WiMaX is going to DESTROY VERIZON!!!!!!!!!!!!
We reported Tuesday about Sprint Nextel's WiMax broadband wireless network it was planning to build
using WiMax technology. Now, the company says it's going to start laying down some serious money to make this happen, vowing to spend $3 billion over the next two years to build the WiMax network. The advantage for us? Nothing short of accessing video, music, voice and even video calls wherever we are and whenever we want. Is anybody thinking the current wireless "broadband" service EV-DO is fast? Says Sprint CEO Gary Forsee:
"The 4G network will be four times faster than today's EV-DO network. And at these speeds, it's all about lighting up new devices. Imagine accessing YouTube.com and MySpace.com literally on the fly."
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using WiMax technology. Now, the company says it's going to start laying down some serious money to make this happen, vowing to spend $3 billion over the next two years to build the WiMax network. The advantage for us? Nothing short of accessing video, music, voice and even video calls wherever we are and whenever we want. Is anybody thinking the current wireless "broadband" service EV-DO is fast? Says Sprint CEO Gary Forsee:
"The 4G network will be four times faster than today's EV-DO network. And at these speeds, it's all about lighting up new devices. Imagine accessing YouTube.com and MySpace.com literally on the fly."
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I think that Stink should focus on keeping its customers more than any other carrier. It's known that Stink loves to be first to technology (camera phones etc) But what they need to know is that if they have no customer base, then those services will just sit there awaiting to be used.... š
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FYI Sprints churn went down last quarter, try to stay up with current events š I'd take Sprint any day over your gsm suckular crud.
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Retaining customers is great, but not if you can't add some as well. If churn goes down but you gain no marketshare, what good has it done you?
And even as Sprint's churn went down, it's still no comparison to that of Verizon's or Cingular's.
And even as Sprint's churn went down, it's still no comparison to that of Verizon's or Cingular's.
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I feel the technology but you of course realize that this will appeal to probably only about 3-5% of all the cell phone users out there right.
Technology has never saved a company when the fundementals of said company are flawed. We see this now in Sony's PS3. I see this happening with Sprint. Sprint is losing their customer base. To refute this would be naive and until Sprint/Nextel resolve the fundemental issues that are causing them to lose their customer base, Wimax will only be benchmark that VZW and ATT will use to compare their 4g rollouts to.
Technology has never saved a company when the fundementals of said company are flawed. We see this now in Sony's PS3. I see this happening with Sprint. Sprint is losing their customer base. To refute this would be naive and until Sprint/Nextel resolve the fundemental issues that are causing them to lose their customer base, Wimax will only be benchmark that VZW and ATT will use to compare their 4g rollouts to.
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adilus said:
I feel the technology but you of course realize that this will appeal to probably only about 3-5% of all the cell phone users out there right.
Technology has never saved a company when the fundementals of said company are flawed. We see this now in Sony's PS3. I see this happening with Sprint. Sprint is losing their customer base. To refute this would be naive and until Sprint/Nextel resolve the fundemental issues that are causing them to lose their customer base, Wimax will only be benchmark that VZW and ATT will use to compare their 4g rollouts to.
Well said sir. Well said.
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i think when at&t adopts hsdpa+ and lte for 4g and whatever verizon and qualcomm concoct together something, they will give sprint a run for their money
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Plus Sanyo is on board ready to supply sweet handsets, and don't forget the best PTT service with Qchat on its way too!
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This actually reminds me of the video game market of the early '90s.
Atari came out with this awesome system (Jaguar) that was like 4 times the graphics of nintendo and sega (microsoft and Sony not in the game at that point). This was going to get them back in the game, pun intended, and would certainly blow its rivals out of the water.
Didn't work out so good for Atari...
Atari came out with this awesome system (Jaguar) that was like 4 times the graphics of nintendo and sega (microsoft and Sony not in the game at that point). This was going to get them back in the game, pun intended, and would certainly blow its rivals out of the water.
Didn't work out so good for Atari...
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urnamehere said:
This actually reminds me of the video game market of the early '90s.
Atari came out with this awesome system (Jaguar) that was like 4 times the graphics of nintendo and sega (microsoft and Sony not in the game at that point). This was going to get them back in the game, pun intended, and would certainly blow its rivals out of the water.
Didn't work out so good for Atari...
š¤£ š¤£ š¤£ Awww, you said Atari and I just traveled in time to the good old days... š¢
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Don't forget that it's looking like WiMAX may become an international standard, just as GSM is today!!!
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As far as churn with Sprint goes, it has already been established that those customers that are leaving are iDen subscribers, while the CDMA side still holds strong. I see alot of promise in WiMax and Sprint certainly holds enough spectrum to make it work. Sprint is well known for its data innovations and the way that information is distributed, it is transitioning into an IP base.
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New_2_T-Mobile said:
Hey, they're serious about this. It might happen sooner than anticipated, tooāSprint said the network would go live in the fourth quarter of 2007, adding that 100 million users would be on that network by the end of 2008.
100 Million? are they serious? Sprint/Nextel is going to double it's customer base in 2 yr?
Let me buy 1 million shares!!!!
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Although the wording was misleading, I believe it meant the network would have 100 million potential users by 2008.
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how much are the new hansets going to cost to use wimax. and how much will the plans be.
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With phones, well it depends on the functionality of the phones. Check out the new Samsung devices and other devices for Wimax. Price points should probably be in the high $400s to probably $600, for the higher end phones. Mid to entry level tiers should be comparable to the ones that are now. They will also sell data cards, which will be similar, priced as to current offerings.
With regarding the plans, since it would be cheaper on the per bit level, they can lower their prices as to what is offered. If you checked out their trial with Qualcommās Flarion, although it was OFDM, (it is also cheaper per bit too), they had different price tiers and it was cheaper than current offerings.
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With regarding the plans, since it would be cheaper on the per bit level, they can lower their prices as to what is offered. If you checked out their trial with Qualcommās Flarion, although it was OFDM, (it is also cheaper per bit too), they had different price tiers and it was cheaper than current offerings.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but if Sprint is only expecting 2 to 4mbps with Wimax, wouldn't that make Cingular's HSPA+ a hell of a lot more useful? I mean, HSPA+ is offering speeds up to 28mbps and even if we can expect a fraction of that, it should still blow by Wimax like it was sitting still. And to make the advantage even a little more tough for Sprint to swallow, HSPA+ requires only a simple upgrade to the existing HSDPA network.
I don't know man, but every day I'm questioning how "wonderful" Wimax will really be for Sprint.
And as far as Verizon goes...well Sprint will do it first, Verizon will do it better.
I don't know man, but every day I'm questioning how "wonderful" Wimax will really be for Sprint.
And as far as Verizon goes...well Sprint will do it first, Verizon will do it better.
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Wimax in theory can hit 40mbps on the cellular side but again we are talking lab results. EV-DO Rev B is said to be able to hit 73.5mbps with high performance devices and multiplexing of channels. I would say that the path VZW and Cingular are using to upgrade existing technology wil be more cost effective in the long run and require less hardware change.
Sprint might have an edge for a small time but will ultimately suffer in the long term with Wimax from what all of the industry insiders are saying. We all have to remember that Voice pays a majority of the bill and Sprint has lost focus on that, the proof is in the numbers and Cingular and Verizon are running away with it.
Sprint might have an edge for a small time but will ultimately suffer in the long term with Wimax from what all of the industry insiders are saying. We all have to remember that Voice pays a majority of the bill and Sprint has lost focus on that, the proof is in the numbers and Cingular and Verizon are running away with it.
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Dresdner Kleinwort said:Reports are suggesting that US telco Sprint Nextel may be facing delays and increased rollout costs for its planned WiMAX wireless internet network. Unstrung cites a report from financial analysts at Dresdner Kleinwort which says: āWe believe the whole project will be marred by severe delays, quality deficiencies and functional slippages.ā The firm also predicts that the deployment is āalmost certainā to be hit by ācost overrunsā. Sprint Nextel has played down the speculation, reiterating that it expects to meet its schedule of soft launches in Chicago and Washington DC by the end of this year, with a full commercial launch and a nationwide rollout following in 2008. āWe are on track with our progra...
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Many analysts do not know what they are talking about, so I would not take what they say a lot to heart.
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nextel18 said:
Many analysts do not know what they are talking about, so I would not take what they say a lot to heart.
Didn't you claim to be an analyst? If so, I'll have to agree with your statement. š
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RUFF1415 said:nextel18 said:
Many analysts do not know what they are talking about, so I would not take what they say a lot to heart.
Didn't you claim to be an analyst? If so, I'll have to agree with your statement. š
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If they want to make a splash with this, they need to use this network to start a new price war. But is it even possible based on the costs?
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sangyup81 said:
If they want to make a splash with this, they need to use this network to start a new price war. But is it even possible based on the costs?
Well the whole idea is to have one flat cost for service, voice and data. Since voice will be carried by VOIP, unlimited calling with unlimited data would be the standard and let's say for around $50/month?
Check out the wikipedia article about WiMAX, it's got stuff about WiMAX base stations in your home and why WiMAX is a great solution for rural areas.
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Yes, cost per megabyte plus if they can maximize their spectrum usage, it is lesser than both HSDPA and EV-DO.
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It's not cheaper when you look at the fact that they're spending billions of dollars to deploy an entirely new network. Both EVDO and HSPA+ simply require software upgrades to the base stations. That alone is going to keep the cost of WiMax to the subscriber around the same rates we are seeing with EVDO and HSPDA right now.
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So... the new WiMAX is only going to be 4 times faster than current EVDO speeds? Let's just be nice and say they get a 6Mbs download speed with their 4G data. Isn't that a little sad considering other networks will have a faster 3G network by the time they have their WiMAX up?
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Hmmm. Does the OP think VZW is just going to sit on their collective butts till 4Q07 and do nothing with current data speeds?
While "Why Max, Why?" may be looking good now, it'll likely be 2nd fiddle (or 3rd, 4th) by that time. Oh, and end of 2008? Those 100M users will be enjoying much faster speeds on VZW's upgraded data network.
While "Why Max, Why?" may be looking good now, it'll likely be 2nd fiddle (or 3rd, 4th) by that time. Oh, and end of 2008? Those 100M users will be enjoying much faster speeds on VZW's upgraded data network.
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wimax in theory is capable of over 50mps. And as one pointed out will carry data and voice via voip. There for if you can get both unlimited for 50 a month you think no one will??
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and verizon has capped data and they don't allow streaming so it won't matter.
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lets not forget that sprint still works their broadband off the same network they use their voice off of. that right there immediately slows it down, and what's sprints 3 billion invested over three years compared to verizon's 5.8 billion every year? that makes a huge differece alone. and for the adding 100 million customers in the fourth quarter of 07 is vertually impossible, espesically for sprint, seeing since they are actually losing more customers then they are gaining. just look at last quarter's numbers.
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Actually Sprint's Q4 '06 numbers were better (not by much) but still a bit better than those of Q3 '06. Hopefully that trends continues into 2007...
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ālets not forget that sprint still works their broadband off the same network they use their voice off of.āĀ What does this have to deal with anything? So does Verizon and it with other carriers. Speeds also vary on other events too such as capacity, coverage, weather etc. I donāt understand your point when you mentioned that. Slowing down, well thatās obviously, but when I had REV O it was pretty fast and when I have REV A it is even faster on both the DL and the UL. Well, if you add in their total customers they are gaining not losing but with postpaid they are, but the problem is and the majority of those who are leaving are on the IDEN platform. The dual mode devices are slowly turning that down as they have already 200k on that network....
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They wonāt even mention how many data users are on that EV-DO network while Sprint does so you know something is wrong with Verizonās offerings.
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Well, it looks like they are, because they have no plans to do any type of 4G technology that competes with Sprint or T-mobile or Cingular. REV B wonāt compete well against Wimax or HSDPA either. That is why Wimax and HSPDA/HSUPA could be problematic to Verizonās EV-DO and that is why I keep on mentioning my problem that I see that Verizon will face in the future with their Wireless division. (IE Verizon Wireless.)
Wimax is actually better than both HSDPA/HSUPA and EV-DO and I have typed about that on the Sprint forum as well as others. You can look at the speed differential, latency issues, coverage and capacity differences, but more importantly cost savings and spectrum efficiency.
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Wimax is actually better than both HSDPA/HSUPA and EV-DO and I have typed about that on the Sprint forum as well as others. You can look at the speed differential, latency issues, coverage and capacity differences, but more importantly cost savings and spectrum efficiency.
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Here is a quote from Andy Seybold from wireless4mobility, he has been around cellular longer than many people in this forum have been alive.
Roy - Los Angeles, CA: Mr Seybold, an earlier answer you posted seems quite negative on WiMax. With all the investment behind it from Intel, Samsung, Sprint, Motorola etc... what are your expectations for WiMax. Thanks
Andy Seybold: Roy, I am not "negative" on WiMAX it is just not the jump in technology that the companies trying to promote it pretend that it is. It is comparabile with today's fully mobile EV-DO and UMTS systems when it is compared on a like for like spectrum basis. There is a place for WiMAX but it is NOT a 4G or existing Wireless killer, it is another wireless technology that has ...
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Roy - Los Angeles, CA: Mr Seybold, an earlier answer you posted seems quite negative on WiMax. With all the investment behind it from Intel, Samsung, Sprint, Motorola etc... what are your expectations for WiMax. Thanks
Andy Seybold: Roy, I am not "negative" on WiMAX it is just not the jump in technology that the companies trying to promote it pretend that it is. It is comparabile with today's fully mobile EV-DO and UMTS systems when it is compared on a like for like spectrum basis. There is a place for WiMAX but it is NOT a 4G or existing Wireless killer, it is another wireless technology that has ...
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It would be pointless if they can't cover many areas but if they can cover the whole country, this may be a huge gain for them.
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Sprint actually has enough blocks of 2.5Ghz licenses to cover the entire country. Before the buyout, Sprint and Nextel each had the largest 2.5Ghz holdings of all the telecoms and each company's licenses were largely complementary to the other.
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Yes, they have a lot of spectrum in the MMDS band to deploy Wimax, but more specificity in the 2.5ghz band they cover 85% of the top markets in this country. Moreover, they can do deals with Clear Wire and those types of companies to expand that footprint.
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The path Verizon Wireless is seem to be taken is to continue with the CDMA Technology, which is really fast with EVDO rev. C (Ultra Mobile Broadband) with a peak download of 280 Mbps.
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Yea, I agree that Wimax will destroy Verizonās EV-DO offering especially since Mobile Wimax on certain spectrum requirements and efficiency will deliver up to 75mb/s and up to 20 or so miles of coverage. This will not only destroy Verizonās EV-DO offering, it will go pretty strongly against HSDPA/HSUPA offerings offered by the Cingularās of the world.
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even if sprint was really able to put up a new network such as this, revision c for verizon will already be out and this will be old technology by that time. sprint does not have the open cash flow to support such a network at what they claim it will be able to do
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Well, they are starting to deploy REV a now, so REV C that is developed by Qualcomm has to make that standard available. If Verizon does it, Sprint could do it prior because they always have deals that entitle them to have further upgrades. Such as from REV O to REV A without any problems. They first have to upgrade to REV B if they see fit- not sure, if that is in their plans.
Sprint has plenty of cash flow to spend on these new technologies. In addition, if they have problems, they could always raise the capital by issuing debt and other means. Money isnāt an issue for Sprint or for Verizon in this case. The only thing that is important is the spectrum allocations and frankly, Verizon doesnāt have it to go to 4G+, while Sprint doesnāt....
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Sprint has plenty of cash flow to spend on these new technologies. In addition, if they have problems, they could always raise the capital by issuing debt and other means. Money isnāt an issue for Sprint or for Verizon in this case. The only thing that is important is the spectrum allocations and frankly, Verizon doesnāt have it to go to 4G+, while Sprint doesnāt....
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Well, they are starting to deploy REV a now, so REV C that is developed by Qualcomm has to make that standard available. If Verizon does it, Sprint could do it prior because they always have deals that entitle them to have further upgrades. Such as from REV O to REV A without any problems. They first have to upgrade to REV B if they see fit- not sure, if that is in their plans.
Sprint has plenty of cash flow to spend on these new technologies. In addition, if they have problems, they could always raise the capital by issuing debt and other means. Money isnāt an issue for Sprint or for Verizon in this case. The only thing that is important is the spectrum allocations and frankly, Verizon doesnāt have it
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No, I donāt underestimate how much cash Verizon has because they have a lot of both cash and cash flow, but they also have a lot of debt ($36B). Moreover, you also have to take into account they are spending a total of $17.1B in total capital expenditures for both their Wireless and Wireline division. They have $23B in cash flow. Every company can afford to buy out companies and buy out spectrum especially if they have the means to do so, but more importantly in this market, they can always issue more shares and more debt or an IPO such as in the cases of a few companies who were in the AWS auction. I give this company a lot of credit, but not on their wireless business, because with the amount of money they spend on it, they should seek mor...
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