yes- i am very serious..

this country is at war with enemies who want the west and its allies finished..

this country is spending hundreds of billions of dollars on the war on terrorism- least we can do is give information about our daily and cellular lives.

they can do whatever they please, for all i care, to keep us safe and if that means spying on our every move then so be it.

how will our records be misused? are people hiding something?

I would have to agree, it's not like you have anything to really hide.

exactly...

its kinda like security at an airport. if you have nothing to hide then who cares, if you have something to hide then you are in trouble..

its the same principle here.

How the hell is getting on an airplane and a private call to your friend the same?

whats with the tone?

all i said was that they are invading your privacy either or.

An airport isn't your home or your cell phone. It's owned by corporation who decided to comply with government. I've never given the government permission to view my records.

the point i have been trying to convey to you is that, the gov already is involved with our lives, if one has nothing to hide, who cares.

Its just one more example of the government intruding into private lives. In all honesty, if they were to evesdrop on me, they would know that I'm either on my way to work, heading to the bar or ordering a pizza...but still, thats my private life...big brother's watching (well listening), read 1984 and you'll understand

maybe im confused. are you all under the impression that the government hasnt been doing this for a while, with or without our knowledge? because you are sorely misguided. if "they" wanna know who you call, they will know. besides, the only calls they are really interested in are international calls. how many of you actually call afghanistan on a regular basis?

nextel18 said:
yes- i am very serious..

this country is at war with enemies who want the west and its allies finished..

this country is spending hundreds of billions of dollars on the war on terrorism- least we can do is give information about our daily and cellular lives.

they can do whatever they please, for all i care, to keep us safe and if that means spying on our every move then so be it.

how will our records be misused? are people hiding something?

And that's exactly the mistake us made. Hundreds of billions of dollars are being spent on a war that has no ending in sight. A war that shouldn't have begun in the first place. A war of supposedly Sudam Hussien having nuclear weapons....
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Amen brother!!!

you guys probabaly get your kicks by watching the left wing crap that msnbc and cnn report which is also half the truth. The Bush Administration has made this country safer. They are only doing the same thing FDR was doing aftger WWII when he has all telegrams in the us screened

bocephus81 said:
you guys probabaly get your kicks by watching the left wing crap that msnbc and cnn report which is also half the truth. The Bush Administration has made this country safer. They are only doing the same thing FDR was doing aftger WWII when he has all telegrams in the us screened

Whose talking about watching CNN or MSNBC? I don't listen to what the American media has to say period. There all half truths. Bush Administration has made the country safer? How so? So safe they knew there was going to be a terriost attack and didn't do crap about it? WWII was about what? thanks i believe since you brought it up you can answer that on your own. Which again it isn't the same. The first month...
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we arent in freedom when we are at war; we have to do everything in our disposal to fend off the enemy. we lost our freedom when we were attacked.

I agree there. But we were the ones who engaged in this war and personally I think we're going after the wrong people. I don't know, but if they can spy so well on us why can't they do so to track Osama? 🤣

well, if there are no relation between our records and any terrorism then everything is a GO, but if there are any questions/problems then they have a right to analyse it. its basically saying, what are we hiding if we cant submit the phone records?

if there is no wrongdoing on our part then we have nothing to worry about..

lol. good point with Osama. lol.

you know USA's intellegence is horrible.

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if USA actually had good intellegence then maybe they would find him but they dont..

What if he's in the US under their noses... wouldn't that be crazy? 🤣

yea lol..

US still couldnt find him .

lol.

nextel18 said:
if USA actually had good intellegence then maybe they would find him but they dont..

Whick is why it's OK for the government to track us. They're incompetence in capturing the REAL terrorists will be inogred, while slowly but surely they take our rights.

Look, I live a boring life and I can sit and not worry about the government coming after me, but I'm not.

There's a reason why we have the 4th amendment.

There's a reason why the government needs a warrent the spy on people domestically (there isn't a judge in this country that would refuse such a request if it's for terrorism).

There's a reason why we have the stored communications act.
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/05/11/telc »...
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but, what are we hiding if people will hide the telephone numbers? we already give away more information such as financial and others so who cares if they have our calls?

nextel18 said:
but, what are we hiding if people will hide the telephone numbers? we already give away more information such as financial and others so who cares if they have our calls?

That's because corporations and private parties are not bound by Constitutional restraints. If you buy something from
them, they don't need a warrant to let the government know what you're buying. A phone call is differnet. It's considered private and it is protected by the 4th amendent.

If the government needs this info so badly, why couldn't they just get a warrant?

Also, if in fact it is legal then again why don't they get warrants?

perhaps getting a warrant takes too long?

we have no privacies now so it doesnt make a differnce especially when we are in war. (and we are)

i say if you have nothing to hide then let them, if you have something to hide people then thats their problem.

nextel18 said: perhaps getting a warrant takes too long?

So it's okay for me to circumvent the law, when it takes too long to do something. Give me a break.

we have no privacies now so it doesn't make a difference especially when we are in war. (and we are)

Yup, just like when we put innocent Japanese-American civilians into interment camps, because they didn't trust them. Guess what Nextel18, just because we are at war DOES NOT give the government the right to do what it wants. I'm sure that's exactly how our founding fathers envisioned this government.

i say if you have nothing to hide then let them, if you have something to hide peoplhen e then thats their problem.

That's not the point. THE GOVERNMENT...
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wow, you seem very testy and hiding something yourself.

gov is allowed to protect people and if that includes what they are doing now then so be it- if you dont like it, leave the country or just comply becuase you have nothing to hide.

nextel18 said:
wow, you seem very testy and hiding something yourself.

gov is allowed to protect people and if that includes what they are doing now then so be it- if you dont like it, leave the country or just comply becuase you have nothing to hide.

Dude, China is calling for Nextel18.

Same here. This subject gets me 😡

...and thanks to them being able to rummage through our phone calls, read our mail, & track our purchases there's not an internment camp in my back yard with a bunch of Arab, Muslim, Pakis , etc in it...

Ever heard of learning from history dca and those arab camps aren't here, there in Eureope on our ships.

From the Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article ... »

Precisely, those people were rounded up by raids done on training camps, terrorist bases, etc. Not the local 7-11 down the road or the dry-cleaners and brought to Texas and made to wash clothes. Wait a minute, I think I'm generalising too much with my examples. Pardon the semi-racist sentiment, but: I'm not saying the GOV is trying to convince you this is necessary but it's gonna' get done.

Now I know all the conspiracy theorists making the documentaries on IFC about some guy in London picked up in the middle of the night and left in a prison for two years, blah blah blah. They must have confused him with the professor in Florida....

dca said:
Precisely, those people were rounded up by raids done on training camps, terrorist bases, etc. Not the local 7-11 down the road or the dry-cleaners and brought to Texas and made to wash clothes. Wait a minute, I think I'm generalising too much with my examples. Pardon the semi-racist sentiment, but: I'm not saying the GOV is trying to convince you this is necessary but it's gonna' get done.

Now I know all the conspiracy theorists making the documentaries on IFC about some guy in London picked up in the middle of the night and left in a prison for two years, blah blah blah. They must have confused him with the professor in Florida....

And how do you know who is on those ships?

Conspira...
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get overi t the government has been spying on us long before this ever came out. what do think the CIA was created for just spying on other countries? Hardly, they and the NSA have been spying on US citizens for years without warrants

ron mexico said:
nextel18 said: perhaps getting a warrant takes too long?

So it's okay for me to circumvent the law, when it takes too long to do something. Give me a break.

we have no privacies now so it doesn't make a difference especially when we are in war. (and we are)

Yup, just like when we put innocent Japanese-American civilians into interment camps, because they didn't trust them. Guess what Nextel18, just because we are at war DOES NOT give the government the right to do what it wants. I'm sure that's exactly how our founding fathers envisioned this government.

i say if you have nothing to hide then let them, if you have something to hide peoplhen e then thats their problem.

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Protege said:
I agree there. But we were the ones who engaged in this war and personally I think we're going after the wrong people. I don't know, but if they can spy so well on us why can't they do so to track Osama? 🤣

Because Osama didn't do it.

http://www.911research.com/disinfo/deceptions/binlad ... »

it was not him directly but it was drones of his terrorist organization Al-Qaeda that attack us the day and there were planes because there was wreckage

yep.. i am serious..

as i keep saying.. if you have nothing to hide then just comply, it will make this country safer..

But you aren't listening...there are no terrorists. If you had even glimpsed at some of the links on that page, you would start to doubt the official story.

Let me ask you something, did you know that a third building collapsed at the WTC that day?

😲 ... Have you heard the whole theory that it was not a plane that crashed at the pentagon, but a missile?

I have heard many people that say that, but I am wary of that theory. I know that there was no plane there, but I am unsure if it was a missile.

Have you read up on 9/11? I've been researching it for two years, and it's scary what I have found.

I've read a few theories on what really happened that day. What have you found?

I don't claim to know what happened that day, but I know what didn't happen.

There was no plane at the Pentagon, if you can find one, let me know.

There was no plane in Shanksville, PA.

The WTC was brought down by controlled demolition, as was WTC7, which nobody likes to talk about.

Check out www.universalseed.org

It has a lot of videos on there, and I realize your work computer probably isn't the best place to watch them, so when you get a chance, check them out. Loose Change is the best one...but all are good.

Also, check out Steven Jones' paper detailing how the molten metal found in the rubble of the towers could on have been caused by an explosive, such as thermite. His paper can be found here:

http://www.physics.by »...
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tht is totally bullshit how can you say there was no plan at the Pentagon and PA we all watched it and it was not just put on tv to scvare us you should be ashamed for even saying this

Okay, let me just ask this... I am not saying that I don't think that there was or wasn't a plane at the pentagon.... but why would they not put THAT on tv as to not scare us when every thirty seconds they just kept showing the planes crashing into the WTC towers over and over and over and over again? That scared the living HELL out of me... watching as people hung out of windows, clinging to what life they had left, then JUMPING, falling to their deaths? And they wouldn't show a plane in a smaller storied building? Your reason is so they wouldn't scare us? Now, that's bulls**t. They want to scare us so that it will create public panic and that people will back the president up on going to war... it certainly worked.

I am not a conspirac...
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they told the public what they needed to know

good explanation.

funny the stuff that we need to know is stuff that is mostly made up now they are trying to backpedal and cover their rears now that a lot more has been discovered.

that is crazy there was no missle fired and if I were a family member of one of thise brave citizens that died that horriible day i would kcik you ass for saying that

there are no terrorists? lol.

Um, yeah...check this out...

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hijackers.html »

That's right, at least 7 of the hijackers are alive. Now, I don't know about you, but I find it hard to believe that they could crash a plane somewhere, have the plane dissapear, then show up on the other side of the world weeks later saying, "I'm here! Why is everybody blaming me for these attacks?!"

Again, do the research yourself...I'm just trying to spread the word. We've been lied to.

never belive what you read in the internet.

so your theory is that the government caused these 911 attacks and caused this country to lose $100s of billions (maybe even a trillion) of dollars? come on.

What?!?! Did you even read that full page? It was reported by the BBC just a couple weeks after the attacks that the "terrorists" were actually alive.

Did you even look at the sources for those documents? Did you even look at the rest of that site? You are just another sheep...grazing away as your shepard slowly takes more and more of your pasture away. There is no point in arguing with you...I just presented you will damning evidence and all you can come up with is, "Don't believe what you read on the internet..."

The internet is a safer source than TV...and until you wake up to the truth...you are just another drone...

God help us... 😳

nope; i dont read bias information that is slated to "no terrorists" lol.

name calling? aww. someone is frustrated.

Bias information? Are you sure it's them who is bias? These are people that saw their pictures on TV, hearing how they supposedly just crashed a plane into a building in America, and went to the embassy to find out what was going on...

I am frustrated...I thought you would be more open to the truth. I have always respected you on this forum...

If you don't want to do the research, then you will never listen...

Look at www.911research.com and decide for yourself...millions have woken up to the truth...will you?

yep; they all lead to one thing by saying these events never took place etc... etc.. etc.. when obviously something happened and it caused this country $100s of billions if not trillions of dollars.

as i said before, why would the gov cause such a devistating blow to this economy by making up the events of 911?

Did I saw that we made up the events? No. We all saw planes hit the towers. That is fact. We all saw them come down. That is fact.

What I am saying is that they faked the Pentagon crash and the one in Shanksville. Don't believe me? Look at the pictures and videos from that day, if you can find a plane, I've heard there is a reward for you. Do a search for "Spot the Boeing" and you will find a website that does just that...if you can find a plane, I think they have prize money for you.

Now, why would they do it? How else would they gain public support for invading Iraq? We have seen that Iraw had nothing to do with terrorists, and Saddam, while being a dick, had nothing to do with Al CIAda.

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i am not going to stay home tonight lol.. its friday. come on..

anyway, i am talking about the whole attacks on 911.

you still didnt answer my questions..

saddam said he had WMDS and they attacked.. it is kinda that simple.. next is iran..

you read too much of bias information.

Well then we are still waiting for the WMDs...

Even if we did find them...it's the ones we SOLD TO THEM!!!

No, you just listen to the mainstream media too much...

Do the research yourself...then email me:

AskQuestionsDemandAnswers@gmail.com

well it was a good excuse, if there is no wmds, to get into iraq and get rid of him.

So it was okay that they lied to us about a threat that really wasn't there...so that we could invade a country and "liberate" the people from a dictatorship by BOMBING THEM?!

Do you know how many people have died since we invaded them?!

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/ »

Min:35119
Max:39296

Now, tell me how life is better for those people now that we "liberated" them?

It's an older article, but it shows just how the Iraqis are being treated.

http://www.antiwar.com/jamail/?articleid=4039 »

For more info visit:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/archive_iraq_aftermath.h ... »

Thanks America! We are so much better off now that your here!

(As long as I don't get tied up, or tortured, or bombed, or shot....)

I just want to put my two cents in... I know that this topic has gone WAAAAAY out into left field...

But, I personally don't care who listens to what I have to say. As one person said, I live a very boring life. If they were listening in on my conversations, all they would hear is what I need from the store, telling my mom how I am, and complaining to my husband about how dirty the house is... BUT, if you are going to listen in on my conversations, you better do it legally! If I can't listen on the line while my husband is on the phone with a rude telemarketer or what-have-you without having first announce my presence, why in the world does the government think that they can just tap in on my phone calls whenever they feel like it?

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nextel18 said:
yep.. i am serious..

as i keep saying.. if you have nothing to hide then just comply, it will make this country safer..

You know another counties like China, N. Korea, and Iran have these policies Nextel18 keeps saying. So I guess we're just following the leader.

The government is not a corporation, Nextel18 just stfu and gbtw.

why do you even bother posting these posts?

you seem to be angry at a very simple idea that protects the American people. perhaps you dont care, but i do.

But what you don't understand is that they are using the phantom "terrorists" to take away your liberties and invade your privacy.

How long has to "Terror Alert" been ELEVATED?

And how many attacks have there been on the US?

There was one in London, which btw, they just denied an investigation of it, claiming they need to focus more on preventing another attack, rather than finding out the truth about the attack that did happen. Again, just like 9/11, they blame it on gross incompetence, yet nobody is fired. 🙄

i understand plenty.. its you and others who dont seem to understand.. this is to protect this country. it seems like you and others either 1. dont care or 2. dont understand.

that is why there are these things in place among other intellegence things to protect us and that is why we are spending $100s of billions on this war on terror and will continue until the terrorists are gone.

as i keep saying, as soon as there was war declared on terrorism, we now have no freedom.

i dont see what the big deal is unless you are hiding something..

How is giving up your freedom making you any safer? You keep saying that same corporate shiat comply or else, which in reality doesn't work. We have laws to stop things like this from happening and like I said all the adminstration had to do was get a warrant, that's it.

I am angry. Angry that 3,000 people died and this government uses it as an excuse to delete our freedoms. 👿

Angry that this adminstration used false info to justify a war in Iraq, which had nothing to do with 9/11. 👿

Angry that anytime someone dares to question the government, your labeled a terrorist or your unpatriotic cause you dare question the leader. 👿

Angry that this adminstration continually covers up Saudi Arabia, despite the fact 19 O...
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see; its people like you who dont know how to argue responsibily and civily.

you have nothing to hide, then put the information.. (seems like you do)

🤣 🤣

😎

It's not that we have anything to hide...we just don't think it is right for them to do it when there are perfectly LEGAL ways to go about it, they just decide not to.

Sorry Nextel18... You are the MAN when it comes to the wireless industry but I have to agree with the Captain here. I dont think the gov. has the right to bend or break the rules. If they did it legally I would not have a problem with it but if they can just bend the rules whenever they want who's to say they will stop here. Also, it's kinda suspicious how they keep everything all secretive and we come to find out through a mole on the inside. Dont you think that raises some eyebrows as to what they're really doing with the data?

no problem.

i actually dont think it raises any concerns what so ever becuase as i keep on saying, if it protects us then who cares.. if they do it legally or not, they still will do it, no one will challenge it, but it will keep us safe.

FOR THE LAST TIME...THEY MAKE YOU THINK IT WILL KEEP YOU SAFE!!!

They couldn't give a damn about us! Here we are, occupying one of the biggest oil producing countries in the world...yet we are now pushing over $3 a gallon now. Isn't that a bit suspicious? They pay $1, we pay $3...hmmmmm.

why dont you answer the question?

you want to debate oil with me? lol.

do you know why oil is where it is?

1. infrastructure and refinerie problems..

its that simple

we have ample supply especially if we need to tap into the alaska areas as well as our SPR. the only problem is the lack of refinery infrasructure.


do you understand?

What questions?

As far as oil goes...yes, there is plenty of oil in Alaska and Canada...but there is no reason for us to be paying soooo much when we have so much at our hands...

But oil aside...we are talking about how we were lied to...

Again, look at the sites I have shown to you...then talk to me...have you even looked at 911research?

lol..

you keep changing the subject from oil to 911..

you have no idea how oil supply and demand works.. please dont say such stupidity..

next. with 911 you didnt answer my question regarding that either..

if you cant; perhaps we should end the debate..

And I asked you...what question did you ask?

nextel18, I love you. I just thought that you would be a lot more open-minded about this whole situation. You are attacking the people who don't agree with what you think happened. The government has blinded us to make us think that "everything will be all right" patted us on the head with a little terror alert, and will give us a little snack of "gas rebates" so that they can earn our trust, kidnap our rights, and have reasons to beat up a country or a society because they don't agree with what big daddy US had to say.

The moment that someone does not agree with the government, you are labeled a terrorist. We really need to focus our energy as a governemt on finding the people who are a threat to the country. And they need to make the "...
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it is too bad, becuase this is what we have to deal with.

What the hell? If you haven't noticed, I've given you a ton of examples. Do you need me the to define a warrart for you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrant_%28law%29 »

The president does not have unlimited to power to do what he wants (i.e. the seperation of powers).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_powers »

You'll notice in the judicary branch that they have the power to issue warrants and they will have the lasy say in what is unconstitutional (which is what unwarranted domestic spying is).

You continue to question my character. Here:

Chuck Ramy
3 Skyline dr
Mankato, Minnesota

If I'm so unamerican, I'd suggest you print this and give to your local law enforcement.

i dont really care about your examples...

i care if this country is protected and with these things that maybe questionable or not it still gets the job done.

that is all i care about.

Of course...you don't care that your president continuously breaks laws that he doesn't need to break. You don't care if he is appointing the head of the CIA the exact person that was in charge of the NSA during the times the wiretappings happened...

As long as you feel a bit safer from the boogeyman terrorists, it's okay? What about the ID cards they plan on implementing? Will you feel safer when you no longer have cash, but rather everything you do is recorded? Will you feel safe when police ask, "Citizen, ID, please." "Where are you going? What for? When?"

Oh, wait...that's how it is now... 😲

I'll quote Ben Franklin now...

"Those who would give up essential liberty for a little temporary security deserve neither."

yep..

as long as the citizens are safe during the times of war, they gov should do anythign neccessary to keep it that way...

as i keep saying, we dont need another 911 becuase it would devistate this ecomony.. (as it already is)

We (the people) never needed 9/11, but the Neo-Cons needed it for their war.

Ever hear of the Project For a New American Century? Probably not...

Check out their website and see if it doesn't scare you at least a little bit...look at their goals, then look at who is involved in it.

www.newamericancentury.com

it is a fact that when countries are at war, personal freedoms are sacrificed, but is it justifiable, yes-no, we are currently at war(im gonna hear a lot of duhs)the war is not happening on our soil, there hasnt been a war that happened on our soil since the civil war, we've been attacked a few times, but if pple noticed, we are living our lives normally, i dont feel unsafe, in fact i feel very safe, i always felt i was safe in this country even in the post-911 era. so i dont feel our rights should be restricted unless the war is actually on our soil(i pray that doesnt happen but i seriously doubt it)

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We complain that the government did not do enough to stop 9-11. Then when they try new steps we complain. Now I don't know if tracking calls will help, but I do know it won't hurt. I am willing to give up some of my freedom to help my country be safe. Just my thoughts right or wrong they are mine....

They didn't do enough because that document (weekly or daily presidential briefings) that they had in the month before 9-11 that was titled "Bin Laden determined to strike in the U.S." was completely ignored. This has absolutely nothing to do with not doing enough to stop something. If they want to get this information it would not take more than a couple of hours to go before a judge and request a warrant and do it all legally.

A quote from one of the most influential Americans ever and one that helped found this country:

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"
-- Benjamin Franklin

bigjerm said:
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"
-- Benjamin Franklin

One of the things this country was founded upon was that the government has no right to go invading our lives. If they want to wiretap people and get this type of information it would take them a couple of hours to go to a judge and request a warrant. It is that simple, it needs to be done legally and this certainly does not fall under a category that would be considered legal.

It's not illegal

Just because he is the President of the U.S. and he has auth from the FISA laws to do this type of thing does not make it correct. It may not be illegal in terms of law, but it is wrong and illegal in thought from what this country is founded upon. And please don't come back with something that it was different over 200 years ago. Let's not defend someone that was briefed a month before 9/11 with a document titled "Bin Laden determined to strike in the US" and did nothing to act upon that. Regardless if I have nothing to hide, which I don't, my numbers should not be there for anyone to look at without a warrant and reason, it takes a couple of hours to get a warrant and gain credibility. This man claims he is fighting a war on terror in Iraq...
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Get off your high horse, this is not a unilateral thing the US took upon.

First off, I'm not on a horse. Secondly, you are correct it is a multilateral group of troops that are there. With about 85 - 90% being American and the rest under the impression that there were WMD in Iraq. I, myself supported the war at the time when I was fed lies by the administration that Iraq was a threat to us. I was also a Bush supporter at one time, but here we are 3 years later in a worse state over there then before after the "mission was accomplished." Tell me something in my previous entry that I am incorrect about, I dare you to find something. Open your eyes and don't always believe what the government tells you is true, think for yourself and have an opinion for once that is what this country is about, free thought and speech...
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Here is the bottom line, if you talk to the majority of the troops that have been to Iraq and they will say that the weapons were transfered from Iraq to Iran, Syria and other surrounding countries. We didn't find anything when we went there that is a given, but whats to say that the weapons were not moved out to other countries.
When it comes to the wiretapping, that should of never been leaked I think that the reporters that posted the story should be charged with treason, because its a security breech to the country. All that does is give away a stragety that we use to fight terror. The goverment was not tapping everyones lines just the lines that "suspected" terriost were connected to. If the goverment wants to listen in on my...
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Wow, I thought this was a phone website...

ENOUGH W/ THIS THREAD!! TAKE IT TO THE CNN FORUM OR WHERE THE HELL EVER ELSE, BUT NOT HERE!!! 👿 👿 👿

Come on. They have satellite pictures at the UN showing where he had WMD but they couldnt see him moving nukes. Be real. The fact that no country surrounding Iraq would deal with them should tip you off a little. Syria, Iran, Kuwait, Turkey, Jordan, neither of which has a chummy relationship with Suddam. They manipulated evidence to show what they wanted and tried to make everyone who was against the war seem un-american for not supporting it. Now everyone is seeing that when it comes to this, they screwed up and lied.

The U.S. has nukes too and we are the only ones to date to use it against somebody, which def needed to be done cause in the long run it saved lives. But stop believing it was about WMD and open your eyes. Maybe the World's 3rd largest oil reserves have something to do with it.

This is the last thing I will say in regards to this, because it is the wrong place to talk about it since it is a phone forum, but things would be a lot more believable if we were taking care of business in Afghanistan and finding Osama as opposed to giving our enemies all around the World more "ammo" and battle cries for their cause by what we are doing in Iraq and completely forgetting about where the whole war on terror started. And yes I am aware that there are still troops in Afghanistan.