especially living in hawaii... since we're so behind everyone's time on the mainland...by the time we have free minutes, everyone is already sleeping...

I hear ya dude..same in cali..calling east is a pain 😈

Of course calling the west *from* the east rules!

😛

Haha 😎 try calling the east from Hawaii...the closest time gap would be 5 hours! I don't even use my night minutes to call the east.

You just need to get up a little before 6am. Then you can call me and ill be up. 😁

shadedpain4 said:
You just need to get up a little before 6am. Then you can call me and ill be up. 😁

Wait, then id be using *my* peak minutes. Nevermind! 😲

LoL...

i'm obviously an idiot, but when do night minutes start??

alphabets said:
i'm obviously an idiot, but when do night minutes start??

at midnight.. and they end at 1:00am

85percent said:

alphabets said:
i'm obviously an idiot, but when do night minutes start??

at midnight.. and they end at 1:00am

you're joking, right?

alphabets said:

85percent said:

alphabets said:
i'm obviously an idiot, but when do night minutes start??

at midnight.. and they end at 1:00am

you're joking, right?

whats wrong with that? you get an entire hour of unlimited calling..

85percent said:

alphabets said:

85percent said:

alphabets said:
i'm obviously an idiot, but when do night minutes start??

at midnight.. and they end at 1:00am

you're joking, right?

whats wrong with that? you get an entire hour of unlimited calling..

i guess i should be grateful. whats the matter with me? 😛

Well living in Hawaii is a compromise. Late night calling, or you could be scraping ice off your windshield with us in the morning this winter

😁 No thanks. I'll stick to my rainy "winter" and huge winter swells 😎

jeff351 said:
Well living in Hawaii is a compromise. Late night calling, or you could be scraping ice off your windshield with us in the morning this winter

The man makes a good point.

bleu_tropix said:
Haha 😎 try calling the east from Hawaii...the closest time gap would be 5 hours! I don't even use my night minutes to call the east.

I guess you guys in HI use your Weekend Minutes to call east. I bet it sucks

So by that statement... Marketing == Desperate? Then I suppose every company in every industry is desperate for business... And on this note... (correct me if i'm wrong) I recall for several months Verizon was the only carrier offering two phones for the price of one... Was Verizon marketing then... or just desperate for customers?

I'm not following here. Other companies offered BOGO ... in fact, other companies offered FREE phones, which is a better deal on the equipment.

You're right... You're not following here.

speck said:
So by that statement... Marketing == Desperate? Then I suppose every company in every industry is desperate for business... And on this note... (correct me if i'm wrong) I recall for several months Verizon was the only carrier offering two phones for the price of one... Was Verizon marketing then... or just desperate for customers?

there's a difference between marketing and offering 8000 minutes for $39.99 with 7pm nights / weekends..

No, there is not. Big business in any industry has different strategies and tactics, and ultimately results in the acquisition of a large customer base. This is what keeps competition alive and breathing.

speck said:
No, there is not. Big business in any industry has different strategies and tactics, and ultimately results in the acquisition of a large customer base. This is what keeps competition alive and breathing.

you're right, Cingular does need to offer 7pm nights to stay competitive with such a powerhouse.

That was not the implication but let's go with this and reflect on the last few years... Verizon has dominated the wireless industry, as you said it was a "powerhouse". A Solid 2 1/2 yr lead before Cingular Wireless was formed... A fresh wireless company with a good back taking on the largest wireless carrier in the US. With smart marketing and avertising, in your opinion "desperate" actions, Cingular besides Verizon were the only wireless carriers to make money since the last quarter of 2003.

This particular discussion reminds me of when Bill Gates took over as the "richest man in the world" making the Prince of Saudi Arabia (I believe it was, correct me if i'm wrong) the second richest... When the prince was asked, "How does it feel be...
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speck said:
That was not the implication but let's go with this and reflect on the last few years... Verizon has dominated the wireless industry, as you said it was a "powerhouse". A Solid 2 1/2 yr lead before Cingular Wireless was formed... A fresh wireless company with a good back taking on the largest wireless carrier in the US. With smart marketing and avertising, in your opinion "desperate" actions, Cingular besides Verizon were the only wireless carriers to make money since the last quarter of 2003.

This particular discussion reminds me of when Bill Gates took over as the "richest man in the world" making the Prince of Saudi Arabia (I believe it was, correct me if i'm wrong) the second richest... When the prince

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🤣 Verizon Wireless is not afraid of this merge, their smart customers know where the REAL service is at, and will remain loyal customers. Verizon Wireless has class, and has top notch customer service, with few complaints for such a LEADING PROVIDER in the wireless industry. With the merge the only thing verizon wireless is looking forward to is increasing our customer base by acquiring the "new cingular's" dissatisfied customers. You can lower the nights and weekends to 7, you bring out phones before a complete testing and eat the money of replacing them. Verizon Wireless continues to lead the industry because they are a smart company. Our money spent wisely, our employees have one of the best training programs, and our service sell...
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I refuse to turn this into another Cingular vs Verizon debate...

Sarah143VZW said:
🤣 Verizon Wireless is not afraid of this merge, their smart customers know where the REAL service is at, and will remain loyal customers. Verizon Wireless has class, and has top notch customer service, with few complaints for such a LEADING PROVIDER in the wireless industry. With the merge the only thing verizon wireless is looking forward to is increasing our customer base by acquiring the "new cingular's" dissatisfied customers. You can lower the nights and weekends to 7, you bring out phones before a complete testing and eat the money of replacing them. Verizon Wireless continues to lead the industry because they are a smart company. Our money spent wisely, our employees have one of the best t

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I have VZW I work for the company! 😁

HUGE class action suit?? 😕 giving away alot of stuff 😲 elaborate on this please....... I'm curious to hear this one...

Basically they had a class action lawsuit brought against them because of not disclosing certain things in the contract... included anyone who signed a contract from 93 (when it was GTE or Vodaphone) until 2002 or 2003... they were giving accessories away like crazy... it was on the web site for awhile.. i believe it ended at the end of 2003...

And why are we bringing this up now? 😕

I forget...

And what about that HUGE class action lawsuit that Verizon had on them... They had to give a whole of stuff away to make up for it...

We'll just agree to disagree.

ummmm... no. Cingular is the LARGEST.

speck said:

This particular discussion reminds me of when Bill Gates took over as the "richest man in the world" making the Prince of Saudi Arabia (I believe it was, correct me if i'm wrong) the second richest...

That may of actually have been the Sultan of Brunei... that's just off the top of my head, no Googling it...

Why do you Cingular people STILL continue to spew incorrect information after being being corrected almost every time? 1 more time for Speck:

Verizon Wireless formed by mergers on April 4, 2000
Cingular formed by mergers in August 2000

How do you get 2 and 1/2 years headstart from that? Only through a buyout can Cingular be considered a competitor on true scale and you haven't even gone through the growth pains associated with mergers. Like having to break leasing agreements for closing stores. All those towers and having redundant coverage means the company will shut alot of them off which is more broken leasing agreements, the over abundence of employees that will need to be streamlined, billing systems and rate plans that will have...
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85percent said:

speck said:
So by that statement... Marketing == Desperate? Then I suppose every company in every industry is desperate for business... And on this note... (correct me if i'm wrong) I recall for several months Verizon was the only carrier offering two phones for the price of one... Was Verizon marketing then... or just desperate for customers?

there's a difference between marketing and offering 8000 minutes for $39.99 with 7pm nights / weekends..

Ya its called GREEDY!!!

85percent said:

JJMcClain said:
I don't know about Verizon but Cingular does offer 7pm Nights...


***Sorry... Just pulling for the home team... :-)

We don't need to offer 7pm nights. If we were desperate for customers (eh hem like other carriers), I'm sure our corporate heads would think of something


-Verizon Wireless Sales

God forbid if you guys throw us (VZW customers) a bone!

.

👿

No... That's not the point... The point is that Verizon does not treat their customers as they should... they treat customers like hostages... Every time you want to change your rate plan you have to sign a new contract... they don't offer 7pm calling b/c that would be way to generous and Verizon has well established themselves as the greediest company in the wireless industry... again, I make my bluetooth reference... they took that convenience away from their customers until they find a way to charge for it... Verizon does have a few perks, but all around, they do not do much for their customers...

are you a customer?

nope... just someone who sits back and watches what they do...

😲 Well if you were a customer you would know that you can change your price plan at anytime, now if you choose to take advantage of a new promotion then at that time you would need to extend the terms of your contract. If you are looking to just increase or decrease your peak usage minutes, you can make that change at anytime without having to extend your terms. While you're sitting back, maybe you should take better notes of the BEST Wireless company in the industry!

Well said!!!! Thank You!!!! 😁

do you work for the company? 🙂

Oh... well... See my mom and her husband has it, and they have a family plan, and needed more min, and guess what, they had to sign a contract... my best friend wanted more min, and got hit with a contract... a guy i work with same thing... the list goes on...

Then they took advantage of a new promotion, they probably switched to the unlimited "IN" calling promotion, which is a contract extention. If you want just more minutes keeping the same "perks" that you currently have, then there is no extention. If you want the latest and greatest promotion, then obviously you're going to have to sign a new agreement, because what you signed at the point of sale for your current contract, would be void with new features and promotions and that is why you are required to sign a new agreements. I hope that was clear enough for you, and if your family and friends, and for the rest of the people on list.... how do they feel about you being the only one that isn't "IN". If everyone around you is with Verizon ...
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ok... so they did that, then got hit with a high bill b/c the secondary line did not have 'in'... so they called to complain b/c noone told them that, then said they could sign another contract (2 months later) so the second line could be 'in'... it doesn't make any sense to me... if you are on a contract, why make them sign another one... just another way Verizon keeps their churn low... hold em hostage... :-)

remember, our already low churn *INCLUDES* prepaid layabouts coming and going at will... 🙂

I like the word "layabout"

here's another one... "Slovenly git" 🙂

Hooray! must add to vocabulary... I'll have to call my next customer that so I can remember it.

Oh now the truth comes out 😲 , but let's be foreal why would a "family" share all be on the same contract if they want to have unlimited in network like all the other lines all the contracts should end the same you think your going to get something for nothing?? 😳

but the fact is, Verizon screwed millions of people with that 'in' crap... not telling people on a family talk that only one line had it, then when they came out with the second line being able to have, you have to sign another contract... that's just wrong...

and again I state... if you are already on a contract, why should they have to sign anther one???

It was in writing on the brochure, people just don't read.

Not really... They called CS... (the people I know anyway...)

Okay say it with me "Your taking advantage of a new promotion!" and it also was clearly stated that the secondary lines would not have in network calling only unlimited family calling.... people just do not read....

again... it was a cs rep... there is nothing to read...

what?? so they just signed their original agreement without anything to read?? hard to believe and confirmation letters about the plan they changed to are sent out right away so there definetly was something to read.....

That was a new promotion that started. They took advantage of it and had to extend the contract.

Actually you can't really call it holding anyone hostage, because it is a choice. Your friends and family members choose to switch to a currently marketed price plan and extend the terms, now if they just wanted higher minutes then their contract would've stayed the same as the day they signed. Verizon Wireless stays the best because they have smart business technigues that allow them to lead the wireless industry. I think you're upset because you're not a VZW customer, and you're probably being held hostage by another provider with an ETF higher then VZW's. So if your family and friends do feel that their previous promotion was better, they always have 30days to switch back, but it looks like they went ahead and signed a new aggrement and ...
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Nope... I was a GTE customer back in the day... Been with cingular since it was South Westernbell Wireless, tried T mobile, then came back to Cingular... and i'm getting everyone I know to switch to Cingular...

RIGHT!!!! That's a really good way to piss off your friends and family members! You better hope Cingular still offers a trail period when you start taking friends and family members away from wireless that works, or you may have a rough time getting along at family gatherings or finding a friend to hang out with!

Speaking of trial periods, we're about to extend it to 30 days on the 15th. Until then it's still at 15 days.

Lol... I know the coverage very well... and I can tell them exactly where they may have problems... and for the most part it's pretty much the same as Verizon, unless they have a phone that uses amps...

I'll be your friend JJ.... 😛

lol!! 🤣

Lol...
ok... i will not bring up anymore contracts...
can i still use my tried and true bluetooth argument?

can you tell i took debate one year in high school???

JJMcClain said:
can you tell i took debate one year in high school???

you went to highschool??

.

Ha Ha... Yep... for a little while anyway...

and if you would have noticed, which most people in here did... I dropped that argument... but we will continue the bluetooth thing if you'd like... lol....

sure 🙂

oooh, I have an idea. Lets all debate stuff only using 1337! 😛

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Wait a second! Let's keep in mind that Cingular does work and has the best GSM network... You talk down on Cingular as if it was Sprint or some crappy rural provider... Cingular is your biggest competitor.

I swear... Do you honestly think your executives are acting this way? No, they're businessmen and take the Cingular threat seriously. Why must the VZW Reps in this forum act like punks?

*I know this post isn't my nor de nom but some of you are idiots.*

I'm no punk, just know what's good and why must you and other people keep coming in vzw forum corrupting it, yours too boring?? 😕

Yes... our forum is extremely boring. It's why we had 20 replies to the topic "Bored..."

Yes... that was a got thread ralph...

*ah... good thread...

Basically it's clearly in the agreement and the 15 WFG that you can change you price plan at anytime with the same promotion without extending the contract, I bet if you ask these people they probably were on an older plan where they just had 1000 mobile to mobile minutes then when they took the new plan they got unlimited in network minutes... if you stay with the promotion you came in vzw with you don't extend you contract and that's a fact! 😉

JJMcClain said:
No... That's not the point... The point is that Verizon does not treat their customers as they should... they treat customers like hostages... Every time you want to change your rate plan you have to sign a new contract... they don't offer 7pm calling b/c that would be way to generous and Verizon has well established themselves as the greediest company in the wireless industry... ...

Greediest? or smartest. and no you don't have to re-sign a contract when you change your plan. thats actually a big selling point for us. Cain, this guy is disgracing your name.

again, I make my bluetooth reference... they took that convenience away from their customers until they find a way to

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Just depends on who disagrees with who... Remember 20/20 gave it to Cingular... i think...

omg people went ballistic on this thread.. easy boys n girls..vzw is still the best no worries !!! 😁

skk said:
omg people went ballistic on this thread.. easy boys n girls..vzw is still the best no worries !!! 😁

too much spam on these boards now..

ex. "k guys I'm going to lunch"

this is a forum not a chat room

i agree

anybody know a four letter word for "Graceful rhythm" starting with L?

Oh wow...how did this "Nights n weekends @ 7" end up off topic? LoL....

the same way that everything ends up off topic! hehehe