentioned carriers. Sprints clarity on calls can not be beat. I am so tired of hearing off interstates. There are many many areas that don't have a interstate within 50 miles that sprint has service in. Like I said its all location location location when it comes to netwrok. And its all about who suits your needs. Spritn also in my opinion can not be beet when it comes to data services!

I have traveled all over the country being...
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And yet customers continue to leave Sprint in droves. It must be GHOSTS!

Wooo- oooo. Ghosts!

😁

If you ever read the financial's you will see it is Nextel they are leaving and that still counts against there churn. I am telling you that if things don't change sprint will start posting good adds.

wombough said:
If you ever read the financial's you will see it is Nextel they are leaving and that still counts against there churn. I am telling you that if things don't change sprint will start posting good adds.

Actually, Nextel used to have great churn stats... until Sprint bought 'em. 😳

I can't argue with that as it is true but for whatever reason you can't argue that is were they are losing customers not with the CDMA network!

I'm just wondering why Sprint's touch is so toxic that it turned Nextel to crap... everyone didn't want to leave Nextel before the merger. 😳

One word! Sprint. Their name alone is toxic in the business world!

Actually, this would have happened to Nextel if Sprint didn't buy them. The Gov't kept taking away their licenses. Nextel customers will tell you that they lost coverage in places they used to be able to make calls.

Wow... what rationale did the govt use to do that? ☹️

Overall though, I dunno... weren't most people on Nextel for the PTT anyway?

interference issues

and it's not just PTT

back then, Nextel was the only national company with free incoming in

Interference, eh? Thanks for the 411.

Far as the 'not just PTT' goes... yeah, free incoming is cool, but I seem to remember that Nextel also had the worst coverage of any of the nationals too, hands-down. ☹️

Can't imagine ever going for them for general usage, free inco or no.

They were great for businesses that didn't want to be tied down to the office.

😳

Sprints network can barely penetrate buildings and capital investments in your network doesnt mean your better than the industry leader--atleast right away.

Verizon has proven itself to be THE leader in this industry, and thats not just opinion, It's fact.

Verizon may not be perfect for every single inch of the U.S. But if you had to pick a network for all of your needs, I think Verizon would be the choice.

What is all this BS that sprint can barely penetrate buildings 😕 many of my friends use Sprint and none of them have any reception problems indoors..WTF? Was that your experience or are just repeating what you've read on this site?

Its-The-Network said:
What is all this BS that sprint can barely penetrate buildings 😕 many of my friends use Sprint and none of them have any reception problems indoors..WTF? Was that your experience or are just repeating what you've read on this site?

Sprint uses 1900 MHz exclusively (PCS band). All else being equal, you get worse building penetration with that freq than you do with 800 MHz, which is what Verizon usually is, at least where I live.

The Sprint network's poor building penetration isn't a myth... I experienced it a lot first hand when I was with 'em, it was a major factor in me dumping them. You'd be in a friend's apartment only a mile or two off the highway (and you know they got t...
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In my area verizon uses 1900 along with Sprint and I see no difference in indoor reception. Once again these broad generalization get old around here.

It isn't 'generalizing' to say that Sprint is all-1900 MHz, whereas Verizon is a mix of 800 and 1900 MHz. That's just a fact.

Look, I'm happy that Sprint is good where you are, I honestly am. But, don't you think if Sprint was good in most locales, they'd be doing a LOT better than they are? Sprint is actually going backwards in the number of retail customers they have. People are jail-breakin' for the door. 😳

I don't think we've seen that since the bad old ATT Wireless days, before they got bought out by Cingular.

Interesting. In the majority of areas, VZW uses Cellular Band (800MHz). Which area are you in again?

If they are both PCS band (1900MHz), then of course there wouldn't be any difference

wombough said:
We do? My crystal ball is broken so thanks for looking in yours!!!! I dont think they will. Did IPHONE come out in 2nd quarter? I don't think it did.

They bought that other company right? Does that not count?

which one is that?

Wasnt it Dobson?

oh yeah I dont' think the 100 subscribers they had will mean much!

ok I was being a smart ass. But Did it actually go through yet?

no, either 4th qtr this year or 1st qtr next

thats what I thought so no they don't count yet!!!

I still say they beat 1.3

AT&T Inc., the nation's largest wireless carrier, agreed Friday to acquire rural wireless provider Dobson Communications Corp. for $2.8 billion in cash.

The offer of $13 per share adds about 1.7 million customers to AT&T's nearly 62 million at a time when some analysts have questioned how much larger carriers can grow in a U.S. wireless market that is saturated.

The offer represents a 17 percent premium over Dobson's closing price Friday of $11.11 in trading on the Nasdaq Stock Exchange. Including debt, the deal is worth a total of about $5.1 billion.

Oklahoma City-based Dobson does business under the Cellular One brand in rural and suburban markets in 17 states and has provided roaming services to AT&T ...
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ok I knew all that the 1.7 million means nothing until the deal is final. But it will be close. Hey I will say verizon adds a few more then att. I will say that when verizon final decides to purchase alltel that will add ohhhhhhhhhh 13 million!

Counting chickens again.......

I agree that Verizon is the best buyer for Alltel, but so much can happen between now and April.

your right but remember that is how att got so big. Buying one company after another.

that would suck verizon would ruin altell

by the time they do buy them they will ahve a wake up call and things will change in verizon. if they keep some of alltels managment it will better them. Just think about it. Alltel is in how many states? Like 9 maybe. And have 13 million subscribers. Can you imagine if they were in all 48. or 49 like sprint and verizon!

I know but I just can't help but to hate on verizon phones, and with data leading the way verizon doesn't look strong IMO. Sprint and ATT will be the leaders in data, and verizon will definitely be trailing.

take out the resellers!

Verizon 1.6
at&t 1.5

146,000 iphones(outstanding launch but far below what everyone was calling for)

only 912,000 of At&t acts were postpaid
1.1 million On Verizon side

I am more interested in seeing how the small fries did(sprint and Tmobile)

but kudos to at&t for dropping their churn rate

Poor Amp'd!!

I dont agree with that statement. With 500,000 people buying the iPhone within 48 after its release... ATT can easily post better numbers than these....

Maybe they WOULD post better numbers.

the_eraser said:
I dont agree with that statement. With 500,000 people buying the iPhone within 48 after its release... ATT can easily post better numbers than these....

Maybe. Only about half of that 500k were ports, the rest were already ATT customers, but still, it will definitely help ATT.

how many people do you think returned phones and went back or to another carrier because of defective iphone or ended up getting no service in their area. of about 250,000. 1/2 of that have had to exchange defective phones so far.

Doggone ampd!!!