Cingular To Charge Non-GSM Subscribers
This could actually drive those 4.7 million to another carrier...
It could. But you gotta remember, most of those 4.7 million people are on old plans that already got bumped up to at least $30/mo.
they're costing cingular money... why shouldn't cingy try to recoup on their loss?
they're costing cingular money... why shouldn't cingy try to recoup on their loss?
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If people want to use antiquated technology, let them go to a smaller regional carrier...
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Uh, if you are using a PM-325 that's not exactly an antiquated phone and would not be the type of device Cingular is looking to charge older customers for using.
We're talking BAG PHONES and crap here man. We're talking old Nokias with green and black screens. None of your fancy shmancy slidey thingamadoodle.
But then again, what do you have to worry about? You're with Sprint, who reported a net loss in Q1.
We're talking BAG PHONES and crap here man. We're talking old Nokias with green and black screens. None of your fancy shmancy slidey thingamadoodle.
But then again, what do you have to worry about? You're with Sprint, who reported a net loss in Q1.
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TinyJ316 said:
If people want to use antiquated technology, let them go to a smaller regional carrier...
True. 4.7 million deep.
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TinyJ316 said:
It could. But you gotta remember, most of those 4.7 million people are on old plans that already got bumped up to at least $30/mo.
they're costing cingular money... why shouldn't cingy try to recoup on their loss?
They're costing Cingular money? Screw Cingular. Those customers are PAYING customers who're just fine and dandy with their CURRENT service.
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LOL They are fine and dandy with their CURRENT sevice till it gets turned off. 🤣 The 282 million dollars they and make would benifit the other 50 million that want to do more with their phones. I'm one of those 50 million that would like to G3 NOW!!! but analog is holding it back.... also that money could go to add towers in areas that have no or poor coverage.... ex. The mountains or rural areas. Maybe all 50 million dont want to do everything with there phones but maybe 25 million would....
heres how I got 282 million please correct me if my thinking is wrong
4.7 mill times 5 = 23.5 mill
23.5 mill times 12 = 282 mill
282 mill is how much they will make in a year. just for charging that.
Good move I'm ready for G3 in all ar...
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heres how I got 282 million please correct me if my thinking is wrong
4.7 mill times 5 = 23.5 mill
23.5 mill times 12 = 282 mill
282 mill is how much they will make in a year. just for charging that.
Good move I'm ready for G3 in all ar...
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newevox360 said:
heres how I got 282 million please correct me if my thinking is wrong
4.7 mill times 5 = 23.5 mill
23.5 mill times 12 = 282 mill
282 mill is how much they will make in a year. just for charging that.
Good thing you had access to Cingular's books.
G3?
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thats so wrong couldn't they just send them a letter, or offer them some other incentive to switch....charging them 5 bucks! a month is absurd.
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no need to insult me guy really shows allot about you, I said some other incentives. I would think retaining close to five million customers, that they would take any steps necessary (free phones, free month, etc) surly they could recoup the cost to do so in the long run.
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wow, i actually agree with ArmySF. I need to go run outside and see if pigs are flying around 🤣 But being a Verizon guy I hope they don't I am sure this will help their stellar customer service ratings.
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cingy is even waiving their upgrade fee plus giving them a free phone, thats better than goin to a different provider but i guess alot of people would jsut switch in spite...
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ArmySF said:
thats so wrong couldn't they just send them a letter, or offer them some other incentive to switch....charging them 5 bucks! a month is absurd.
Why do that when you can alienate 8% of your subscriber base?
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I guess Cingular, or any other analog or CD/TDMA
outfit is suppose to just keep their old equipment running for free? It costs a LOT of money to maintain this old equipment, for just "a few" subscribers. It's a costs/profits situation, and since we live in a CAPITALIST country, then they have to weigh the costs, versus the profit. When they DON'T make money, they have to drop it.
I know there are a lot of people who either live or work out in the sticks, and an old analog phone is the only thing that works, well, with these subscribers, any mobile phone company who has to keep this old equipment running, is money they could be spending on upgrading the area to something more modern. I guess the TV stations should have just kept broadcas...
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outfit is suppose to just keep their old equipment running for free? It costs a LOT of money to maintain this old equipment, for just "a few" subscribers. It's a costs/profits situation, and since we live in a CAPITALIST country, then they have to weigh the costs, versus the profit. When they DON'T make money, they have to drop it.
I know there are a lot of people who either live or work out in the sticks, and an old analog phone is the only thing that works, well, with these subscribers, any mobile phone company who has to keep this old equipment running, is money they could be spending on upgrading the area to something more modern. I guess the TV stations should have just kept broadcas...
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couldn't they just send them some cheap gsm phone for free and let them resign on some crappy $30+ rate plan similar to what they have? If they refuse tat then carge them.
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exactly, charging ppl five bucks will upset many..its sad if thats all cingular could come up with.
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yeah no kidding ... send them offers for free phones and upgrading to a better plan etc.!
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maybe you people just need to do your homework before talking Cingular has plenty of free phones an unadvertised 29.99 plan and when they migrate over we give them an extra 200 bonus minutes so next time you should look into it further
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ok, if it is unadvertised how am i supposed to do my homework 🙄 So why doesn't cingular send a letter out saying hey, you can get a free phone, jump on this 29.99 plan and receive 200 bonus minutes instead of just sending a letter saying we are going to start billing $5 more a month. I was just stating that giving the customers some options with the notice would be a better business practice then just saying hey we are going to start billing you more.
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They did that, offered them free phones, CHEAP ($49) Razr's, and buckloads of minutes, but THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT DONT WANT TO CHANGE!!! Now becasue they have ignored all of the nice ways to get them switched over, they are going to be charged for the ancient service, seems quite fair to me!
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you shouldn't doubt because it's true
we've had that VIP campaign for a very long time now
think of it this way, it's better to prod customers to switch now than to shut off their service completely by 2008
some will just wait until 2008 but at least this could reduce that number
we've had that VIP campaign for a very long time now
think of it this way, it's better to prod customers to switch now than to shut off their service completely by 2008
some will just wait until 2008 but at least this could reduce that number
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sangyup81 said:
think of it this way, it's better to prod customers to switch now than to shut off their service completely by 2008
Prod? Like cattle? Nice.
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Actually any customer on the blue side (former AT&T) that have TDMA or analog phones can go into any cingular retailer and get a new gsm phone for free and there is even an unadvertised 29.99 plan that they can get on. So where is the problem?
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Well, think about it. $5 a month from all of these customers is probably making it so that cingular doesn't lose money for the time being.
I mean, $5 x 4,700,000 = $23,500,000.
cingular has probably been losing slightly less than that for the last year or two.
I mean, $5 x 4,700,000 = $23,500,000.
cingular has probably been losing slightly less than that for the last year or two.
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this is just showing that cingular wants/needs people on their network who actually LIKE forward advancements in technology. If those 4.7 million people wanna leave, Fine. They will just have to get new service anyways. Analog phones use more battery power anyway and makes the electric bill higher because the phone is charging more frequently. It would actually SAVE to migrate and move to digital gsm or cdma service.
bottom line for any carrier is Profitablilty. Who cares how many subscribers you have if they aren't making you any money.
but Hey, if they love their analog service so much, it's only $5 extra per month. whats another 17 cents a day? 😉
bottom line for any carrier is Profitablilty. Who cares how many subscribers you have if they aren't making you any money.
but Hey, if they love their analog service so much, it's only $5 extra per month. whats another 17 cents a day? 😉
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there is no reason not to upgrade unless they wanna keep their old cheap plan, cingular is now waiving the upgrade fee for every AMPS/TDMA customer plus free phones
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there is a reason... in some regions TDMA has better/only service compared to GSM.
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i would love to see these regions, any new tower cingy puts up is GSM only and most if not all cingy and former att towers should be integrated and or have gsm on it
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SprintPCSGuy said:
I guess Cingular could give a crap about being in 1st place.
And I guess 4.7 million customers could give a crap about GSM.
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Suncon is dropping their TDMA customers by September 30. They do have the option to renew with GSM but most customers have stated that they do not like the letters and phone calls coming from Suncom. Sources from within told me that T-Mobile is getting ready to buy Suncom by the end of September or beginning of October. This would explain the bullying tactics of Suncom, to a degree. Cingy, on the other hand, is going to lose 75% of that 4.7 million do to just plain stupidity.
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Optimus31 said:
Suncon is dropping their TDMA customers by September 30. They do have the option to renew with GSM but most customers have stated that they do not like the letters and phone calls coming from Suncom. Sources from within told me that T-Mobile is getting ready to buy Suncom by the end of September or beginning of October. This would explain the bullying tactics of Suncom, to a degree. Cingy, on the other hand, is going to lose 75% of that 4.7 million do to just plain stupidity.
Look, you can't FORCE people into anything. Folks like choices, not being forced to acquiesce to a powerful corporation's demands. This is 2006 for God's sake...hasn't Cingular learned anything?
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They can and they will FORCE people in 2008 when the TDMA network shuts down. What they are doing now is a little prodding (where it hurts)
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sangyup81 said:
They can and they will FORCE people in 2008 when the TDMA network shuts down. What they are doing now is a little prodding (where it hurts)
You love that word "prod" don't you? Cattle rancher are you?
Sure, they'll force folks right on down the river to another carrier.
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Maybe, maybe not. It's not like anyone else is going to have a TDMA network after 2008 either.
Besides, Cingular doesn't care as long as those accounts go away. Those accounts are operating at a loss, so while migrating the customers to a GSM account would be the preferred solution, losing the customer is better than having to continue to maintain an antique network.
Besides, Cingular doesn't care as long as those accounts go away. Those accounts are operating at a loss, so while migrating the customers to a GSM account would be the preferred solution, losing the customer is better than having to continue to maintain an antique network.
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Roadkill said:
Maybe, maybe not.
Besides, Cingular doesn't care as long as those accounts go away.
Maybe or maybe not? Yeah. I don't think you get the reality of the phrase "pissed off customer". If Verizon started charging me $5 per month 'cause they felt like it, I'd go to Cingular.
Wait. Cingular already does that.
And Cingular doesn't care? We can all see that. Duh.
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Pissed off only carries so far. If the next best thing is still a Cingular account, they'll still be Cingular customers.
But then, that's true regardless.
The only reason these people are still on Cingular in the first place is that they can't find a better deal. And the reason for that is because the rest of us are subsidizing their antique network.
But then, that's true regardless.
The only reason these people are still on Cingular in the first place is that they can't find a better deal. And the reason for that is because the rest of us are subsidizing their antique network.
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Roadkill said:
Pissed off only carries so far. If the next best thing is still a Cingular account, they'll still be Cingular customers.
But then, that's true regardless.
The only reason these people are still on Cingular in the first place is that they can't find a better deal. And the reason for that is because the rest of us are subsidizing their antique network.
Perhaps it's not even finding a better deal, but the ONLY deal. They obviously like their service, but I'm sure they won't go ga-ga over the increase.
Poor you, subsidizing an "antique" network. Do you REALLY think Cingular's pockets are THAT shallow?
"But then, that's true regardless."
Ah, we see your true colors now.
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dude, you have no idea how business works. it doesn't matter how large a company is, it will still hurt it to sustain any customer at a loss. let's see how long you last in a business where you sell service for less than it costs you. 🙄 How does it make people evil to try to turn a profit??? I don't think you would pay your employer for every hour you worked, so why should cingular essentially do the same thing for their customers? It is called Capitalism. If you don't like it, become a bloody communist and move to Cuba.
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theyellowdart said:
dude, you have no idea how business works. it doesn't matter how large a company is, it will still hurt it to sustain any customer at a loss. let's see how long you last in a business where you sell service for less than it costs you. 🙄 How does it make people evil to try to turn a profit??? I don't think you would pay your employer for every hour you worked, so why should cingular essentially do the same thing for their customers? It is called Capitalism. If you don't like it, become a bloody communist and move to Cuba.
Or so Cingular says they're losing money. Anything to justify sticking it to the customers arbitrarily, eh?
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Poor you, subsidizing an "antique" network. Do you REALLY think Cingular's pockets are THAT shallow?
Hey genius, where do you think Cingular's money comes from? FYI there's no such thing as a money tree.
Someone has to pay to maintain that antique network, and since you seem to find it offensive that the people using it should be the ones who are to pay for it, who exactly do you think should be paying for it?
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Roadkill said:Poor you, subsidizing an "antique" network. Do you REALLY think Cingular's pockets are THAT shallow?
Hey genius, where do you think Cingular's money comes from? FYI there's no such thing as a money tree.
Someone has to pay to maintain that antique network, and since you seem to find it offensive that the people using it should be the ones who are to pay for it, who exactly do you think should be paying for it?
amen!
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theyellowdart said:Roadkill said:Poor you, subsidizing an "antique" network. Do you REALLY think Cingular's pockets are THAT shallow?
Hey genius, where do you think Cingular's money comes from? FYI there's no such thing as a money tree.
Someone has to pay to maintain that antique network, and since you seem to find it offensive that the people using it should be the ones who are to pay for it, who exactly do you think should be paying for it?
amen!
I'm so thrilled you guys/gals rely on others to make your points for you.
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Roadkill said:Poor you, subsidizing an "antique" network. Do you REALLY think Cingular's pockets are THAT shallow?
Hey genius, where do you think Cingular's money comes from? FYI there's no such thing as a money tree.
Someone has to pay to maintain that antique network, and since you seem to find it offensive that the people using it should be the ones who are to pay for it, who exactly do you think should be paying for it?
Now who's the genius exactly? My argument is that the customers are paying for the network they use with their fees. And now Cingular wants to raise their fees by $5 dollars per month? Try to keep up there, bud.
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Now who's the genius exactly? My argument is that the customers are paying for the network they use with their fees. And now Cingular wants to raise their fees by $5 dollars per month? Try to keep up there, bud.
And you're wrong. The amount that those customers are paying is NOT enough to maintain the network. Their antique network is being subsidized by Cingular's GSM customers.
But keep reveling in your ignorance.
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Roadkill said:Now who's the genius exactly? My argument is that the customers are paying for the network they use with their fees. And now Cingular wants to raise their fees by $5 dollars per month? Try to keep up there, bud.
And you're wrong. The amount that those customers are paying is NOT enough to maintain the network. Their antique network is being subsidized by Cingular's GSM customers.
But keep reveling in your ignorance.
Yeah. That's exactly what it is: Reveling. I just want Cingular to own up to the fact that MAYBE it's a bit harsh to arbitrarily charge customers $5 bucks per month extra.
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muchdrama said:Roadkill said:Now who's the genius exactly? My argument is that the customers are paying for the network they use with their fees. And now Cingular wants to raise their fees by $5 dollars per month? Try to keep up there, bud.
And you're wrong. The amount that those customers are paying is NOT enough to maintain the network. Their antique network is being subsidized by Cingular's GSM customers.
But keep reveling in your ignorance.
Yeah. That's exactly what it is: Reveling. I just want Cingular to own up to the fact that MAYBE it's a bit harsh to arbitrarily charge customers $5 bucks per month extra.
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muchdrama said:
Yeah. That's exactly what it is: Reveling. I just want Cingular to own up to the fact that MAYBE it's a bit harsh to arbitrarily charge customers $5 bucks per month extra.
Harsh? It's harsh to charge people for the service they're using??? ROFLMAO.
It's getting more and more expensive to maintain that antique network, so they're raising rates.
That's not harsh, that's to be expected.
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Roadkill said:muchdrama said:
Yeah. That's exactly what it is: Reveling. I just want Cingular to own up to the fact that MAYBE it's a bit harsh to arbitrarily charge customers $5 bucks per month extra.
Harsh? It's harsh to charge people for the service they're using??? ROFLMAO.
No, it's harsh to charge people MORE than what was agreed to. You don't see Verizon charging me more per month other than what was agreed to.
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This agreement of rates didn't just happen recently. Not to mention rates can change without notice. Even Verizon can raise your rates if they want to.
Not to mention current cingular and Verizon rates are the same. Except cingular has rollover. It's not like these customers are being charged more than the current GSM customers, or Verizon customers. They're being asked to join the standard because it's better for all.
The article says that the FCC says analog must be around until 2008, but may be shut down earlier if no customers are using it before then. So if the old network is shut down before then, then cingular can start building more GSM towers in those areas sooner.
Not to mention current cingular and Verizon rates are the same. Except cingular has rollover. It's not like these customers are being charged more than the current GSM customers, or Verizon customers. They're being asked to join the standard because it's better for all.
The article says that the FCC says analog must be around until 2008, but may be shut down earlier if no customers are using it before then. So if the old network is shut down before then, then cingular can start building more GSM towers in those areas sooner.
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SkillciaX said:
Not to mention rates can change without notice. Even Verizon can raise your rates if they want to.
Fine. Let whatever cellular provider you deal with raise YOUR rates. Then come back and tell me how those folks should feel.
And if Verizon raised my rates I'd be pissed.
Everyone's fast to tell you what's up until it happens to them...then it's another story.
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