Very good point about the roaming with cingular. The entire network is digital and will not switch over to analog for roaming. This is only a problem if you live in and stay in the sticks like braintortured. The fact is that people do use thier phone for work and travel in and out of the USA. I did make the switch this week and am going to pay to break my agreement with sprint because I believe that is is a smart decision from a business standpoint. Both networks work virtually everywhere I travel but sprint simply does not offer a selection of phones that have a multiple (personal & business) uses. If you are stuck in the sticks sprint may be just fine but if you actually use your phone to make money then cingular is the right choice....
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how many blackberrys do you need?

"variety" the key word here

so do oyu want the blackberry that does e-mail or the blackberry that does e-mail?

I think they want the blackberry that does the e-mail...

well Cingular offers two types of blackberrys, one that has a full qwerty keyboard, but is quite large, and another that shares keys among letters and is smaller and more phone like. both have bluetooth and both have large screens.

Dude, I think he got the one that does e-mail

mine won't get email for some reason, i think i need the other blackberry.

I hate berries

i totally agree with you 🙂

What are you talking about. I have the Moto v551. I am still trying to find a place where it does work I've been through three of them. I can't find anyplace in the united states where it works at all. Constant dropped calls and missed calls. That is the most horrible cellphone ever created by man. What happened to motorola. They seem to have forgotten how to make cell phones work.

Yeah, motorola phones suck bad! I had one and when I switched to the Nokia 6620 I suddenly had a full signal everywhere that my motorola had 1-3 bars, I used to think that it was the network, but I realized that it was probably the phone, I wish that Cingular would offer some of the Nokia flip phones that way the customers would stop complainig about Cingulars network when they are holding a MOTO in their hand.

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then why are you even posting in this forum?

people that do things like make posts like that one are the types of people that are referred to in a forum like this one as "trolls" because they say something that they KNOW is going to be disagreed with, just to stir up the hornet's nest and see what types of arguments they can cause

i agree t-mob has an awsome selection of 3g phones!!! 🙄

stevelvl said:
i agree t-mob has an awsome selection of 3g phones!!! 🙄

I love the sarcasm. But I believe his point was that there are fewer complaints about t-mobile and cingy phones because they don't cripple features on the phones.

That is a good point but I was actually referring to the variety of styles and features in their phones as compared to the lackluster, almost repetitious lineup that Verizon offers. At least that's what I most often read in the Verizon Forums...

I wasn't talking in terms of 3G phones, I was talking in general. T-Mobile and Cingular's overall lineup has more of a variety when it comes to features and styles of phones, when comparing to Verizon's repetitious lineup. The same phone over and over again. Take a peak into the Verizon forum and notice how many and how long the threads are that have titles like "When will Verizon ever get good phones?". Then scan through Cingular and T-Mobile's forums and look for anything of the sort, you won't have much luck.

You cannot sit their and deny that Verizon's phone lineup has become somewhat redundant over the years. 🙄

verizons line up? 🤭 opps i thought ti was in the sprint forum?

You said:

i agree t-mob has an awsome selection of 3g phones!!! 🙄

That was said with sarcasm and since Verizon is the only U.S. provider with 3G phones out there, don't act like I was the one who brought up Verizon's line up, you ass.

I forgot bluetooth and airport, along with internal antenna(did i spell that right?

How old is that report? Motorola announced yesterday a successor to the RAZR. Yes, I remember the report about the CDMA RAZR, but isn't that what I'm talking about? The exciting, new, feature rich phones aren't being made for the CDMA carriers. in addition, the carriers are making things worse by crippling features (Bluetooth) that would make the consumer buy the handset in the first place. OK, tell me where I'm wrong.

but they are coming to cdma, they just take a little longer b/c they need to be made secure!

IMHO, i get annoyed by any1 on this site who says anything about "crippled features" or "unlock codes" b/c those people are clearly supporters of a technology that is inherently insecure and theft-prone.

2 things that are most often mentioned in arguments between gsm vs. cdma : 1.SIM cards ... 2.so-called "crippled features"

1. pros - they give the consumer the ability to retain the data in their phone memory as they move from one phone to another
- also, they allow the consumer to use a phone with a service provider that the phone was not designed to be used on...this i disagree with, from a moral standpoint, much as i am against modifying...
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Lots of new car companies are adding BT to their vehicles. A quick search on another carriers site (the T site) find five BT handsets in different price ranges. The orange site has quite a few also, the CDMA carriers are being "Left Below" as Homer would say.

so you can use the bt *headset* profile for in-car speakerphone, what more do you want? and don't say that you want to use your phone as a bt mp3 player, 'cuz then we get into the whole network security/insecurity issue in which gsm customers seem to be so excited about sacrificing network secutiry in order to gain additional phone capabilities, and any knowledgable cdma cust will tell you that network security is more important than that and if you want to connect you mp3 player to your car using bt, then get a dell dj

Please name a wireless virus. The idea that limiting a handset capability in the name of network security doesn't make sense to me. The fact is the CDMA carriers want users to get ring tones, transfer pictures, and such only on their network, thats one way they make money. If a user can transfer data to and from a handset not using the wireless network, that represents a threat to the money stream. I did a google search for the name of a wireless virus, and didn't find any.

Baseball guy. You and I share the same views about DATA Arpu and data applications. You are right. It does effect their data arpu and their revenue stream (well another one) if they don’t get users to use the data products. Since you are talking about sprint, they do quite well because they are an industry leader with Data Arpu ($6). You mentioned that is the only way they make money, I would have to disagree with you on that one, because their voice arpu (sprint’s= $62), they make a ton of money too but their DATA arpu is just another revenue stream.

Let me be clear ... You are correct ... it is a part of the revenue stream. If i said only, I was wrong.

As I said earlier, it was not a big deal, just trying to help ya out. 🙂

No, no, I appreciate the help, I wasn't intending to sound bitchy. if I'm wrong about something, I'm happy to eat crow! 😁 I just think I'm right about this. I did some searching about wireless viruses, can't find a one!

"Some hot products, such as the BlackBerry PDA, are effectively immune, says Joe Hartmann, Trend Micro’s director of North American antivirus research."

Thank you sir, some people don’t appreciate help or correction, but oh well and you are welcome for the help and I will try help more if you are confused about something, because I am here to help, not to cause problems.

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I have actually heard of some cell phone viruses but I believe it had to do with the symbian OS, and not others.

I just looked on google and it showed me this, http://informationweek.com/story/showArticle. jhtml?articleID=164901703 . “Don't Worry Yet; Mobile Worms Won't Show Until '07
Mobile phone and PDA users have more than two years to get ready for a quick-spreading worm, security research analysts said as they poked holes in anti-virus vendors' hype about the immediate need for defenses.”

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Thanks for the info -- Great story in infoweek. Don't know if you saw my other post about my T608, it's great, I love it, but it's buggy. Glad you like your BB, but not sure if I would get one. It seems to me they are corvettes and I'd never get it out of second gear. I did look at a Treo 650 the other day and it seemed kinda heavy.

You are welcome for the information and no I did not see that you talked about your phone, sorry. 🙂 Yea, I love blackberry in general and mine, but I love my RIMM stock because it has been doing quite well for me over the years that I have been invested in that stock. RImm is such a great company with great products and I think you should look into them. yea, if you are on the go and you need a great tool that has full web pages, can view and send email and other tools such as that then it is for you, however, if you don’t need those tools then it isn’t for you. About Palm One, I would not get that because Rimm does such a better job in the United States market then palm one does, but if you were overseas then I would say go get a Palm...
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baseballguy2001 said:
How old is that report? Motorola announced yesterday a successor to the RAZR. Yes, I remember the report about the CDMA RAZR, but isn't that what I'm talking about? The exciting, new, feature rich phones aren't being made for the CDMA carriers. in addition, the carriers are making things worse by crippling features (Bluetooth) that would make the consumer buy the handset in the first place. OK, tell me where I'm wrong.

baseballguy2001 said:
How old is that report? Motorola announced yesterday a successor to the RAZR. Yes, I remember the report about the CDMA RAZR, but isn't that what I'm talking about? The exciting, new, feature rich phones aren't being made for the

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You are misunderstanding me ... You are correct when you say the RAZR has some inferior features compared to some of the handsets currently offered. That paticular model is also a year or so old. The new model just announced yesterday :

Main specification:

* 2-megapixel camera with LED and 8x digital zoom; Secondary VGA camera for video calls
* Internal and external color displays
* Bluetooth supports wireless stereo sound through compatible headset
* External memory via T-Flash cards up to 512MB
* Motorola's SCREEN3 technology
* Support of AAC+, MPEG4, WMV, WMA, MP3 and Real Video/Audio files

Still think I'm crying?

sprint will have a 5mp cam out befor that one. but the samsung a800 will still have more features then that one.

Motorola V3x RAZR is expected to be available in Q4 this year. Not one but two cameras, (2MP and a VGA) wireless stereo BT for mp3 play back, 512MB card, sounds like a feature rich handset to me. What model is the handset to which you are referring?

can you provide me a link to this alaged phone? i can't find it any where. i want to check it out for my self

Sure -- here is the product page

http://www.motorola.com/motoinfo/product/details/0,, ... »

dude, the nokia 6682 will be out next month for cingular and it kills the a800. the a800 only has a better camera (2pm compared to 1.3mp) everything else is nokia is better. more phone memory (over 1000 on the phone,more than 5 slots per name-250 on SIM card )higher byte rate video streaming for mobitv on EGDE network, mp3 player with expandable MMC card, and the phone is smaller. and to really but icing on the cake the 6682 is a smartphone. do your research on GSM before opening your mouth. 😉

Bigbmc26 said:
dude, the nokia 6682 will be out next month for cingular and it kills the a800. the a800 only has a better camera (2pm compared to 1.3mp) everything else is nokia is better. more phone memory (over 1000 on the phone,more than 5 slots per name-250 on SIM card )higher byte rate video streaming for mobitv on EGDE network, mp3 player with expandable MMC card, and the phone is smaller. and to really but icing on the cake the 6682 is a smartphone. do your research on GSM before opening your mouth. 😉

yeah lets compare pda phones to to regular phones that makes a lot of since. if you want to be part of this conversation atleast say something intelagent. if you want to compare the nokia 6682 to ...
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the 6682 isn't a pda, it's a smartphone. there is a difference. the 6682 is a nokia phone with symbian os. no touch screen. just a phone. did you even look at the phone. 🤣 dude you lost the battle, give up. 😉

ps: the siemens sx66 (that cingular offers) is the same as the ppc 6600, HTC makes them both. fyi.

As CDMA users we are being left behind. The feature rich "bleeding edge" handsets are being made for the GSM carriers. That's my point.

Bigbmc26 said:
the 6682 isn't a pda, it's a smartphone. there is a difference. the 6682 is a nokia phone with symbian os. no touch screen. just a phone. did you even look at the phone. 🤣 dude you lost the battle, give up. 😉

ps: the siemens sx66 (that cingular offers) is the same as the ppc 6600, HTC makes them both. fyi.

the only diference between a pda phone and a smart phone is the way they are spelled. it is the same thing.

and you are right htc builds both devices. but the 6600 has one huge advantage over the sx66 evdo the sx66 real world internet speed is 40-70 kb/s the 6600 real world speed is 600-800 kb/s so don't even compare them

wrong again, the current nokia 6620 that we sell is a smartPHONE. it does not have windows software or a web browser. it is a phone that you can download applications to. the 6682 is the upgrade of this phone. we only offer insurance on phones, not pda's, both the 6620 and 6682 are insurable through lock/line. as for the sx66, most customers us the WIFI option, not the GPRS. you'll learn one day. 😁

oh yeah, i forget pic bridge and BLUETOOTH! 😛

You need to get the facts straight GSM data speed is 14.4 GPRS can run up to 100KBS but usually 40 to 80 KBS. You need to do more research.

Tmobile83 said:
You need to get the facts straight GSM data speed is 14.4 GPRS can run up to 100KBS but usually 40 to 80 KBS. You need to do more research.

so do you. you still have no idea what you are talking about hear is a link. i spent 2 mins to actually look it up.

https://www.phonescoop.com/glossary/term.php?gid=106 »

gprs 30-40 kb/s with sprints upto 110.

with sprint on the 1x the real world speed is 60-80 kb/s with sprints upto 230 with some devices. evdo it 400-700 kb/s with speeds upto 2.4

we all want it all don't we? lol

wolfsong said:
just curious as to why you ask "why would you go to cingular?" I've always believed that Cingular(GSM) and/or T-mobile were the best for world travel since they both roam "globally".
I'm not trying to start anything, I just want to know your reasoning.

that is a common missconception. sprint has phones you can roam globaly with. but the main difference with sprint it is a lot cheeper you never pay more then 1.50 a min. with the other carriers it can be as much as 5.00 a min! you do the math.

you're right, 1.50 a minute vs. 5.00 a minute would be a huge difference. So does sprint use hybrid phones for roaming? cdma/gsm, or do they roam off other cdma carriers throughout the world? I thought that the majority of worldwide coverage was with gsm. I think that I read somewhere that verizon uses hybrid cdma/gsm phones for roaming overseas.

thank you for the reply

world wide there is basically forms of wireless phones gsm (which is the most popular) wcdma (which is rapidly replaceing gsm world wide) and cdma there is actually a rather large cdma coverage avalible out there. in central america, india, parts of asia and astralia. with sprint it is simple if you roam cdma internationally it is .99 a min. if you roam wcdma or gsm it is 1.50 a min no matter where you are.

sprint does offer cdma/gsm phones for the people that truely are world travelers. for people who occasionally travel internationally (once a year or so) they do rent out gsm phones as well as sprint sells gsm phones for international travel. or if you have an unlocked gsm phone sprint can provide you with a sim card to use. in additio...
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this does help, thanks, I didn't know you could do any of that with sprint. gsm overseas is actually 900/1800 and I think that wcdma/umts might be something like 2100.

thanks again or the help

Sprint sells this one to roam globally:
https://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=406 »

The biggest complaint is the placement of the keys on the keypad...

you don't need a quad band phone for international roaming. A tri band phone is usually good enough. Most new GSM phones work over seas.