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does cingular really have more towers?

Sprint74

Feb 27, 2007, 6:52 PM
i was in a cingular store today and was told they have more towers than verizon....but their map doesn't look too impressive....is this because they just took all of at&t's towers?
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Hayate

Feb 27, 2007, 7:00 PM
It isn't a matter of how many towers either provider has (though it's possible that Cingular has more towers, I'm not sure). If you look at the population in the areas covered by both companies, Cingular has coverage in areas that have more people.

A recent report shows Cingular covering 296 million, Verizon covering 256 million, Sprint covering 275 million, T-Mobile covering 239 million, and Alltell covering 77 million. Cingular also has more customers by about 1.5 million.
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Sprint74

Feb 27, 2007, 7:07 PM
ok, can you honestly tell me who has a better network in terms of having service if you treavel the US? i travel to different areas....give me an honest answer not just a verizon answer....thanks!
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Hayate

Feb 27, 2007, 7:20 PM
I personally have Cingular, actually. I've got a few friends who have Verizon. I honestly haven't seen a significant difference between the two. I live in northern Arizona (fairly rural area), and I travel to Phoenix, Las Vegas, San Francisco, San Jose, Anaheim, and Los Angeles semi-regularly and have had no problems in any of those places or on the way there. I've also gone to conventions with tons of electronics and tens of thousands of people crammed into a convention center and I've had no problems since I got Cingular. When I got T-Mobile I couldn't pick up signal in those convention centers.

I've had friends that have gone to New Mexico and Texas with no problems. My uncle has Cingular as well. He lives in New Hampshire and t...
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jjgreene

Feb 28, 2007, 12:04 AM
Carriers are phasing out towers, but its merely to make more room on them for the newer technology coming out, since a lot of towers get shared with multiple carriers, there is only soooo much room....

cingy for example is totally shutting down their legacy TDMA service in early 2008.....this will allow them to either add a GSM Freq to that tower or their upgraded UMTS(HSDPA).
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BellaWood

Mar 1, 2007, 4:26 PM
Well I'm here in the midwest and at work we have Cingular but I personally have Verizon.

When I travel Florida, Wisconsin, Chicago, St. Louis, Houston, Nashville I don't have any problems.

We don't have problems with either service locally.

BUT my girlfriend has Cingular and when we are in Wisconsin she doesn't get service in some areas and I do.
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007nomad

Feb 28, 2007, 1:23 PM
All the carriers use agreements with otheres to built out their national plans. The Alltel national plan covers about the same number of people as the larger carriers. Alltel claims the largest area covered, which matters if you get into rural areas.
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jrfdsf

Feb 27, 2007, 7:12 PM
Verizon has more roaming agreements with its carriers (especially out west) as does Sprint. A lot of the coverage is analog too.

Cingular when it went to GSM started phasing out their TDMA/analog systems and are now going all GSM. Analog is still the king in terms of nationwide coverage.

Where Cingular does have coverage, it's pretty thick (usually). It's really a matter of where you live and work, and your travel habits as to who will cover you best.
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anarchy

Feb 27, 2007, 7:14 PM
Yes
Cingular has more towers to answer your question.....
...verizon's cdma towers are able to handle more calls and data then cingular's gsm towers however.
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jjgreene

Feb 28, 2007, 12:08 AM
I don't ever have trouble getting a channel on a tower to make a phone call...and i'm in Miami one of Cingy's biggest markets.
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007nomad

Feb 28, 2007, 1:43 PM
This is marketing hype, it might be true, but it's not important.

they have more subscribers, so all things being equal they need more towers to serve their customers.

but all things aren't equal;
CDMA is more spectrum efficient (more calls / MHz), so it might need fewer cell sites to do the same job.

The higher the frequency band, the smaller the coverage area, and more sites.

There are other technical issues that determine cell size.

What matters is do they cover where you go?

The Cingular map shows much less rural coverage than Verizon, Sprint or Alltel. And even then their disclaimer "Map may include areas served by unaffiliated carriers, and may depict their licensed area rather than an approximation of their coverag...
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RUFF1415

Feb 28, 2007, 10:39 PM
007nomad said:Someone said Cingular spends more, note they have been spending to convert and upgrade the old ATT wireless system they bought, so costs would be higher.

Not that it's that important, but Cingular's network expenditure quotes in their press releases are solely GSM expansion expenditures. That leaves out the AT&T integration, TDMA maintenance, and HSDPA upgrades.

Even so, Cingular has been putting more money into the network annually even before they purchased AT&T.
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the_eraser

Feb 28, 2007, 10:44 PM
RUFF1415 said:
007nomad said:Someone said Cingular spends more, note they have been spending to convert and upgrade the old ATT wireless system they bought, so costs would be higher.

Not that it's that important, but Cingular's network expenditure quotes in their press releases are solely GSM expansion expenditures. That leaves out the AT&T integration, TDMA maintenance, and HSDPA upgrades.

Even so, Cingular has been putting more money into the network annually even before they purchased AT&T.


And it shows! 😉 No other carrier has improved more than Cingular.
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gunny

Feb 28, 2007, 10:46 PM
don't you mean know other carrier still needs more improvement then cingular 😎
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gunny

Feb 28, 2007, 10:44 PM
yes they have the most towers and power you should port they're totally awesome! 😎
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droneboy

Mar 1, 2007, 10:23 AM
as I understand it, GSM has a shorter rangerthan CDMA, so for an equal sized coverage area, cingular would have to have more towers becasue each tower covers less area
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RUFF1415

Mar 1, 2007, 3:47 PM
That is not true. The range a cellular tower's signal can travel depends greatly on the location, height, and frequency of the tower and has little to do with what interface it uses.Both a CDMA and a GSM cell site will have the same range as long as all things are equal concerning the location, height, and frequency.

I believe what you may have heard is that CDMA has a higher capacity than GSM and requires less antennas per tower to handle data and calls.
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