actually I have seen reports on cingulars exceptional coverage during the hurricaines. but natural dissasters aside what is the benifit?

gee... you ARE intelligent.

so true, i couldnt find which company it was but during the 2nd hurricane VZW's call completion rate was 96% 2nd place was 78% 3 others were between38-55% and one was 17%, but the worst was a company with 3%!!!!!!!

3% f'n percent!?! wow you get what you pay for~

So True, So true.... 😉

where did you find this info. I cant see any reputable company sending their staff out to test network quality in a hurricane. I know when they test network quality and call completion rates in my area they actually send out a mobile unit with devices supported by each wireless carrier, that place repeated calls. I dont see that happening during a hurricanine. I would love to see where you got those numbers. can you let me know?

also I am not attacking verizon, I am talking about cdma in general. if in fact your numbers are true, where was sprint? or any other cdma carriers?

careful... they don't like it when you challenge them with the truth.

Was that really a challenge? I looked at it more as wanting additional info...

yeah... it was a challenge... he challnged the person to back up their statement... they couldn't.

easy killer...it's too early for you to be so hateful...hehehe

i wasn't being hateful.

if i had been hateful, it would have read:

Yeah it was a $%^&**( challenge, bittch. Now go $%^& yourself.

😉
I really wasn't being hateful, I was just answering the question.

actally I did mean it as a challenge. After being lied to personally by many VZW reps in stores, and hearing my customers have been lied to, I need proof whenever a VZW supporter says anything. after hearing such blatent lies, I wouldnt believe a VZW rep if they told me they ate toast for breakfast. in training it seems like they teach, if you dont know the answer, make it up. Or do they have training at all?

This info is reported to the FCC to ensure company quality and reliability. The FCC tracks this data to ensure companies are following guidelines, offering a public service that delivers, and helping in the greater safety of the public.

where is that at?

it was e-mailed to me by my DM

so you cant really back it up? and to get back to the point why is CDMA better than gsm NOT VERIZON and like I said earlier natural disasters aside. All I have heard so far is unsubstanitated garbage

First of all, there is a such thing called a MUNSI report that is gathers switch statistics measuring Access Failures and Lost Calls (Calls that ended without an release order being sent on Fwd or Revrse link). So you can gather data while the hurricane is in progress without having the crew go out.

Secondly, there is a such thing called a NOCC, Network Operations Command Center, where they monitor every single alarm on every single tower in the VZW system. If there is an outage on any tower, the NOCC receives the alarm.

Thirdly, drive testing was conducted immediately after the hurricane had past. VZW's call success rate was 95%. Cingular was 45%. All other carriers were far lower, including one carrier at 5%. These are facts. Where a...
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two things: one you are right about tdma, however gsm (at&t-cingular) uses 1/8th not 1/3rd

second: if cdma provides better battery life, why do the majority of gsm phones provide longer talk time.

also the statitstics you provide regarding call completion after the hurricane I have seen posted in this forum before, but they keep changing. I have asked others before and I am asking again, where do you find those numbers. let me know where I can see them.

You sound like you know your stuff, but with those few blatent discrepencies I question the rest of your post. considering they are pretty remedial

I have also seen figures where VZW's network was at or around 95% capacity after the hurricanes. They had the most working coverage after the hurricane.

WHERE?

Dude, lol, it was in the news (TV) and various study publications. It has been a while since those publications were made. If you really want to know so bad, you can google it to find out. It isn't my problem or anyone elses if you refuse to believe commonly known facts.

all I have found is studys that were performed BY VERIZON that do not name the competitors other than a,b,c, etc. sounds like an unbias study to me

If you take your time to look around for the articles you will find them. The problem is you refuse to believe commonly known facts. If you had actually been paying attention to news during that time, you actually would've seen the same reports I have that stated VZW's network outperformed all the others after the hurricane(s). Another issue is that you want to argue about that situation now when it happened 2 months ago. Those articles stating the stuff me and others have told you, aren't going to be on top for everyone to easily find. That is why I say if you don't believe it, that's your problem, but don't expect us to prove it to you just because you weren't paying attention before. If you really want to see the articles, you can l...
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all I am asking is for people to back up their claims with proof. I found the article, a test done by verizon, are there any 3rd party tests? If it were a test done by cingular that put cingular on top I would be asking for the same proof. also I would be happier if no-one had coverage in florida after what those bastards did to the last election. I would prefer verizon took all their backup batteries and generators and hooked them to Jeb Bush's nipples

Amen bdizzle, that is something we can agree on...hehehe

ROTFLMAO that was the funniest thing I've read all damn week! 🤣 🤣 🤣

i know that every company likes to try and bash VZW for our "self testing" and our "best network" claim.

These are on our website, in our advertising, and in our stores. The governing body that decides what is and isnt false advertising obviously feel tthat VZW's test were more than sufficient enough to post these claims. So if our tests showed we have the best network well enough for the government then why can't you accept it?!?

These same testing methods were used in the hurricanes and they showed the same info we have found time and time again. WE ARE THE BEST NETWORK IN NOERTH AMERICA...BAR NONE!

We couldn't advertise it if it was not true. Think about that.

jdhilzdsp said:
i know that every company likes to try and bash VZW for our "self testing" and our "best network" claim.

These are on our website, in our advertising, and in our stores. The governing body that decides what is and isnt false advertising obviously feel tthat VZW's test were more than sufficient enough to post these claims. So if our tests showed we have the best network well enough for the government then why can't you accept it?!?

These same testing methods were used in the hurricanes and they showed the same info we have found time and time again. WE ARE THE BEST NETWORK IN NOERTH AMERICA...BAR NONE!

We couldn't advertise it if it was not true. Think about that.

He won't accept it...
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sorry officer the bush was blocking the stop sign I didnt see it

I never said I wont belive it if it favors verizon, I dont believe adds, or company issued tests. third parties are the only way to get true unbiased info

Ok. you don't believe adds. But do you believe ads?

😁

the tides are shifting, I dont deny that the past few years verizon has been the number one carrier, and may still be today, but the tides are shifting

Where's your surf report? What article did you read that in? Are you basing it solely on ads? How about adds?

Nothing is stagnant. Everything changes. Look where we were just four years ago. Impossible to predict where we'll be four years down the road. But VZW is poised in a very good position where it is able to spend an INSANE amount of money each year making the best carrier in the business even better. Increasing coverage, increasing capacity, adding new features and new technologies. It is an exciting industry to be in, and while the tides may shift, VZW is on heckuva surf board to be on.

fo schizzle

Thats what makes this industry so fun. But every carrier is going to add features, towers, etc. and they will all spend tons of money

if that is true, cingular is advertizing the the largest "all over" network which company is lying, there cant be two best networks. all companys tweak tests to their advantage, you cant believe adds

If you really were paying attention, the new Cingular ads talk about the "LARGEST ALL DIGITAL NETWORK". Verizon never advertised they were the largest all digital network, because they aren't, they have AMPS coverage as well.

doesnt sprint advertize the same thing

Nope. They say "All PCS network". VZW's is both Cellular band and PCS.

1) LARGEST DOES NOT EQUAL BEST

2) you want a credible 3rd party report....Consumer Reports Feb 04 issue. 32,000 people participated, largest ever.

Way more than the 7,00 hundred people T-Mobile is using for their award in JD Powers and a hell of alot more than the 908 used in the vocalab test.
Done there is your source.

my prev post should have said 7,500 hundred people in the JD Power report

Largest ALL Digital netwrok, largest mobile 2 mobile calling network, largest data network... check the maps if you don't agree...
Cingular- http://onlinestore.cingular.com/html/Maps/dat aconnect_map.htm

Verizon- http://www.verizonwireless.com/images_b2c/map s/national/enh.gif

The coverage speaks for itself...

First, let’s look at the network, the backbone of our company. The Verizon Wireless network significantly outperformed our competition across the region, again living up to its reputation as the nation’s most reliable network.

Network drive tests performed immediately following the hurricanes gave us a detailed look at how our network performed to the competition. It wasn’t pretty -- for them.

Call Success Rates
Hurricane Frances - Sept. 7 - Florida
Verizon Wireless 96%
Carrier A 84%
Carrier B 73%
Carrier C 34%
Carrier D 28%
Carrier E 3%

Hurricane Ivan - Sept. 16 - Gulf Coast
Verizon Wireless 96%
Carrier A 67%
Car...
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that is all I could find in google, looks pretty bias to me

Everything looks biased to you because you refure to believe anything that would favor VZW because of your previous experience.

Thank you bdizzle for being the only one so far that I've seen post an actual fact about GSM. Ok, so they divide their timeslots into 1/8th timeslots. That would give them 8 times the number of users over AMPS per channel. That's still eight times less than CDMA, which can support 64 times the number of users over AMPS per channel.

I don't have any published facts of talk time. But I can say that so many things can influence your overall talk time. Operating voltage, processor current draw, display sizes, backlighting. But looking at the non-UI factors, being transmitter power, CDMA will save on battery life due to reduced power output. It also will operate in Slotted Mode.

Slotted Mode is when the phone essentially goes "to sleep" (tu...
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might i add that's a LIE... cingular also had service. the only reason that SOME of the cingular network was out was because of power outtages. the network held up fine. LIAR.

Cingular did not hold service for the whole time stop making excuses for their poor service and like he mentioned he is not here to start a war he's not taking any one carrier's side he just wants to know which technology is better and why ,what is wrong with you??? go somewhere pleeeaaassse!!!!

i am somewhere...
I am not "making excuses for anyones poor service"... cingular had service during the hurricane and so did vzw... the outage that caused 6 sites to go down was fixed within the day. you were just lying stating that VZW was the only carrier to offer service during the hurricane... which also happens to be off point about the cdma vs gsm debate which this guy was talking about...

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might i add that's a LIE... cingular also had service. the only reason that SOME of the cingular network was out was because of power outtages. the network held up fine. LIAR.

See that's why Verizon has what you call "battery operated" towers. So when the power goes out, the battery kicks in. Hmmmm another way of shutting you up. When "natural disasters" happen, Verizon rolls in towers to help in the emergency situation. And if "natural disasters" (WHICH 9/11 was NOT!) weren't important enough to have your service running than why even be a cellular company? Verizon was the ONLY company working during the New York Blackout. I called a friend of mine and she had Verizon in downtown New...
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Digital Pimp said:

CainMarko said:
might i add that's a LIE... cingular also had service. the only reason that SOME of the cingular network was out was because of power outtages. the network held up fine. LIAR.

See that's why Verizon has what you call "battery operated" towers. So when the power goes out, the battery kicks in. Hmmmm another way of shutting you up. When "natural disasters" happen, Verizon rolls in towers to help in the emergency situation. And if "natural disasters" (WHICH 9/11 was NOT!) weren't important enough to have your service running than why even be a cellular company? Verizon was the ONLY company working during the New York Blackout. I called a friend of m

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do you remember the mtv "rich girls" show. I was watching the episode during the new york blackout and one of the girls had a cdma motorola v60 ( the pull out antenna was a give away} that did not work, I remember it being a big deal on the show. I know in my area verizon and quest were the only cdma carriers to offer the v60 and quest is not in new york. so unless it was a fluke, her verizon phone wasnt working, so verizon may have had some coverage but not total. I know this is an obscure form of discovery but it is true. now the hurricane I know for a fact that cingular was up and running. I dont dispute that VZW was also but get the facts straight VZW was not the only carrier operating

bdizzle said:
do you remember the mtv "rich girls" show. I was watching the episode during the new york blackout and one of the girls had a cdma motorola v60 ( the pull out antenna was a give away} that did not work, I remember it being a big deal on the show. I know in my area verizon and quest were the only cdma carriers to offer the v60 and quest is not in new york. so unless it was a fluke, her verizon phone wasnt working, so verizon may have had some coverage but not total. I know this is an obscure form of discovery but it is true. now the hurricane I know for a fact that cingular was up and running. I dont dispute that VZW was also but get the facts straight VZW was not the only carrier operating

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The only reason Cingular towers weren't working was because of a power outtage? And that's acceptable to you???? It certainly is not industry-wide. That's why VZW has 6-hour battery packs and full back-up generators at their BSC.

Sprint needs to die... outright die... being bough tout is fine, but I want to see them jsut close up shop and booth their customer sout into the street... Bankruptcy is a wonderful thing... and *NOBODY* not even t-mobile or verizon really wants to take on sprint's mostly non-paying customerbase...

I have to agree. Sprint is just bad for the most part. The reason why they have any reasonably sized customer base is because they have low credit standards and because they had to go so low as to not do credit checks to get customers. I also would like to see Sprint just go away.

too bad tmobile is not cdma. after wittnessing the aftershocks of gte (in washington) changing technologies, and the customer complaints to date, over 2 1/2 years later. I would hate to be in sprints shoes if they did in fact merge with tmobile, although just a hypothetical situation

Dude, I'd hate to be in sprint's shoes, period!

I need to add some credits to my phone, I gots account spending limits 🤣

lol

or you get the customers who are the "I pay my bill when they shut my "fohne" off" at $800 overdue. 🙂

you know... if they just wouldn't LIE about MY company or my technology, I wouldn't even respond. it's my ONLY beef with VZW.

I agree, I work for cingular, and I make it a point to secret shop the competition at least once a month, and verizon and sprint reps are by far the worst when it comes to making up stuff. it makes me wonder what kind of training verizon provides. I asked a rep why verizon was better than cingular. he said "because cingular is on sattelite and verizon is on 3g" I laughed and corrected him, his manager had to come in and help.

Satellite? 😳 😳 😳 WTF are they smoking???

yeah but you're wrong again... North america has about 160 million gsm subscribers and cdma has about 85 million. North america includes canada and mexico as well.

at least according to the CDG and GSMA. I don't think the CDG counts mexico as part of their north american total(dunno why... maybe because they lost subscribers in mexico in 2003... 2 carriers went GSM).

CainMarko said:
yeah but you're wrong again... North america has about 160 million gsm subscribers and cdma has about 85 million. North america includes canada and mexico as well.

at least according to the CDG and GSMA. I don't think the CDG counts mexico as part of their north american total(dunno why... maybe because they lost subscribers in mexico in 2003... 2 carriers went GSM).

Cain, how many times do you have to be told? There are MORE CDMA USERS IN NORTH AMERICA THAN GSM! Hell, tons of Cingular and ATTW users (i.e. your own customers) are STILL ON TDMA!:

By 2003, AT&T Wireless's percentage of customers on GSM was hovering at 15 percent, according to analysts, while Cingular had 3 ...
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ZING!!!!

dude, don't wear my stompin' boots out 😳 , I'd like em back at some point. 😎

But they're so comfortable, Sponge. ☹️