Yup I'm not surprised att sucks, avgjoe will say something stupid again like gophone users are more profitable. 🙄

no...he will prolly say...

"just wait for the 3g iphone and BB 9000 to come out"

chris

cwcanty said:
no...he will prolly say...

"just wait for the 3g iphone and BB 9000 to come out"

chris

What you and Brown both said, plus toss in some whining about how VZW's advertising has special mind control powers. 🤣

lol...so true.

and still no response from 'ol avgjoe...

cwcanty said:
lol...so true.

and still no response from 'ol avgjoe...

Oh, I'm sure he'll show, BS in hand. 😁

But if he doesn't, we can always just program an AvgJoe Random Post Generator┞¢.

It would post ten times per day, using the following stock phrases in random order:

Communist GUI
Socialism!!!
ATT is sooo much better, even though they too are a big heartless multibillion dollar corporation
I want to be GSM's babymama
Nokia
Nokia
...hey, have we talked about Nokia?
the iPhad sucks because it's not a Nokia
people don't really care about having a good network and being able to make calls and s***
Verizon logo is red... Communist flag is red... coincidence?
Prepaid actually b...
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If AT&T had not lost 300k+ TDMA customers. AT&T would've had more net adds, again. And don't bring up the whole prepaid vs postpaid BS. Net adds are what they are.

what can't you bring it up? If you're a company wouldn't you rather have more postpaid than prepaid?

Yeah, but in times like these, where the economy is in the toilet, it is wiser for companies (especially cell phone companies, or any other company providing service most people can't live without) to have great options for all demographics. Don't you agree?

I agree with you from a customer stand point. But from a wall street stand point, I'd rather have more customers locked into a contract for 2 years.

Well, I think that was the key word 'customer stand point'
I think companies need to balance wisely their offers in order to make them appealing to the general public without sacrificing revenue. I think AT&T is doing that just fine. Could be better, but I don't see them running around like chickens with their heads cut off [enter Sprint comment right here]

lol...true, they are still doing well, and a far away from becoming the next Sprint.

wow ... this is probably the first civil thread in regards to ATT vs. VZW. I appluad you guys, I really do.

thats what happens you when ask logical questions and respond with civilied answers.

🙂

Chris

Anxiovert said:
If AT&T had not lost 300k+ TDMA customers. AT&T would've had more net adds, again. And don't bring up the whole prepaid vs postpaid BS. Net adds are what they are.

Don't be silly. Postpaid vs prepaid DOES matter, always has, always will.

For example, last quarter, this was Sprint postpaid:

$58 ARPU, 2.3 percent churn

This was their prepaid:

$28 ARPU, 7.5 percent churn(!)


Which set of customers would you rather have? 😳

Far as ATT's TDMA network shutting down, well boo hoo hoo, but I don't remember any ATT fanbois shedding a tear when VZW was in the exact same boat regarding Amp'd shutting down.

And what is the deal with ATT NOT being able to c...
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SystemShock said:

BROWN27 said:
Wireless
* Highest net adds in the industry -- 1.5 million net customer additions; 67.2 million total customers; 65.2 million retail customers, most in the industry, up 11.5 percent.
* Industry-leading churn -- 1.19 percent total churn and 0.93 percent retail post-paid churn.
* 13.2 percent increase in total revenues; data revenues up 48.9 percent.
* 44.9 percent EBITDA margin on service revenues (non-GAAP).

Yup, as expected.

Beat ATT in net adds.
Clobbered ATT in postpaid adds (by 2 to 1).
Clobbered ATT in churn/customer loyalty.

Wonder what AvgJoe will have to say about this? I thought the "commie UI" was supposed to be our downfall, and G

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AvgJoe said:

SystemShock said:

BROWN27 said:
Wireless
* Highest net adds in the industry -- 1.5 million net customer additions; 67.2 million total customers; 65.2 million retail customers, most in the industry, up 11.5 percent.
* Industry-leading churn -- 1.19 percent total churn and 0.93 percent retail post-paid churn.
* 13.2 percent increase in total revenues; data revenues up 48.9 percent.
* 44.9 percent EBITDA margin on service revenues (non-GAAP).

Yup, as expected.

Beat ATT in net adds.
Clobbered ATT in postpaid adds (by 2 to 1).
Clobbered ATT in churn/customer loyalty.

Wonder what AvgJoe will have to say about this? I thought the "commie UI" was s

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Can you say....FREAKIN OWNED!!!

great post shock!

cwcanty said:
Can you say....FREAKIN OWNED!!!

great post shock!

Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week. 😎

Actually I won't, because I'm pretty busy. But it's not like it's hard to own Joe.

After all, what the guy doesn't understand about the wireless industry fills volumes. 😳

So true my friend...so true...

Until VZW increases it's total subscriber base and total revenue to higher levels than AT&T, AT&T will not have "lost."

Great numbers for Verizon this quarter, but keep in mind next quarter will show similar growth for both carriers. AT&T shut off 330,000 TDMA subscribers, which was a significant part of the lower net adds.

According to you when it comes to net add's post paid and pre paid are the same, no difference at all (total BS but whatever), but when it comes to churn you choose to quote the post paid number for AT&T instead of overall (but choose to use VZ overall), I thought pre paid and post paid were the same? So do you just cherry pick the numbers that make AT&T look best compared to VZ? Interesting.

gozvzw said:
According to you when it comes to net add's post paid and pre paid are the same, no difference at all (total BS but whatever), but when it comes to churn you choose to quote the post paid number for AT&T instead of overall (but choose to use VZ overall), I thought pre paid and post paid were the same? So do you just cherry pick the numbers that make AT&T look best compared to VZ? Interesting.

Welcome to the real world....Glad you're here.

Seriously Joe, I know a lot of people love skewing information and making them bias ... but for this forum you seriously don't have to do that. C'mon Joe, I thought you were better than that.

tnt2k1 said:
Seriously Joe, I know a lot of people love skewing information and making them bias ... but for this forum you seriously don't have to do that. C'mon Joe, I thought you were better than that.

You can make stats do ANYTHING you want. They have saved many a job!!

The point I was making is the actual differences are not that much. Really 1% ve 1.3% BOTH figures are too low to and not far enough apart to make a difference and ATT is on an UPTREND. Whats going to be the argument when both are ZERO? That will never happen becasue its a fluid market. Thats why those numbers are great for internals but they do not speak to the big picture. You can discount certain stats and doubly count others to...
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AvgJoe said:
The point I was making is the actual differences are not that much. Really 1% ve 1.3% BOTH figures are too low to and not far enough apart to make a difference

LOL. As usual, you just don't get it (though why you 'just can't get churn' is beyond me. It's not that hard). Even a difference of 0.3% churn is 600,000 to 650,000 customers per quarter for these guys. That's how big both carriers have gotten.

Not so long ago Verizon fan-boys were Poo Pooing JD Powers when they lost to T Mobile as a non event. Now they tout it as the end all and Holy Grail of confirmation.

Not me. I think T-Mobile deserves all the accolades it gets in Cutomer Service. But on the separa...
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SystemShock said:
Wow... the BS showed up sooner than I thought it would.

Still not as good as the AvgJoe Random Post Generator, tho':

https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »

😁

I'll bump it for ya.
Apparently you need approval so much. You post links to your own posts.

This bump should help with your cause.

What? No mention of commie GUIs? No Nokia?

I feel gypped. 🤣

2008 Fortune 500
And The Winners Are...
See the full list of America's largest corporations, including detailed company profiles and contact information.

1. Wal-Mart Stores 11. Berkshire Hathaway
2. Exxon Mobil 12. J.P. Morgan Chase & Co.
3. Chevron 13. AIG
4. General Motors 14. Hewlett-Packard
5. ConocoPhillips 15. IBM
6. General Electric 16. Valero Energy
7. Ford Motor 17. Verizon Communications
8. Citigroup 18. McKesson
9. Bank of America 19. Cardinal Health
10. AT&T 20. Goldman Sachs

I'm surprised Microsoft isn't on there.

Citigroup ... really? after that major lost they posted?

I'll agree Joe's posts are a little ridiculous, but you even spending time responding to it and tooting your horn with links back to your own posts puts you below his level.

Just ignore him.

How is that BS? Verizon does have a larger network with more 3G coverage, better customer service and so on and so forth, yet they didnt kill AT&T in the 1Q. They should be mopping the floor with net adds, yet they usually get beat, or in this case beat AT&T because of the TDMA sunset.

bojmir said:
How is that BS? Verizon does have a larger network with more 3G coverage, better customer service and so on and so forth, yet they didnt kill AT&T in the 1Q. They should be mopping the floor with net adds, yet they usually get beat, or in this case beat AT&T because of the TDMA sunset.

Thats my point. They routinely tout best of this best of that yet they cannot trounce the competition which in any other market the best does. (See Toyota vs GM) See Windex vs Joes Window cleaner LOL,

Its all HYPE. Verizon signals SUCK in some areas they should not as well as ATT. They do NOT have the best coverage in many areas. They advertise heavily in the areas they do as do the rest of the companies. A...
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AvgJoe said:
Its all HYPE. Verizon signals SUCK in some areas they should not as well as ATT. They do NOT have the best coverage in many areas. They advertise heavily in the areas they do as do the rest of the companies. Alltel kills them here. The Verizon store in the mall has a permanent help wanted sign up. The Alltel kiosk does not.

WOW. VZW has a sucky network now, according to Joe?

Well then, I guess a sucky network is the one that's consistently clobbering ATT in JD Power, Consumer Reports, and churn. Guess that means ATT has a SUPER-sucky network then. 😳

Thanks for clearing that up for me, Joe. Makes sense. Though I'm surprised you'd insult ATT that hard. 😎

SLAMMED joes lameness once again!! 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

joe pack it up Shock is just slamming you left and right, you are know competition for Shock..at this point you are nothing more than a mere cat toy!

Its-The-Network said:
SLAMMED joes lameness once again!! 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

joe pack it up Shock is just slamming you left and right, you are no competition for Shock..at this point you are nothing more than a mere cat toy!

True dat. 😎

But y'know, I don't have TIME to bounce Joe off all four walls of this forum every day. Somebody else is gonna have to take over.

PhoneScoop just isn't my primary forum anymore, because the VZW forum only has a few good posters on it anymore (Cwcanty, Obento, BloodiedWraith, maybe a couple of others).

Perhaps if the 'powers that be' tightened the screws a little, this forum would return to its former glory. But that just isn't the way they wanna...
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SystemShock said:

Its-The-Network said:
SLAMMED joes lameness once again!! 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

joe pack it up Shock is just slamming you left and right, you are no competition for Shock..at this point you are nothing more than a mere cat toy!

True dat. 😎

But y'know, I don't have TIME to bounce Joe off all four walls of this forum every day. Somebody else is gonna have to take over.

PhoneScoop just isn't my primary forum anymore, because the VZW forum only has a few good posters on it anymore (Cwcanty, Obento, BloodiedWraith, maybe a couple of others).

Perhaps if the 'powers that be' tightened the screws a little, this forum would return to its former glory.

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Its-The-Network said:
SLAMMED joes lameness once again!! 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

joe pack it up Shock is just slamming you left and right, you are know competition for Shock..at this point you are nothing more than a mere cat toy!

and so is this forum for me....