Apple Brings New Functionality to iPhone

Correct, cannot blame at&t for this one.

I love how if I love the iPhone, I think Steve Jobs is god.

God doesn't say, "People don't read anymore" like Steve just did. He's human.

Do you think Steve also decided to DRM music??? Eat a ball loser. I'm sure it wasn't Apple's fault for the ringtone thing. It's corporate Lawyers in the recording and copyright industry. Take your head out of your butts.

Riiight. That explains why virtually every other phone on the planet can use any old MP3 as a ring tone.

Apple gimped the iPhone deliberately for reasons only Steve knows.

Nokia, Sony Ericsson, LG, Sanyo, Samsung, HTC... they can all use any old MP3 as a ring tone.

Apple? Nope. Can't do it.

Want to send an MMS? Can't do that either.

Replace the battery? Sorry, you're not authorized to do that.

I'd give them a pass on the iPhone not being 3G enabled, except that they tried to claim it was for power management reasons. Which is totally bogus, and implies to me that they don't think their customers are smart enough to know better.

Keep your Kool-Aid for yourself.

.....let's be INTELLIGENT thinkers for just ONE minute.

If EVERY song you downloaded on iTunes was enabled for ringtones, that would equal more money for iTunes....

Because, you pay another dollar on top of the dollar you already paid for that song to become a ringtone...

That means, more money for iTunes, and happier customers....

So, is Steve Jobs, one of the smartest marketing men in America, passing, ON PURPOSE, another chance to make money?????

Yeah, you're right. He's restricting it for reasons HE only knows.

I love grape kool-aid. I like how I can control the amount of sugar.

How exactly are customers who are being scammed out of more of their money happier customers?

I don't know of any iPhone owners who are happy about the fact that they can't use their own MP3s as ring tones.

Face it, you've been jobbed.

You're misunderstanding what I'm saying:

You said you didn't like how you couldn't make a ringtone out of all your iTunes tracks....

You didn't say "I'm mad cause they won't let me use already bought songs as ringtones."

So, before you assume, realize I think it's stupid you have to pay for ringtones for any carrier. Period.

I'm not defending iTunes or Jobs. I was just stating why you can't make every iTunes song a ringtone....

Yup.

I understand what you're saying, but I said MP3 not iTunes track.

So yes, I did in fact say something along the lines of "I'm mad because they won't let me use already purchased songs as ring tones." And yes, you can do that with virtually any other phone that can play MP3s at all.

Personally I don't mind paying for ring tones under some circumstances. Some ring tones aren't songs, for example, and so paying for just the right sound might be the only way for you to get that ring tone.

But I see no reason to deliberately gimp a phone and prevent it from being able to use user-created ring tones regardless of the source (whether that is iTunes or not).

You can always burn an iTunes track to an audio CD and re-rip it in order to t...
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Ah, i see.

You can always jailbreak your phone and give it that ability. That raises the need for a little computer knowledge, but it can be done.

Hey, Apple made the phone to makes tons of money, and they've been succesful in doing so.

hahahahaaa....deliberately....


not EVERY phone can do any mp3 ringtone. give yourself a break from that rant.

and it is record labels not letting you do it. trust me.

Yeah, you'll notice I said virtually every other phone on the planet.

Some of them can't use MP3s at all, even just to play them. Those phones are excused from the discussion.

It's not the record labels. If it were the record labels, then every phone would be just as restricted as the iPhone.

But they're not. Apple chose to gimp the iPhone. They made that decision all on their own. In fact, they had to go to extra effort to gimp it the way they did... it would have been much easier to allow any MP3 to be used as a ring tone.

Don't get me wrong, there are things about the iPhone that are absolutely revolutionary. The user interface is incredible. I have to wonder why no one else ever thought to use ballistic g...
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#1: Apple is losing money by not allowing EVERY song to be made into a ringtone.

#2: Companies didn't care too much because other phones AREN'T the iPhone. (The most desired phone in the world.)

#3: I agree, they kinda gimped it. But it's damn solid. Sorry it can't open bottles, or shave your face, but for what it can do, and what it currently is, it's my #1 pick.

I'm not a fanboi. This is what I wish it did as well:

1: CDMA man, CDMA! I hate the buzz of the GSM signal. Totally ticks me off.
2: Video recorder
3: Stereo Bluetooth
4: No Carrier Locking

I know they'll make more money locked onto AT&T, but honestly. I wish more companies would sell their phones without going through a carrier.

I honestly wonder about the "desirability" of the iPhone. I personally know only 8-10 people who have an iPhone, and MOST of them didn't know about its limitations. They bought it because they drank the Apple Kool-Aid and basically salivate over everything Apple does. I didn't list all of its problems to them because I'm a nice guy, and if they haven't noticed its problems already then they obviously don't need those features.

A couple of them looked at the iPhone objectively and decided that the good points (which it has) outweighed the bad points (which it also has). I don't personally agree with them, but that's probably because I value different things on my phone than they do. But they made an informed decision, which I respect....
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Well, it's a high end mid level phone. And you have to remember, I think it's more of an iPod than a phone. So, it's not the greatest phone on the market. I said it's the most desired phone on the market.

Let's face it. The majority of people can't use smart phones. It's just a little over their heads. (Like using DOS on a computer).
The iPhone and iPods are successful because they merge functionality with style.

BUT, I think the phone WILL be higher end once the iPhone Developers Kit will go public. Then adding apps will be easier, thus improving the phone's overall capabilities.

Which will make it a low High end phone...

I prefer it. It does all that I want in a phone. I'm not a super smart phone must do everything kinda guy,...
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Add in a couple of enhancements and I'll probably buy one as well. As I've said before, the user interface is stunningly good.

Add 3G to it (Seattle has good coverage, so I require 3G on my phone), let it work with Microsoft Exchange, and get rid of all the stupid little limitations that were put into the phone and it would be pretty close to the ultimate phone that a lot of people seem to think it already is.

Let me use my pictures how I want. Let me use my MP3s how I want. Movies. MMS. You know, the stuff that most phones can already do.

That's what's so frustrating about the iPhone... it's a nice device, but it could have been great.

use movies and music like you want? What do you mean by that?

I want to be able to use my MP3s as ring tones. Or as notifications.

I want to be able to take videos with the camera, even if they're just QCELP sized.

I want to be able to share pictures and video clips with friends via MMS.

Just simple things that virtually any other phone can do.

Well, try doing full web browsing on "any other phone" and tell me if it compares to the iPhone.

Tell me if "Cover Flow" is available on every other phone.

Tell me if you can purchase music videos, tv shows, movies, and music on any other phone.

You know, simple things that only the iPhone is capable of doing right now.

You lose some features, you win some features. What's great is that all it takes is a little update to increase what the phone can do. Try updates on "virtually any other phone" and tell me if they ever make them any better.

Yeah, I can do full web borwsing on my phone. I also have a touch flow user interface, but it's not nearly as nice as the iPhones.

Yeah, I can purchase music videos, etc, on my phone too. iTunes isn't the only way to do that, you know.

And actually, you're making my point for me. What Apple included is software that can be easily upgraded. Just like other phones can also be easily upgraded. (Typically not over the air, but personally I don't see that as all that big of an advantage. Upgrading while connected to my desktop is fine with me.)

What Apple failed to include are the hardware things that everyone else already has, and which they can't fix without making you buy another phone.

You're straying from specifics. What are you looking for in a phone?

You can't buy over the air movies on any other carrier. At least, movies worth watching.

You're right: just about any phone can be upgraded...but after a year, hardly anyone works on upgrades for phones anymore. Try getting a solid upgrade on a phone released last year. Usually won't happen. Look how long it took Windows Mobile 6 to get on the blackjack. It was announced a long time ago. Came out today. At least apple comes out with upgrades consistantly.

Adding in something that was deliberately left out hardly counts as an upgrade.

I don't think they're deliberately leaving things out. I'd rather get the phone on the market and have it be solid than a rushed phone with features that work half the time. They're working out the kinks on the phone and adding to it as they go along.

Especially once the Apps program allows 3rd party apps, this phone will be amazing.

But 3rd party apps are just another example of what I'm talking about... virtually every other phone on the market allows for 3rd party apps right out of the box.

Apple deliberately left out that functionality.

Now that they're adding it back in people talk like Apple's doing something great. They're not... they're covering up for a major mistake.

If Apple ever gets around to actually adding new functionality instead of just filling in the holes they shot in their own phone - meaning something that's not commonly available on other phones - then I'll be willing to re-evaluate my opinion of their practices.

Until then they're the same old Apple. They know what you need better than you do. You will be happy with what Appl...
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Assimilated? It's a damn cell phone, not a religion. Get a life.

This is why Apple left out 3rd party apps: They wanted the phone to be on the market for awhile. Steve Jobs stated that he didn't want to do it just yet, that he wanted this to be controlled. How many times do you get a treo and put on 3rd party apps only to have them miserably fail. I've had that happen a couple of times, so I'm glad they're pacing this one out.

And everytime they do fix "a hole" as you put it, it's like mini christmas. I like it.

For what it does, it's damn nice. For what it doesn't, I could care less. It does everything I want it to.

What specifically do you want it to do?

Then why do so many Apple supporters treat it like a religion?

I'm not saying you're one of them, but why are there so many Apple fanbois out there? They seem to exist in far higher numbers when it comes to Apple than for anything else.

Apple encourages it. It lets them get away with leaving out common features so that they can release them later and actually get a positive response for being late.

Sorry, but I'm not falling for the Apple scam. I'm not blinded by Jobs' aura.

The emperor's not wearing any clothes. Which is fine with me, but I'm not going to let people tell me how great his outfit looks.

meh, better late than never.