EXPENSIVE!!!!
Saw you mention you have an interest in internet in an earlier post. You might want to consider Cingular in that case, for a few reasons.
First, T-Mobile uses Cingular's network via roaming agreements in California and Nevada. They will be aquiring it after Cingular completes reguulatory approval of the ATTWS buyout.
Second, Cingular is in the process of bringing EDGE internet online nationwide, T-Mobile will be beginning EDGE deployment by year's end, if not later.
Pricing between the two is similar, but handset selection and network size are hugely different. Not to mention Cingular's rollover, unlimited N&W and M2M on most nation plans, and early evenings option.
Lastly, Cingular's ETF is lower in most parts of th...
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Other than your precious 1000 whenever minutes plan with no N&W and no M2M (not such a deal when you look at it that way) name one plan on your shriveled little network than offers better value than Cingular.
T-Mobile:
Family Time 800
minutes: 800
N&W: unlimited
M2M: unlimited
second line free
Activation fee: $35 per line
National coverage:http://www.t-mobile.com/coverage/
Price: $69.99 for first two lines plus $70 activation fees
Cingular:
Family Talk GSM Nation 850
minutes: 850
N&W: unlimited nationwide
M2M: unlimited nationwide
second line $9.99
Activation fee: $18 per line
National coverage:http://onlinestore.cingular.com/html /Maps/nation_GSM_map.htm
Price: 59.99 plus $36 activation fees
Totals:
T-Mobile for two lines including activation and 50 less minutes - $139.99
Cingular for two lines including activation and 50 more minutes - $105.98
Cingular family 850 $105.98
T-mobile family talk 800 $69.99
Only one year agreement free phone get a free phone every year. With re-contract.
Example 1: $39.99 T-Mobile 600 whenever unl nights and weekends OR 1000 whenever, OR 3-day weekend
$39.99 Cingular 450 whenever (w/rollover) 5000N&W and unl mobile-mobile.
(optional $7 extra for nights that start at 7)
Lets talk about the above for just a moment. Sure cingular has rollover. However what if you use more than 450 minutes a month? It won't do you a darn bit of good. Only time it would is is your usage flu...
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if you don't go for virgin mobile, go for a sprint phone on a fair and flexible plan. have a cooler phone, pay less per month, and reep the benefits of all that new technology has to offer you the the network you'd be utilizing while using a virgin mobile device anyway... except this way, you'll pay far less collectively. your phone will work, even if you're in analog. in gsm, when you don't get a signal, your phone just... won't work. and that's no fun... is it?
Rollover minutes that were accrued a year ago drop off... so if you accrued 300 rollover minutes in January 2004, unless you use them, they go away after a year. Then your February rollover minutes, if not used, drop off in a year the next month. But since you are building rollover each month, they don't go away.
GSM doesn't work if there's no signal: no phone works if there's no signal. Cingular's digital coverage area is larger than Sprint's, so what's your point?
Sprint uses a roadrunner array and a HUGE amount of roaming agreements to compete nationally. A great deal of their coverage is analog, where...
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5000 N&W? that's gay, i like unlimited better.
and i can't believe you actually just said cingular has a better phone selection than sprint. that's not even an attack, that's a joke. thanks for the smile though.. 🤣
i don't feel like writing a winded response to your repetitive cingular crap. i'll just say that all of my clients who come in looking to get out of cingular are pretty pissed off... and once i explain to them all of the facts about the fair and flexible, they laugh and ask me how you guys get away with lying? all i can say to them is, well i guess everyone will realize it after their second year like you did, mr/mrs so a...
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We offer unlimited as an add on to any plan, and it is included on GSM NAtion 49.99 and up.
Answer me this ash, since you seem to know everything, yet have no TRUE competitive analysis info: If Sprint's coverage and plans are so much better than Cingular's, why do you have like HALF our market share? Why did Sprint get slammed so bad by Cingular on 20/20? Why does Sprint PCS mean Sprint Pretty Crappy Service all over the Northeast?
I have had both carriers at the same time, and Cingular outperformed Sprint in every state on the East Coast. Calls dropped so ofte...
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Actually, any company that throws away leftover minutes rips you off even worse.
phonepimp3376 said:
Actually, any company that throws away leftover minutes rips you off even worse.
Woah Woah there Phonepimp. You've got me responding again. Your saying Verizon Wireless and other Cellular companies rip off customers now. Are you kidding??
So, I guess Cingular RIPS off customers when they charge a $36 activation fee on a 2 year contract because Verizon only charges a $15 activation fee. Sound about right?
Cmon man, The #1 Cell phone company is not ripping off customers. We get customers on rate plans that they will use all or most of their minutes on a larger network. To have 100 or so extra minutes rollover each and every month, MEANS they are on a rate plan that has too...
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As for rollover ripping people off, that argument makes sense until they have a month or two when they NEEDED an extra hundred and didn't PAY 40 cents or so a minute for them.
F&F is a ripoff, pure and simple... I don't care how you do the math. Bring it up to the same minutes and features as our lowest cost nation plan with rollover, and you're paying over 20.00 more per month!
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No, VZW rips people off by not allowing family plans to upgrade unless its the primary line, and by charging more than the industry standard for a hybrid network. They rip people off through tactics like crippling BT on phones.
I can upgrade ANY phone on an account that is ELIGIBLE for upgrade (2 months prior to contract ending) even if it isn't a primary line. Where did you get that lame ass info?
So we had a BT problem that will be fixed, just like your problems with the Motorola 600. nuff said.
And we set the industry standard, everyone else is competing to beat us.
As for rollover ripping people off, that argument makes sense until they have a month or two when they NEEDED an extra h
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Digital Pimp said:As for rollover ripping people off, that argument makes...phonepimp3376 said:
No, VZW rips people off by not allowing family plans to upgrade unless its the primary line, and by charging more than the industry standard for a hybrid network. They rip people off through tactics like crippling BT on phones.
I can upgrade ANY phone on an account that is ELIGIBLE for upgrade (2 months prior to contract ending) even if it isn't a primary line. Where did you get that lame ass info?
So we had a BT problem that will be fixed, just like your problems with the Motorola 600. nuff said.
And we set the industry standard, everyone else is competing to beat us.
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phonepimp3376 said:
Our activation fee is in line with other national carriers. And I, from a customer standpoint would rather pay an 18.00 upgrade fee and be able to upgrade my family add on lines than deal with NE2 and not be able to upgrade them.
you CAN still upgrade them at promo pricing, woh said that you couldn't? But you would not be eligible for ne2 100.00 off promo pricing, and hell with the BOGO's we offer you can get free phone for the secondary lines anyway...also our upgrade fee is about 7 bucks less than yours and your activation fee for a 2 year service agreement is NOT in line with all other national carriers...ours is only 15.00
phonepimp3376 said:
Our activation fee is in line with other national carriers. And I, from a customer standpoint would rather pay an 18.00 upgrade fee and be able to upgrade my family add on lines than deal with NE2 and not be able to upgrade them.
Shows here you don't read full responses to your threads...please do. It would stop you from putting something that isn't true again and making you look like a fool.
Other than that me and VZWman seem to have stopped your misinformation train. I hope that helps in future threads from you.
I guess I just have a problem with the primary getting a better deal than the share lines.
It just seems to me this is kinda confusing to the customers. I talk to lots of folks that think they can only upgrade one line, because their secondary line is a 20 buck line and no NE2. They don't see it as a deal.
One thing people usually misunderstand about me is I tend to look at things with a customer's eye. So what may seem like an 'attack' from a wireless rep is actually just poijnting out what a customer might think, or has expressed to me. This is one of those times.
#2 that is always the case...since we do not offer at share plan in which the primary line would be under 34.99 as long as they are on any kind of calling plan of 34.99 or above for the above mentioned 22 months since the last time they got promo pricing then that primary line is eligible for ne2 100.00 off...if said primary line goes with a phone that is under 100.00 and is BOGO then they would get 2 new phone with paying noting more than the upgrade fee of like 11.00 per line and taxes on the phone...plain and simple
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#1 even as a secondary line, if it has been 22 months since the last time you got promo pricing on new eqp you are eligible for AT LEAST promo pricing on new eqp with a renewal
#2 that is always the case...since we do not offer at share plan in which the primary line would be under 34.99 as long as they are on any kind of calling plan of 34.99 or above for the above mentioned 22 months since the last time they got promo pricing then that primary line is eligible for ne2 100.00 off...if said primary line goes with a phone that is under 100.00 and is BOGO then they would get 2 new phone with paying noting more than the upgrade fee of like 11.00 per line and taxes on the phone...plain and simple
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Here's my question, though: How many phones does VZW offer that if they DIDN'T have NE2 would be free, or free after rebate? I'm a bit out of the loop on handset pricing lately, but I know historically the VZW handsets were priced a bit higher than their GSM counterparts.
so with Cingular your saying they can upgrade 3 months prior? I will check on that one.
Digital Pimp said:
we offer 22 months in a 2 year, new customer pricing regardless of plan price.
so with Cingular your saying they can upgrade 3 months prior? I will check on that one.
I checked it and that is correct. 3 months prior, is a good thing for Cingular because we can only upgrade 2 months prior unless some special arrangement is made.
phonepimp3376 said:
You seem to miss my point...yes, you can pay the promo cost and upgrade your share lines, but in my experience this does not work out to be as good a deal as the primary line gets. With our upgrade policy, all lines get the same deal. That was my point.
SO DO ALL OUR LINES! THAT IS MY POINT. You are misinforming people.
All our lines get discounts on new phones just as the primary line does. As long as they have completed the contract up to the date of eligibility to upgrade.
Your point is mistaken.
Consider Sprint for the same reasons.
First CDMA/AMPS coverage is by far better than GSM, add the America option and you get all of Sprint's, Verizon's USCC's, Alltel's and any other CDMA or analog carrier's network for free.
Second, Sprint's CDMA network is already doing things that EDGE will do and has been for almost 3 years now.
Third, Fair and Flexible is a way better way to go than rollover minutes.
Fourth EVDO will be a reality by year's end which will open up way more possibilities. Fifth, the Sanyo phones are a much higher quality phone than any of the Nokias or Motorolas available.
Sixth and maybe most important, the impending merger between Sprint and Nextel will open up new coverage areas as well as new spectrum...
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matty_719 said:
Cingular & AT&T Offer pre-paid service with actual rate plans. Cingular is called Take Charge. At&t is called GoPhone. Its MUCH more cost effective.
Mmm... yes and no. The AT&T Free2Go service and Cingular pre-paid are both pretty lame actually- 25 cents a minute, period, and with Free2Go your minutes expire after 90 days unless you get the $100 card. Virgin does rob people blind, but even they drop the rate to 10 cents a minute after the first 10 minutes in a day, and the minutes don't expire.
The Cingular pre-paid 10 cents/minute service ain't all that either... because they charge you a $1/day on top of that, on any day you make or receive a phone call. Its just another cute way to di...
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Everyone who can pass a credit check and really wants a cell phone already has one. But there's a ton of ppl out there with bad or no credit who want a phone, or who have good credit but don't care enough to get one unless the deal was sweet for occasional users (seniors).
At 10 cents a minute flat, pre-pays & pay-as-you-go's would be beating customers off with a stick, while still making quite a premium over what plan people pay. Don't really grok why no one has done it yet.
Sure if we had kids this whole discussion is mute, we don't. If I were a Salesman ditto.
8 years ago almost nobody had cellphones, last I checked the world didn't stop turning.
Now days a cellphone is little more than a toy...
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DAC21 said:
Why is this even discussion?. Virgin Mobile caters to young "stupid" client. Apparently they hit their mark very well judging by the responses on this board.
They're often young, yes, but not so much "stupid" as inexperienced.
And y'know, its terribly easy to be snotty and dismissive (anyone can do it)... its much harder to be helpful.
BetterThanJake said:
its terribly easy to be snotty and dismissive (anyone can do it)... its much harder to be helpful.
That should be printed at the top of every lounge. Well said.
All prepaid services are like that. Verizon, Cingular...whatever. It's for small-usage with no credit.
Many parents use it to teach their young people responsibility. When the money is gone it's gone and you can't use your phone until you have more money to put into it.
Other people who like prepaid are the older folks who really don't want a phone but their adult children get worried about them when they travel and insist they have one for emergencies.
If you use less than 100 minutes per month then prepaid is often a much smarter choice than regular wireless.
If you use more than 200 minutes per month then you should look into a regular post paid plan.
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But you're right, if you use your cell phone very very little, Virgin is cheaper. It really depends which side of 150 minutes a month you're on. I wouldn't toot Virgin's horn too much on that '$20 every 90 days' thing though... that works out to only about 50 minutes a month for most ppl.