Steve Jobs Explains Apple's Position on Adobe's Flash
I read it, and it makes sense.
Anyway, I can say, after reading what Steve had to say that I, for the first time, completely support Apple's decision to not allow flash on the iPhone or iPad platforms.
It honestly just makes way to much sense to argue with.
Before responding, head over to the read link and actually read what he has to say.
And the touch interface...
And the App store...
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I'm not trying to start a flame war dude, I just agree with what Jobs had to say.
Flash is going the way of the cassette tape. I mean, sure, some people still use them.... haha
Sorry, I'm really not trying to start a flamewar either. I just hate Apple. And its not blind fanboyism. I've used iPhones, iPods, and my girl has a Mac Mini - which I want to throw out the window. Their philosophy is so closed. Its tantamount to saying "We know better. We know what's goo...
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We know better. We know what's good for you
I think it's more like "This is the way we like to do things. If you like the product, by all means, purchase it."
The government is the only group of people who are literally holding a gun to your head and saying "We know better. We know what's good for you"
There are certain groups of people that need and rely on Apple products for their livelyhood. All others should realize that there is life outside of the Apple box. In fact, people with an alternate OS, seem to be living very well without Apple in their lifestyle.
Apples customers haven't been hurt by the decision not to include flash in the iPhone or in the iPad. In fact, if you want to use sales or customer reviews as a measuring stick, customers have benefited greatly from the exclusion.
Android is a great operating system, but even in the state it's in now it needs some serious hardware to run smoothly. Let's see how well it works with flash when Google releases it on one or two of the devices.
I don't disagree with Apple's OS strength. I do however have to point out that even with Android's shortcomings, it is quickly becoming the mainstream OS standard. The average individual user does not care how great Apple is. They just want to be part of the "In" crowd.
In the Nightclub scene, People flock to certain Venues because that is where everyone goes. As soon as a new an exciting Venue opens, These crowds start to migrate to the new hangout.
The same can be said about the growing wireless industry. It's not prediction nor guessing. It is ...
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justfinethanku said:
if there actually was a phone on the market with full flash support but there isn't.
doesnt the n900 have full flash support right out of the box
and just a lil add on about this whole apple/flash debate. In a society thats heavily going to the social networking world and a society who loves convienience and a society in which the iphone is popular among the masses, it would make sense to incorporate flash in an iphone/ipad because those people on facebook's farmville/superhero city (which i love lol) would be able to do it straight from their iphone/ipad from their facebook page. just a lil side note from an experience phone user
26 years later, and Steve Jobs is now the digital equivalent of Big Brother.
1. 'It's not open' Really? You mean like apple? Or how Apple FINALLY allowed for low level access to their graphics card API's for third parties, FINALLY allowing flash to start hardware accelerating. No, flash isn't "open" but neither is Apple. Yes, webkit, javascript, and html5 (with the exception of the codec apple prefers) is open, but their platform, and their app development system, is not. Yes, it's all well and good that they are pushing for an open web.. but they don't want everyone going online for things. They want people getting apps from their app store instead of going to an online equivalent.
2. "full web" I agree that an increasing number of websites are adopting iphone compatible formats. But ...
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And didn't Apple make the initial push for web apps? Oh right, they did.
2) Flash isn't now? Really? Last I checked Flash isn't anywhere to be found on mobile devices. It isn't now. It's "coming soon!" It's only "now" on the desktop.
You're also confusing Flash with web standards. Flash is widely adopted (so was the floppy disk) .
And where do you get this mistaken idea that Flash games will magically all work with a touch screen interface? ...
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Why is the ability to run some legacy applications getting a pass, but Apple's stance of promoting native application development "They want people getting apps from their app store instead of going to an online equivalent."
Why is H.264 video, which is accessible on more mobile devices than Flash video dismissed as the future but Flash video, which is effectively not really available at all at the moment on mobile devices championed as now?
Why are you promoting Flash's best case scenario with hardware acceleration (which is still on an unreleased version that- oh yes- isn't across the board) as superior to H.264's e...
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Flash is the NOW for the web, not the mobile web specifically. And you're still making the mistake of assuming that flash is ONLY used for video content (h.264) It's not.
That's your BS. whenever someone brings up an argument against Apple's push of HTML5, you talk EXCLUSIVELY about H.264, and for everything else you say "they can write an app for the app store."
I've only had flash crash my browser ONCE and that was on my macbook, on the 10 other computers I've used it on, using three different browsers, there was no issue.
I'm not giving flash a pass, I'm saying that Steve Jobs is trying to shove his vision of the future net onto everyone ...
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And that's exactly right- anything that can't be accomplished with HTML5 is likely better off as a native application. Html5 for content and applications, more advanced functionality for native application environments (things where Flash would simply act as a wrapper.)
You may also not think Flash crashes much- statistics say otherwise.
The Transition period is for desktops, and for the increasing number of developers who care about mobile development now (it's not just news sites and blogs anymore) With the increasing number of mobile browsers, content providers, like game sites are looking into creating mobile versions. Right now it is a choice of: Hire a whole bunch of programmers to totally rewrite their games from the ground up for each mobile platform (at the very least for apple since they don't allow cross ...
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Coyote, it seems like you are somehow trying to argue that the future of the mobile web should dictate the experience of the web on a desktop. Its really vice versa right now. Mobile web is trying to catch up to the desktop experience. I agree that mobile is the future, but I disagree that its demands should dictate the entire web. Call it a philosophical difference. Let mobile web get more robust, and everyone's on a level playing field. Better for all. Or you could just hate on Android and Flash some more. Or better yet, you can go sing Apple's praises in another forum. Away from here. You won't find many minds...
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Another example was Beta Vs VHS. Beta was much better, but what became the world standard?
Steve Jobs may have valid points but they become negated when depriving their customers what the rest of us are enjoying.
There are NO mobile devices on the market with flash right now, so a transition from not having flash to, well, not having flash would be pretty simple.
For a platform with no flash support to add flash and then evolve away from flash to the new standards seems a little back-asswords if you ask me...
I think Jobs has a valid point here. In fact, I think he has 6 valid points.
Now more sites, entertainment, gaming, etc. want to move to the mobile field and HTML5 CANNOT handle everything that they require.
So the companies have two choices:
1: Spend tens of thousands of dollars developing specialized apps for every major platform, supporting several teams of programmers and trying to keep everything standard across devices.
2: "wait it out" and have their web traffic dry up as more people switch to browsing from their phone/tablets like the ipad. Not every developer knows how to program in xcode or for android, so the barrier to entry is A LOT higher.
Allowing flash for mobile devices would provide ...
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Blackberry storm os was the blackberry os with a few extra lines of code. Blackberry OS 6.0 is the first one actually designed with touchscreens in mind.
Flash isn't perfect, But it never claimed to be. But it is still the current adopted technology. with every adoption period, there is a transition phase. Steve Jobs is trying to ignore that.
You mention floppy's. when CD's came out, how many (useful) computers shipped with JUST the ...
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That's Apple's competitive advantage. That's also why Apple wants native application development. . Because although both may be closed and proprietary (that's actually not the case anyway) , one is integrated into the OS, the other isn't. It's that simple.
Now, wha...
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"Who is Apple to say no?"
The people who designed the phone.... they kind of have control of their product right?
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Engadget. I have their app on my iPhone, you know, the one that is easier to use than the actual website.... 😛
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