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Apple Surpasses Motorola, Now No. 1 U.S. Phone Maker

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island-guy

Apr 29, 2010, 10:18 PM
I guess it will soon be iphone or why-phone. I'm actually impressed honestly though not surprised. I honestly don't know why they are limiting themselves to just At&t though....must be some nice incentives At&t is kicking back. If they get on to other carriers they will be the number one world wide for sure
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iamajim

Apr 29, 2010, 10:28 PM
You can't be serious my friend. You have truly drunk the koolaid. No one is catching Nokia. They may not have much of a presence here in the US but worldwide....uncatchable for the foreseeable future.
Both of these companies, Moto and Apple have much to be proud of. These are very good numbers but what I'd like to know is...where the hell are the jobs these products bring. That's where the real wealth is. Why do we offshore these jobs when we have a large, talented and unemployed labor force.
Shameful. These are hollow profits imo.
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bluecoyote

Apr 29, 2010, 10:43 PM
Uhm...

1) Apple does (and Motorola used to until Ed Zander came on board) engineer the phones in the USA.

2) Nokia may be #1 in volume sales, but they're not even a relevant phone manufacturer outside of the low-end of the market.
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jhr2112

Apr 30, 2010, 8:14 AM
Absolutely not true. Travel around Europe and Asia and you will see more people there have Nokia smart phones than any other brand. By the way, their 3g networks and service are light years better than ours.The main reason you don't see Nokia here is our dominant cell technology is CDMA (for the moment) and Nokia never made a decent CDMA handset (yet). That might change since China is expanding CDMA coverage there. I was really surprised my Sprint phone worked in Beijing last month.
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Megatron

Apr 30, 2010, 9:36 AM
But what did you pay per minute over there?
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bluecoyote

Apr 30, 2010, 4:08 PM
1) I see a lot of Europeans with Nokia (and even Sony Ericsson) Smartphones, but they're not used as smartphones. Case in point: mobile traffic from these phones is negligible.

Let's put it this way- one of my business partners used a Symbian UIQ Sony Ericsson smartphone and did nothing other than place calls with it

2) I call bullcrap. European cell phone service is a joke. Data rates are ridiculous and prohibitive. (Go look up their rates.) One of the reasons I don't complain about AT&T is that I've had the displeasure of dealing with Vodafone, Orange, Telia, WIND, Euskaltel, and Movistar (the absolute worst IMO) .
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Jayshmay

Apr 30, 2010, 5:14 PM
Wow, you get around that much? The last 2 you mentioned I never heard of.
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bluecoyote

Apr 30, 2010, 5:39 PM
Telefonica Movistar is one of the largest telephone companies in the world. Euskaltel is a smaller Spanish provider.
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Jayshmay

Apr 30, 2010, 5:10 PM
Umm, good luck with the bill when those China calls finally appear.
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jasonleerock1

Apr 30, 2010, 10:25 AM
If Nokia could stay away from Windows Mobile, I'd be inclined to believe you... but for some reason they are hell bent on using that crappy operating system.

High end Nokia phones have quality hardware. It is the software that ruins the phones.
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Jayshmay

Apr 30, 2010, 5:17 PM
What are you talking about "if Nokia could stay away from Windows Mobile"??? Nokia has *NEVER* made a WinMo phone.
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crammy1

May 2, 2010, 6:08 PM
i dont remember nokia having a winmo os on any of their phones..maybe your refering to meego?
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Desolationblade

Apr 30, 2010, 12:01 AM
No one wanted the burden of apple. At&t and apply teaming up works well but the truth of the matter it is a total nightmare. Apple bangs at&t severely for every data and txt package that after network upgrades at&t is losing money on EVERY IPHONE.

Apple is not a good business partner, and altho their products no doubt are good they dont think logically. See the Iphone wouldnt sync to Windows PC's for 6 months after release, HUGE MISTAKE.

Apple thinks too much about "Apple" rather then the people. If they appeal to everyone rather then the 7% of the population then they grow astronomically. People claim Mac's are better because they dont get virus's, and this is true because virus's are written to hack PC not Mac's lol.

Verizon ...
(continues)
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Menno

Apr 30, 2010, 12:46 AM
you do know that your point about towers is meaningless right? CDMA can handle more simultaneous transmissions at once and also have a broader range (specifically in areas that have penetration issues). Since they don't allow data and voice at the same time, it's also a heck of a lot harder to overload the network.

Verizon won't bend over backwards for the iphone, but there is absolutely no reason to suggest that it would "bring verizon" to it's knees worse than ATT, or even close to it.
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bluecoyote

Apr 30, 2010, 1:58 AM
This is hard to make sense of given that I'm apparently more sober than the individual who wrote this, but..

The iPhone changed how people use mobile data... aka they actually use data. So you think Apple is evil because they uh.... created a phone that actually makes a data plan worthwhile.

Right.
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Jayshmay

Apr 30, 2010, 5:31 PM
Personally I think data usage is based mores on the user, than the device. Like me, I'm extremely bored on my job, and so therefore I do a whole heck of a lot of browsing on my Droid, heck even going all the way back to 2005 I browsed the web a lot on my SE T616 I think was the model.

Anyway, I think mobile web browsing has a lot more to do with an individual persons style of use rather than the device itself.
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bluecoyote

Apr 30, 2010, 7:33 PM
There are numerous factors. iPhone users make up the majority of mobile web traffic, but there are numerous factors that contribute, such as convenience, application quality, and speed.
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Azeron

Apr 30, 2010, 6:47 AM
"... because Verizon's network is much smaller and will probably crash with the Iphone."

I feel dumber just for clicking on this post.

Thanks.
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jhr2112

Apr 30, 2010, 8:18 AM
Verizon has fewer dropped calls with fewer towers.
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bluecoyote

Apr 30, 2010, 4:42 PM
Verizon also has less traffic on its network.
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Menno

Apr 30, 2010, 6:32 PM
Which is changing rapidly. The latest numbers from Admob show android passing the iphone.

Not to mention aircards
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bluecoyote

Apr 30, 2010, 7:09 PM
That's not an accurate statistic.

1) Advertising is not indicative of data use by the same metrics of mobile web traffic.

2) That number in Admob's case is due to them losing customers to Quattro.
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iamajim

Apr 30, 2010, 7:53 PM
How can they have less traffic if they have more customers? Just asking.
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bluecoyote

May 1, 2010, 3:16 PM
Most VZW customers use lower-end phones or use their phone less or only for voice/sms. Compounding this- most of VZW's non-smartphone lineup has a barely usable web browser and requires an extra fee for things like email.

AT&T sells mostly iPhones. At one point 75% of all AT&T activations were iPhones- all of which use data plans.
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Overmann

May 1, 2010, 9:19 AM
You know, I've heard that all the time, but if it is really true, then why would Norton and Trend Micro sell Mac Edition Antivirus/Internet Security software? I had to see it to believe it. ;)
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retrocool

May 1, 2010, 9:42 AM
I don't think anyone's ever claimed that the Mac platform is "virus-free" (in the 100% sense; perhaps the term "virtually virus-free" has been used, but that indicates that it's almost completely virus-free, like 99%) but the number of Mac viruses pales in comparison with viruses for the PC platform. That's a verifiable fact.

I can attest that for the several years I used a Mac, I never once had a virus. Yes, I used an anti-virus program, but it never caught anything. Not once.
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Overmann

May 1, 2010, 10:06 AM
I can say the same thing about Windows. I can count on one hand the number of times I have caught Viruses on my own computer. Other people's computers, however...
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bluecoyote

May 1, 2010, 3:13 PM
I don't know if Apple stores still carry AV software. They used to because some colleges required it across the board for all systems. However in most cases if someone tries to buy it they will tell you it's not necessary. Long story short- I don't know of a single Mac user with AV software. I've been using OSX since its debut and as my primary system since 2003. I know of no Mac users who use AV products.

PC's are another story. I encounter a *TON* of Malware infected PC's. It's died down from the WinXP era back in the days of malevolent BHO's, but I still hear of people who accidentally mis-type a URL and wind up with "SecurityScan2010VistaEdition" or some crap on their system.
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