Union Authorizes Strike Against AT&T
This is appauling..
In this time of economic depression, I find it inconceivable to beg for changes or raises. I have several friends that have been out of work for months that would love to take these peoples places. Rather than strike, be happy you have employment or step aside and let the unemployed take over that would appreciate a paycheck.
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The CEO of the company said no raises this year due to the company struggling. But he just sold his 3.2 mil shares of AT&T for 11.00 each. what is the sick part is that he apaid nothing for the stock. this compnay is sitting on profit of 10 billion...
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as an employee you should be buying stock- so you can do the same thing!
he has 2 master degrees in business you have... a GED? i think he knows whats going on more than you do... i hope you starve because of your selfishness!
he has 2 master degrees in business you have... a GED? i think he knows whats going on more than you do... i hope you starve because of your selfishness!
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Wow! It's not selfish for these guys to rape the workers and stroll away with profits? Only in America do people celebrate the rich screwing the poor and have the audacity to call the poor selfish.
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Amen Azeron. While I'm not a supporter of unions in general I agree that it is inconceivable that Americans would be supportive of management in underpaying front-line employees while executive management rapes the company with outlandish bonuses, stock options and other perks only available to the "good ole country club boys". These same Americans (mostly republicans who are thankfully now a minority) look the other way when they hear these horrendous stories about the John Thane's of the world who spend $1M + on decorating their executive suites while saying "oh times are bad, we can't afford to give our low level employees raises".
Our country is going down the tubes because of this mentality. No wonder people can't afford to pay ...
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... No, you have to remember at&t spent 7BILLION Dollars this past year just buying SPECTRUM!!! AT&T has bills to pay- are you so ignorant as to think that AT&T has no overhead except for its useless union employees?
give me an outsourced rep anyday before a union waste of space
give me an outsourced rep anyday before a union waste of space
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Amen Azeron. While I'm not a supporter of unions in general I agree that it is inconceivable that Americans would be supportive of management in underpaying front-line employees while executive management rapes the company with outlandish bonuses, stock options and other perks only available to the "good ole country club boys". These same Americans (mostly republicans who are thankfully now a minority) look the other way when they hear these horrendous stories about the John Thane's of the world who spend $1M + on decorating their executive suites while saying "oh times are bad, we can't afford to give our low level employees raises".
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Slammer couldnt have said it better. Unions are getting out of control. They use strikes as a way to DEMAND, not ask, DEMAND raises when the rest of the country is getting poorer. Att is huge with a lot of overhead. Even if they just gave a .50 cent raise to all of thier employees, it would drive them even deeper into debt and eventually into the ground (not likely I know but Im makeing a point). Do you guys remember Att president forwent his 4.1 million dollar bounus. Thats a huge sum of money that he VOLENTARYLY gave up. Dont talk to me about greed at a corporate level when you union workers are the ones screwing with the company and more emportantly THE CUSTOMERS!!!
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Slammer couldnt have said it better. Unions are getting out of control. They use strikes as a way to DEMAND, not ask, DEMAND raises when the rest of the country is getting poorer. Att is huge with a lot of overhead. Even if they just gave a .50 cent raise to all of thier employees, it would drive them even deeper into debt and eventually into the ground (not likely I know but Im makeing a point). Do you guys remember Att president forwent his 4.1 million dollar bounus. Thats a huge sum of money that he VOLENTARYLY gave up. Dont talk to me about greed at a corporate level when you union workers are the ones screwing with the company and more emportantly THE CUSTOMERS!!!
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Agreed Its sad thats its gotten this far out of hand. I spent many years working in the lower levels of employment. Working hard and makeing next to nothing. But you know what, it paid off. I now manage two stores and make pretty goood money. And its only going to get better cuase i continue to work hard and pay my dues. I just hate how closeminded union workers are these days and wish they would just show some work ethic and work thier way up like I did. But then again, I am a rareity these days.
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yea, i have to say that the union is wrong here, there are people losing thier jobs left and right, 600,000 last month alone in the USA, be happy you still have a job people. i work for t-mobile and they have told us that there is a freeze on pay raises this year, sure we were bummed but we all realize that this is hard times and just the fact that we still have our jobs so we are very gratefull.
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"These same Americans (mostly republicans who are thankfully now a minority)"
If you actually talk to people, you'll find most are not for socialism and actually do prefer a free economy. Republicans may be a minority in Washington, but not in the United States. The only problem is, most are working on Election Day and can't get out and vote....and Democrats seem to have an unusually large amount of votes cast for them, sometimes more than the registered number of voters.
If you actually talk to people, you'll find most are not for socialism and actually do prefer a free economy. Republicans may be a minority in Washington, but not in the United States. The only problem is, most are working on Election Day and can't get out and vote....and Democrats seem to have an unusually large amount of votes cast for them, sometimes more than the registered number of voters.
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Amen Azeron. While I'm not a supporter of unions in general I agree that it is inconceivable that Americans would be supportive of management in underpaying front-line employees while executive management rapes the company with outlandish bonuses, stock options and other perks only available to the "good ole country club boys". These same Americans (mostly republicans who are thankfully now a minority) look the other way when they hear these horrendous stories about the John Thane's of the world who spend $1M + on decorating their executive suites while saying "oh times are bad, we can't afford to give our low level employees raises".
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Thats easy to say to let the economy settle but we are negotiating a 3 year contract.
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How are they raping workers and strolling away with profits??
These CEOs were hired on to fix an ailing company. They have years of proven experience which was the reason they were chosen for this position. There are also contracts involved with those positions, contracts which state if you help us to bring in X amount of gross revenue, and you can help us cut our expenses by Y amount, you will receive a percentage of our profits. If the companies don't pay that, then you have a breach of contract.
And if the companies don't offer something like that, then you have these CEOs starting their own businesses where they can get paid for what they're worth. Would you go work for a high stress 18 hour/day, 7 day/week job if they said w...
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These CEOs were hired on to fix an ailing company. They have years of proven experience which was the reason they were chosen for this position. There are also contracts involved with those positions, contracts which state if you help us to bring in X amount of gross revenue, and you can help us cut our expenses by Y amount, you will receive a percentage of our profits. If the companies don't pay that, then you have a breach of contract.
And if the companies don't offer something like that, then you have these CEOs starting their own businesses where they can get paid for what they're worth. Would you go work for a high stress 18 hour/day, 7 day/week job if they said w...
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No, just because he has degrees doesn't make him more qualified.
This is especially true when you are talking about a guy who froze payroll increases and yet gave himself a nice bonus by selling off stock options.
Like that story a few weeks back about those CEO's taking their salary to a dollar. 80% of their money comes from stock options, stocks that will rise after stunts like that so it wasn't a sacrifice.
I'm not generally a fan of unions, but considering how poorly most wireless workers are treated, attacking them for trying to work out a contract is rather counter productive.
This is especially true when you are talking about a guy who froze payroll increases and yet gave himself a nice bonus by selling off stock options.
Like that story a few weeks back about those CEO's taking their salary to a dollar. 80% of their money comes from stock options, stocks that will rise after stunts like that so it wasn't a sacrifice.
I'm not generally a fan of unions, but considering how poorly most wireless workers are treated, attacking them for trying to work out a contract is rather counter productive.
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so your a communist, you think everyone on earth should make $20 an hour no matter where they work or what they do?
wow, this is america if you don't like it get out!
i hear China is hiring deadbeat communists to help control the internet.
wow, this is america if you don't like it get out!
i hear China is hiring deadbeat communists to help control the internet.
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I'm not a communist. I actually am a huge fan of free markets. Sadly, the phone industry and CEO's in generally are not anything close to a free market.
The problem is that the CEO put a hiring and payment freeze on their company because of the tightening economy. From what it sounds like, this union accepted that. But then the CEO went and sold off his shares for a massive profit. Meaning he kept the money for himself.
Free markets isn't a world of robber barons and it isn't of unions either. It is the right of employees to ask for better compensation if the company is doing well. If they don't get it, it is their right to stop working. If they are nothing more than replaceable numbers, att will have new people happy to work...
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The problem is that the CEO put a hiring and payment freeze on their company because of the tightening economy. From what it sounds like, this union accepted that. But then the CEO went and sold off his shares for a massive profit. Meaning he kept the money for himself.
Free markets isn't a world of robber barons and it isn't of unions either. It is the right of employees to ask for better compensation if the company is doing well. If they don't get it, it is their right to stop working. If they are nothing more than replaceable numbers, att will have new people happy to work...
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You're appauling, so you think because the economy is bad a company that had revenue profits of 123 BILLION DOLLARS last year can force there employees to pay more for health insurance and not get there annual pay raises?? Lets just let companies walk all over people because "times are bad"
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...All of the cell companies ( execpt sprint) are making big money but can't put the oney back in to the empl hands...
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People probably pay more for they're wireless bills than they do for cable tv. I pay $120/mo, and I don't have cable.
I think txt messaging is way, way overpriced, people should be able to get unlimited txt & pix msgs for $10/mo. I'm just saying the whole wireless industry is overpriced.
I think txt messaging is way, way overpriced, people should be able to get unlimited txt & pix msgs for $10/mo. I'm just saying the whole wireless industry is overpriced.
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You're appauling, so you think because the economy is bad a company that had revenue profits of 123 BILLION DOLLARS last year can force there employees to pay more for health insurance and not get there annual pay raises?? Lets just let companies walk all over people because "times are bad"
No. What I am saying is that, The companies don't care either way. This is definitely a horrible thing that companies do and I am on your side however, we are dealing with a different economic situation here. Most companies are not union and if ATT were not, I can bet a different picture would be in vision. At this particular point in time with lack of jobs and unemployment at an all time high, an ind...
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Read the union website about what we are asking. They sent an email about no wage increases to non union and management. They increased the managers health insurance by 400% this last year. Randall Stephenson decided against taking his 500,000 bonus this year. Sure he has a masters degree and whatever else but the heart of the company is in its customers and employees who take care of the customers. I get an earned income tax credit because i am paid below the poverty line. I have a Bachelors degree and cant afford to go back to school for my Masters Degree right now. I work VERY hard at my job and take any oppertunity to make some extra cash. I have two other side jobs that help out a little bit but repaying college loans has been a...
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Read the union website about what we are asking. They sent an email about no wage increases to non union and management. They increased the managers health insurance by 400% this last year. Randall Stephenson decided against taking his 500,000 bonus this year. Sure he has a masters degree and whatever else but the heart of the company is in its customers and employees who take care of the customers. I get an earned income tax credit because i am paid below the poverty line. I have a Bachelors degree and cant afford to go back to school for my Masters Degree right now. I work VERY hard at my job and take any oppertunity to make some extra cash. I have two other side jobs that help out a little bit
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Slammer,
Verizon is non-union. They are a privately held company. They are not reducing their staff, they are paying out bonuses to front line employees, and there are raises going around. Also, the benefits package is great.
You devote alot of time slamming Verizon, but wanna know something? You were not there when they moved 60 plus bikes out of the lobby to provide to families who were too poor to purchase them. You do not see the results of the food drives by employees--for people and animals in shelters. I have seen it and oh yeah, I have pictures too to back it up. Also, our 401(k) matching s fine, our tuition reimbursement is fine, and many other perks. No cuts.
Verizon takes very good care of its employees and they devote al...
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Verizon is non-union. They are a privately held company. They are not reducing their staff, they are paying out bonuses to front line employees, and there are raises going around. Also, the benefits package is great.
You devote alot of time slamming Verizon, but wanna know something? You were not there when they moved 60 plus bikes out of the lobby to provide to families who were too poor to purchase them. You do not see the results of the food drives by employees--for people and animals in shelters. I have seen it and oh yeah, I have pictures too to back it up. Also, our 401(k) matching s fine, our tuition reimbursement is fine, and many other perks. No cuts.
Verizon takes very good care of its employees and they devote al...
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Slammer,
Verizon is non-union. They are a privately held company. They are not reducing their staff, they are paying out bonuses to front line employees, and there are raises going around. Also, the benefits package is great.
You devote alot of time slamming Verizon, but wanna know something? You were not there when they moved 60 plus bikes out of the lobby to provide to families who were too poor to purchase them. You do not see the results of the food drives by employees--for people and animals in shelters. I have seen it and oh yeah, I have pictures too to back it up. Also, our 401(k) matching s fine, our tuition reimbursement is fine, and many other perks. No cuts.
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I am just curious, how much did you make last year? In my market, many reps are making more than the manager with multpile raises a year plus far superior health benefits. The company is trying to save jobs by cutting back, the alternative is more jobs cuts. choose
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Why are those the choices? Why is GM begging for bail out money when its CEO makes more than his Japanese counterparts? It is funny these guys are all about paying dividends and walking away with bonuses. You never see them suggest freezing their wages or capping their benefits which would save much more money than chopping a few jobs at the bottom of the totem pole.
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Last time I checked, we are not GM. Our CEO asked the board not to pay him and they did not. Manager wages have been frozen, cost of health care has gone up for managers. So please, talk about the issue at hand. We are not the banking industry, the car industry or any other industry looking for a handout. We are a business trying to make money and minimize the people that lose their jobs by cutting expenses.
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Re: BEND OVER verizon is screwing you again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Azeron   Feb 1, 2009, 1:59 PM
You're obviously not an employee. Yeah, I'd rather they cut incentives than jobs.
Azeron. Isn't this what ATT is trying to do?
I will refrain from comments that reflect your above with ones posted in here but Azeron, The economy sucks and record numbers of people are losing their jobs everyday. ATT is not my favorite company, however I commend their wishes to stay competitive. They could very easily do what you believe in the above statement. People need to realize that the unions are not as powerful as they once were and not immune to the demographics of the economy. I commend your speech in defending job benefits. I am all about...
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by Azeron   Feb 1, 2009, 1:59 PM
You're obviously not an employee. Yeah, I'd rather they cut incentives than jobs.
Azeron. Isn't this what ATT is trying to do?
I will refrain from comments that reflect your above with ones posted in here but Azeron, The economy sucks and record numbers of people are losing their jobs everyday. ATT is not my favorite company, however I commend their wishes to stay competitive. They could very easily do what you believe in the above statement. People need to realize that the unions are not as powerful as they once were and not immune to the demographics of the economy. I commend your speech in defending job benefits. I am all about...
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i dont make nearly as much as a cor store rep in commission. and im the manager of an auth retailer and im not complaining.
this is bullsh!t, simply because unions are bullsh!t.
I could see where unions come in to play with old times for better work environments and stuff but this is just out of hand.
if you dont like your pay, quit or find a better job. or DEAL WITH IT.
this is bullsh!t, simply because unions are bullsh!t.
I could see where unions come in to play with old times for better work environments and stuff but this is just out of hand.
if you dont like your pay, quit or find a better job. or DEAL WITH IT.
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wrightN said:
this is bullsh!t, simply because unions are bullsh!t.
Hey now - this particular strike is a bad idea in the eyes of many (including CWA member & AT&T employee yours truly), but if you take even a passing glace at the history of organized labor in this country, you've got a lot to thank Unions for. You said yourself that in old times for better work environments, well, how did you work environment get the way it is?
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thats what i meant.
unions back then set the frontier for acceptable and about acceptable working conditions which is awesome.
but now people complaining because they don't make enough, cmon now.
if you dont like your job there isn't anyone stopping you from quitting. they need to stop bitching and be fortunate they have a job instead of begging.
thats what i meant about it dude
unions back then set the frontier for acceptable and about acceptable working conditions which is awesome.
but now people complaining because they don't make enough, cmon now.
if you dont like your job there isn't anyone stopping you from quitting. they need to stop bitching and be fortunate they have a job instead of begging.
thats what i meant about it dude
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Most AT&T employees don't really have much choice in the matter. We strike or we get fined and/or get sued by our union for wages/commission earned for crossing the line.
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I just started with the company in June and in fact am making more money than my previous job so I'm happy for now, but I know alot of reps who are selling more than they EVER have and being paid about 45% compared to what they used to. Seem fair?
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I just started with the company in June and in fact am making more money than my previous job so I'm happy for now, but I know alot of reps who are selling more than they EVER have and being paid about 45% compared to what they used to. Seem fair?
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Believe me I am very happy to have the job and as you said we can be fined for wages earned plus interest by the union if we cross the line. No one is giving us info on how to get out of the union either. So for now I support the fellow employees who voted to strike. If you didnt vote you have no say in it because your vote could have mattered if you didnt want to strike. It wasnt hard to walk to the place to check mark a box. Maybe for some it was..but its frustrating to hear people mad about it who didnt vote.
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Not fair at all, and this is where unions still validate their usefulness. It isnt to be considered petty in the least that they want to strike because the company is still making record profits while hiding behind the guise of the "bad economy" to fire 18,000 people (why did this go so unreported???) raise employee health coverage premiums, and deny raises. what theyre essentially doing is trying to creep their work force back toward making wages that leave them below their normal standard of living, and doing it because they feel they can get away with it because most other alternatives for said employees are far more bleak at the moment. Very similar to slavery in that sense.... better to have the scraps and whippings that youre getti...
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While I'm certainly going to stand up to any idiot who says Unions are a bad idea, this particular strike at this particular time is just not terrifically wise.
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There you go again, immediately ripping someone for their opinion when you didn't like being ripped for yours.
My father was the President of one of the largest police department unions in the US (top 15) but I will win any debate with you on the fact that the CWA is a union for skilled workers.
My father was the President of one of the largest police department unions in the US (top 15) but I will win any debate with you on the fact that the CWA is a union for skilled workers.
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What the prevailing attitude I'm fighting against is people who say: "This particular strike is a bad idea, ergo: Organized Labor is inherently corrupt. My poor experience with a union supports my premise".
I don't know what kind of education you have, but anyone who's taken basic logic or philosophy, or even sat through one debate class in high school should recognize how much of a fallacy that is.
In the post above, I'm not ripping anyone for their opinion. And even over in the AT&T forum, I'm criticising people who use this particular labor dispute as evidence/support for ripping on labor.
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What the prevailing attitude I'm fighting against is people who say: "This particular strike is a bad idea, ergo: Organized Labor is inherently corrupt. My poor experience with a union supports my premise".
I don't know what kind of education you have, but anyone who's taken basic logic or philosophy, or even sat through one debate class in high school should recognize how much of a fallacy that is.
In the post above, I'm not ripping anyone for their opinion. And even over in the AT&T forum, I'm criticising people who use this particular labor dispute as evidence/support for ripping on labor.
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So if it is not skilled labor why do they need a union? Can't the workers stand on their own? Can't the strongest survive and thrive?
I have been in the wireless industry to 16 years with the past 4 as an owner of a chain of 6 stores (soon to be 16). I offer incentives to hire and keep workers who show drive and determination. I can reward those who do well without having to reward those who hit minimum standards as a group.
I have been in the wireless industry to 16 years with the past 4 as an owner of a chain of 6 stores (soon to be 16). I offer incentives to hire and keep workers who show drive and determination. I can reward those who do well without having to reward those who hit minimum standards as a group.
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So if it is not skilled labor why do they need a union? Can't the workers stand on their own? Can't the strongest survive and thrive?
Rather than try to respond to your quasi-Darwinian analogy questions, I'll simply ask that you read something that talks about the general history & philosophy of the U.S. labor movement, like, say: A People's History of the United States (read it with skepticism, of course, no one's ideas are to be swalloed wholesale.) I'd also recommend you take a look at this:
http://www.cwa-union.org/att/fact-sheets/comparison- ... »
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I am in this discussion because you would rip those who did not agree with your opinion. Furthermore I do not agree with the concept of a union for non-skilled workers. What you conveniently skipped over was the fact that I do understand and lived in a union household, albeit a government union.
Why exactly should you work to build up the benefits for a group that is unskilled when you could work to better yourself? Why are you going to school if you don't agree with this philosophy? Don't you agree that more skill = better job = better support for your family? Why should those who have significantly less skill than you get paid the same for doing less?
Why exactly should you work to build up the benefits for a group that is unskilled when you could work to better yourself? Why are you going to school if you don't agree with this philosophy? Don't you agree that more skill = better job = better support for your family? Why should those who have significantly less skill than you get paid the same for doing less?
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I am in this discussion because you would rip those who did not agree with your opinion. Furthermore I do not agree with the concept of a union for non-skilled workers. What you conveniently skipped over was the fact that I do understand and lived in a union household, albeit a government union.
Why exactly should you work to build up the benefits for a group that is unskilled when you could work to better yourself? Why are you going to school if you don't agree with this philosophy? Don't you agree that more skill = better job = better support for your family? Why should those who have significantly less skill than you get paid the same for doing less?
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but what you also fail to realize is that companies now know that rewarding employees and retaining employees cost less in the long run than short changing them. this has been the trend for a few decades. but at what point does a business put it's profit in jeopardy to keep employees happy? a capitalist market is going to have cycles. it's kind of the point of being capitalist.....
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but what you also fail to realize is that companies now know that rewarding employees and retaining employees cost less in the long run than short changing them. this has been the trend for a few decades. but at what point does a business put it's profit in jeopardy to keep employees happy? a capitalist market is going to have cycles. it's kind of the point of being capitalist.....
Companies have always known that. The "incentives" they offered in the past though were all negative. In other words, "do what I ask or you lose a day's wage." Unions keep these folks honest.
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consider how illegals are treated by some big orange growers.
they are also illegal. meaning they shouldn't be here. i'm just say...
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The problem I have with your assessment and others here is that it is a PROVEN historical fact that without labor unions, our economy and free market capitalism would have dissolved years ago.
The reason that ANY business offers incentives to its workers is because they want to keep unions OUT. If unions didn't exist, companies would eventually return to their old practice of paying as little as they could legally get by with while amassing great wealth for themselves. Thus, the middle class in America becomes extinct- then eventually the number of wealthy people follow that trend. The end result is a third world country that consists of a very few very rich folks and a large mass of very poor.
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I have the most respect for you and your opinions. You are quite intelligent and I love your debates on many issues. But I need to disagree with you here. Your thoughts on the unions are of how they once operated years ago. I was a union worker and also a non union worker. Modern day unions are breaking this country by creating corporate vs workers. The unions were developed to help both company and employees. Now it has become a bargaining chip for greed. For too long, workers were demanding huge pay and less work when in fact the non workers are pumping out more productivity and return on the companies investment. This was what built this country. My grandparents worked hard and helped build this count
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I agree that unions aren't what they once were, and some have even hurt the very workers they were intended to help. I also agree that many government policies and laws created for unions are bad and counterproductive.
That said, Companies that are turning profits need to be held accountable by those who are responsible for their success. While I agree with your above statements, another factor in this equation is that companies are now developing more creative ways to to get rid of their high paying employees and replace them with contracted labor or overseas help. The greed issue runs both ways.
These days, many contract disputes aren't necessarily about getting more money, but simply mainta
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jrfdsf said:
The problem I have with your assessment and others here is that it is a PROVEN historical fact that without labor unions, our economy and free market capitalism would have dissolved years ago.
There is no proven historical fact that because something happen it prevented something else that may have happened. That is called a theory, not a proven fact.
It is a fact that there are labor unions. It is a fact that your username is jrfdsf. It is my opinion that you are wrong. It is your theory (and maybe others as well) that you wrote above.
Global Warming is a fact. The theory behind it is what is actually causing said warming.
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As cold as the last two winters have been, I'm not so sure about the global warming thing. 🤣
Theory or fact, capitalism was going down the crapper in the early part of the twentieth century, and had things continued, they only would have gotten worse.
America has become the most rich and prosperous nation since that time, and unions have raised the standard of living and created a thriving middle class as a result. The old system didn't even come close.
Unions prevent further government intrusion into the business world because they are able to negotiate contracts between workers and management. Without them, we would have even more rules, regulations, and lawsuits than we do now. When people are allowed to work out their own d...
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Theory or fact, capitalism was going down the crapper in the early part of the twentieth century, and had things continued, they only would have gotten worse.
America has become the most rich and prosperous nation since that time, and unions have raised the standard of living and created a thriving middle class as a result. The old system didn't even come close.
Unions prevent further government intrusion into the business world because they are able to negotiate contracts between workers and management. Without them, we would have even more rules, regulations, and lawsuits than we do now. When people are allowed to work out their own d...
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Remember Global Cooling, it was all the rage in the 70's. Amazing we've all forgotten and now the world turned against us so fast.....anyway back on subject.
How about the perfect scenario:
What if the governement got smaller?
What if ppl used common sense and took responsibility for their actions without lawsuits?
What if companies weren't called greedy and gave back to their workers?
What if workers were motivated to do a good job to keep the company running and have customers come back?
What if globalization stabilized and wages were the same every where? Although some places do have strenghts and must be relied on for natural resources for certain things.
This all existed before unions, worldwide. Yes we were all poor and yes...
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How about the perfect scenario:
What if the governement got smaller?
What if ppl used common sense and took responsibility for their actions without lawsuits?
What if companies weren't called greedy and gave back to their workers?
What if workers were motivated to do a good job to keep the company running and have customers come back?
What if globalization stabilized and wages were the same every where? Although some places do have strenghts and must be relied on for natural resources for certain things.
This all existed before unions, worldwide. Yes we were all poor and yes...
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texaswireless said:
There you go again, immediately ripping someone for their opinion when you didn't like being ripped for yours.
My father was the President of one of the largest police department unions in the US (top 15) but I will win any debate with you on the fact that the CWA is a union for skilled workers.
There are many kinds of unions. Some are good, some are bad. Not in what they are designed for, but in how they are operated and used for. Unions were the strength in a time when workers productivity was high and economic levels were inconsistant. You could work your ass off and still be victimized by a short layoff. Dues paid into the union would help supplement any down time from work while...
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It's easy to say the company is sticking it to their employees, but the reality is AT&T employees do not work anywhere NEAR mimimum wage and they have benefits, which puts them comfortably above a significant portion of the workforce.
You don't need a degree, in fact you could basically walk off the street as a high school graduate and become a sales person in the wireless industry. That makes it an "entry level" position. For an entry level position, wireless employees as a whole have it better than most. Those represented by unions have it even better.
Wireless companies reinvest huge amounts of their profits into expanding and improving the systems. And although sales people are important, you could have the world's greatest sal...
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You don't need a degree, in fact you could basically walk off the street as a high school graduate and become a sales person in the wireless industry. That makes it an "entry level" position. For an entry level position, wireless employees as a whole have it better than most. Those represented by unions have it even better.
Wireless companies reinvest huge amounts of their profits into expanding and improving the systems. And although sales people are important, you could have the world's greatest sal...
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Um they lowered our comission byr about 66% and upped our cost of health care... they are more then sticking it to us..
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they also have a huge debt to pay off... remember that? or did you forget about the mergers of the past few years. randal stephenson is just short of an economic genius. 41 billion for at&t wireless, 16 billion for at&t, 81 billion for bellsouth... that's what they have bought in less than 5 years. and don't forget about the centennial, edge and way port buys. they are matching health care that a lot of industries are going to and commission gets changed every year. they also lowered quotas but you forgot to mention that as well. i am openly critical of the company i work for in many areas but not this one. i was pissed last year when they changed health care but it's taught a good lesson and we actually treat going to the doctor like any ot...
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Um after the ammount of profit the announced for last year i doubt thats an issue
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Lowered quotas???? You must work for sprint. When I started I needed $12 per opp in features and got paid 85% on them, now the quota is $25 per opp and I get paid 50%. That doesn't sound like lowering my quota. That's RAISING the quota and LOWERING the pay.
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There are points on both sides of the argument. One point is that companies will be trying to cut down any "added" expenses. While top ceo's for the most part will feel less of a pinch than the average union worker in my view of things union workers already have higher pay than the average non-union worker. I'm sure that there is more to this story than meets the eye. Many of you say that union nowadays are not needed, well that's where you are wrong. If there were more unions around, then you might not see as high as an unemployment rates as you do now. Employees alone can do very little because one person quitting isn't that big of a deal. 20,000 people on the other hand is gonna damage your business operations. Perhaps even if we ...
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You are so right! Not one person should be allowed to do anything unless it is done perfectly!
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I think alot of you people that are against the strike dont realize exactly whats going on at at&t, well let me tell you. For the past year at&t has claimed they have grown in the industry and is making all this money but everything they are doing behind the curtain says otherwise. Our sales goals are crazy and people are getting fired because they cant sell $2,700.00 in feature revenue to customers they are unemployeed or penny pinching to save money. at&t dose not care about the economy as long as we hit our goals. Not only are they raising our goals but they are now paying us less to hit that same goal. On top of that they are freezing wage increases. which sucks for people like my self that have bills to pay. I understand that thier are ...
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I think alot of you people that are against the strike dont realize exactly whats going on at at&t, well let me tell you. For the past year at&t has claimed they have grown in the industry and is making all this money but everything they are doing behind the curtain says otherwise. Our sales goals are crazy and people are getting fired because they cant sell $2,700.00 in feature revenue to customers they are unemployeed or penny pinching to save money. at&t dose not care about the economy as long as we hit our goals. Not only are they raising our goals but they are now paying us less to hit that same goal. On top of that they are freezing wage increases. which sucks for people like my self that have bills to
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Maybe your missing everyone elses point including mine. I love what I do, I love technology, and I love this industry, thats why I stay. Not everyone can say they truly love what they do on a day to day basis, im frustrated with the way this company is treating us, thats why we are part of the union, instead of the company shrinking my pay check they need to think some other way to crunch numbers, Like I said before, our sales goals are crazy and the company is paying us less to hit that same goal, so they clearly need to lessen our goals especially if they are going to pay us less for them. Thats why we have a union so we can negotiate these terms, and the only reason why a strike might happen is because the contract ends at midnight tonig...
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Maybe your missing everyone else's point including mine. I love what I do, I love technology, and I love this industry, thats why I stay. Not everyone can say they truly love what they do on a day to day basis, I'm frustrated with the way this company is treating us, thats why we are part of the union, instead of the company shrinking my pay check they need to think some other way to crunch numbers, Like I said before, our sales goals are crazy and the company is paying us less to hit that same goal, so they clearly need to lessen our goals especially if they are going to pay us less for them. Thats why we have a union so we can negotiate these terms, and the only reason why a strike might happen is because
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This is happening every day in America. Without unions, ALL of us would be in a bind.
I don't belong to a union. My company gives me challenging sales goals. What do I do? I figure out ways to meet those goals. If I believe them to be unreasonable, I look for another opportunity elsewhere.
Am I in a bind? No. Have I had to cut back? Yes. So now I don't go to the movies as much. I don't buy PS3 games all the time. I don't eat out every week. I don't order pay per view events. There are literally THOUSANDS of dollars I save simply by reducing excess spending. I've gotten used to those things, but they are not essential. When my job is based on commissions and people are spending less...I too have ...
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That's nice that you are not union but are you corporate or do you go by your own companies goals? They have come down hard on corporate reps but they have stopped one thing that was annoying was the "flipping" of features. 19.99 unlimited texting to be flipped for the 20.00 unlimited texting...
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AT&T has expectations for agents. When I started I sold wireless products only. Now AT&T expects us to generate home phone, DSL and Direct TV sales, too. Change is the nature of the business. We adapt to meet that or we find a different job.
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When IS the time? Honestly. If AT&T's profits are up (and they are thanks to their Iphone exclusive) and they can justify this then when/if the company has a downturn what will they be allowed to do? My company has no Union and they can pretty much do what they will. If AT&T can do the same then the workers may as well decertify the CWA. I've always thought the Union was unneccessary in telecommunications companies but maybe they will prove me wrong...
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