Apple and Motorola Finally Launch iTunes Phone
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this phone is old...when did the E398 come out, 2003? they should have made the camera better or something...the itunes thing w/ the mp3 player...what do u need it for? if u have itunes, u have an ipod so why would u want to listen to music from the phone when u have an ipod? plus the quality probably is not as good either! IDK, it wiLL probably sell good though
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It would be weird and not convenient to have one phone and one ipod right next to each other so instead of doing that you can get THIS phone and it would be more convenient because it is a phone and an itunes that plays music all at once.
Time will tell.
perhaps the siri or xm satelite on a cell phone would be better.
Time will tell.
perhaps the siri or xm satelite on a cell phone would be better.
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I agree! Capped at 100 songs? $250? For fifty dollars more I can buy a REAL iPod with 30GB of storage that will store 7500 songs.
Not a good deal. C'mon Apple. The only reason that you capped it at 100 songs is because you don't want it to cut into the iPod Nano sales. If you don't make advances on your own product line, one of your competitors will...
Not a good deal. C'mon Apple. The only reason that you capped it at 100 songs is because you don't want it to cut into the iPod Nano sales. If you don't make advances on your own product line, one of your competitors will...
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Didn't you read? It's a memory cap, not a software cap. If someone releases a Transflash card at more than 512MB then it will accept it.
Kinda like the s710a....it would accept larger Memory Stick Duo cards than 128MB if any existed.
Kinda like the s710a....it would accept larger Memory Stick Duo cards than 128MB if any existed.
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Missed that detail. My mistake, but that doesn't discredit my other point about limitations of usage due to copy protection and crappy audio outputs.
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Since Apple won't release things like signal to noise ratio for the iPod I can't speak to audio output quality, but for a phone to have a standard headphone jack is great, it means you can use your higher quality headphones to improve the sound quality over crappy proprietary earbuds.
As for copy protection, I don't like it either, but talk to the RIAA on that one. Or do what I do and only work with non copy-protected file codec's like MP3.
P2P networks are wonderful things.
As for copy protection, I don't like it either, but talk to the RIAA on that one. Or do what I do and only work with non copy-protected file codec's like MP3.
P2P networks are wonderful things.
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And thanks to the copy protection schemes that the iTunes Music Store uses, you can never get the songs OFF the phone.
If you download from your computer, you can bring it to your iPod, but songs CAN'T be copied off iPods (legally). I'm sure this phone has the same limitation.
So why would I buy a song to listen on just one device? Wouldn't I want to buy my music so that I can listen to it anywhere? Can I hook up this phone to listen to it in my car? Does it support bluetooth headphones so I can listen while I jog? Will I want crappy quality audio coming out of an 1/8 headphone jack to play into an expensive home theater system? 🤣
If you download from your computer, you can bring it to your iPod, but songs CAN'T be copied off iPods (legally). I'm sure this phone has the same limitation.
So why would I buy a song to listen on just one device? Wouldn't I want to buy my music so that I can listen to it anywhere? Can I hook up this phone to listen to it in my car? Does it support bluetooth headphones so I can listen while I jog? Will I want crappy quality audio coming out of an 1/8 headphone jack to play into an expensive home theater system? 🤣
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Doesn't anyone remember that AAC isn't the ONLY file format that iPods and iTunes can work with? I use iTunes with strictly MP3 format and everything works fine.
In regards to the phone not being able to copy onto a computer, that's a function of the DRM protection, not the phone's software. You don't buy songs to listen to on one device, you buy them to listen to on your iPod, your home computer, and you can burn to cd's as well.
Can you hook it up to your car? Yes! If your car stereo has RCA inputs then you can use a stereo patch cable to plug into the standard stereo headphone jack on the phone and it'll play thru your car's speakers. I do the same thing with my MP3 player everyday!
I'm doubting stereo BT though.
In regards to the phone not being able to copy onto a computer, that's a function of the DRM protection, not the phone's software. You don't buy songs to listen to on one device, you buy them to listen to on your iPod, your home computer, and you can burn to cd's as well.
Can you hook it up to your car? Yes! If your car stereo has RCA inputs then you can use a stereo patch cable to plug into the standard stereo headphone jack on the phone and it'll play thru your car's speakers. I do the same thing with my MP3 player everyday!
I'm doubting stereo BT though.
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Yes, you can use MP3, but that's not the format Apple delivers your song via download in. You're stuck with the format that they sell, which is AAC, right?
Will the DRM protection allow me to shuffle purchased songs from this phone to a PC? I guess maybe it's possible seeing it's got USB 2.0, but that would make it quite a bit different than what Apple allows with a standard iPod.
And as for RCA jacks and car usage, I'll stick to listening on CD. I'd rather stay in the digital realm. And that headphone jack ain't gonna cut it for use in my home theater either.
This phone might be a hit for some folks, but not me.
Will the DRM protection allow me to shuffle purchased songs from this phone to a PC? I guess maybe it's possible seeing it's got USB 2.0, but that would make it quite a bit different than what Apple allows with a standard iPod.
And as for RCA jacks and car usage, I'll stick to listening on CD. I'd rather stay in the digital realm. And that headphone jack ain't gonna cut it for use in my home theater either.
This phone might be a hit for some folks, but not me.
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I think you'd better check it in the store and listen its speakerphone. It is the best candybar phone for me so far.
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bjs said:
I think you'd better check it in the store and listen its speakerphone. It is the best candybar phone for me so far.
You're kidding, right? Even if it's the best-sounding phone in the world, that 1/8 headphone jack is going to sound like dirt when plugged into a high-fi system like a $10,000 Lexicon MC-12.
My problem with this phone is the same problem I have with iPods in general. There's no way to get a discrete digital sound direct into your audio system, whether in a car or in a home theater. iPods rely on RCA jacks and even worse, FM transmitters for autos. That's garbage.
Once one of these companies figures out how to do that, I'm in. Hey Moto, maybe include an optical s/pdif out in...
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dude, finding optical outs on ANY mp3 player is RARE right now, let alone any phone that has mp3 capability.
It's pretty well known that the iPod isn't the weapon of choice for most audiophiles, but that's not what it's for. It's a portable music player for the masses, and the masses don't really have terribly discerning ears for the most part. I have a feeling that your problem doesn't nessecarily lie with the digital signal itself, but with the codec. MP3, AAC, WMA and AAC+ are all lossy codecs, meaning that they sacrifice a certain part of the soundstream for higher compression. Try a lossless format like FLAC or AppleLossless and you should be happier, they compress about 50% and still maintain CD quality sound.
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It's pretty well known that the iPod isn't the weapon of choice for most audiophiles, but that's not what it's for. It's a portable music player for the masses, and the masses don't really have terribly discerning ears for the most part. I have a feeling that your problem doesn't nessecarily lie with the digital signal itself, but with the codec. MP3, AAC, WMA and AAC+ are all lossy codecs, meaning that they sacrifice a certain part of the soundstream for higher compression. Try a lossless format like FLAC or AppleLossless and you should be happier, they compress about 50% and still maintain CD quality sound.
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You're absolutely right, Disturbed. The iPod (and this phone) are not the weapon of choice for audiophiles, but I can still dream of having pristine audio everywhere I go 😉
I already use Apple Lossless, so I'm with you there.
I've got a set of HK Soundsticks on my desk. It connects via USB. I wonder if you can output the audio from this phone through USB 2.0? That might appease me...
I already use Apple Lossless, so I'm with you there.
I've got a set of HK Soundsticks on my desk. It connects via USB. I wonder if you can output the audio from this phone through USB 2.0? That might appease me...
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Nope, according to the documentation with the live model I have in-store at the moment it's USB 1.0
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Advances by the competition - like the W800i with 4 times the capacity (2 gigs) - plus a 2mp camera (versus the ROKR's VGA).
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I understand the 850 problem but that's because cingular has an exclusive deal to only sell nokia candybar phones.
As for it being an SE, don't not the phone till you have tried it...
As for it being an SE, don't not the phone till you have tried it...
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I'm with a carrier that doesn't use 850 - and I won't be held hostage to Cingular's attempt at forcing 850 down my throat. The original and default freq in the US is 1900 - that's why all models carry 1900 (if tri-band) but 850 is interchangable.
Agreed with the SE part - to an extent. It's no Nokia, but these days a Moto doesn't mean much either. I can see the Sony side working hard at making a quality product, and I'm happy with mine. If they could only tweak the reception, it would be darn near perfect. I love my W800i.
Agreed with the SE part - to an extent. It's no Nokia, but these days a Moto doesn't mean much either. I can see the Sony side working hard at making a quality product, and I'm happy with mine. If they could only tweak the reception, it would be darn near perfect. I love my W800i.
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This isn't a debate about which frequency is "forced" upon us, it's simple physics. 850 penetrates through buildings much better than the other frequencies. So don't be held hostage the the better frequency, I'll just appreciate my phone working better inside. And it has absolutely nothing to do with nokias, they could operate on any frequency. And for SE's, I've used the z500a and the s710 for some time and haven't been impressed. They have the same problems all the other ones I've tried from the past have - poor signal strength and slow menus and not a chance in hell they'll last longer than a year. If they fix that, I might buy.
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I understamd your problems and I think SE has been addressing it (or at least trying to). The menu response time on my k750 and my w800 are much better that the s700/s710. Plus now that you have the ability to update the firmware on your own via usb and SEUS (Sony Ericsson Update Service) they are trying fix major bugs as soon as they can.
Keep an eye on the w600 (if you want a music phone) and the z520 (succesor to the z500) for Cingular. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.
Keep an eye on the w600 (if you want a music phone) and the z520 (succesor to the z500) for Cingular. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.
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I'm trying to win one of those two in a contest right now. And I always try my contest phones to see if I like them for a significant amount of time before I give them away and sell them. But why did they ditch EDGE in the z520?
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I bitched to one of their dealer reps already and he claimed it wasn't possible to keep with the smaller size and addition of bluetooth.
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for some reason i thought this phone would look a little more sleeker or something. say with a white interface like the ipods. also it kinda sucks that it can only hold 100 songs. i can see the convience though in having a cellphone with itunes, having an ipod myself its like one less thing to lug around.
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yea... the 100 songs is horrible to hold, but as i said and you said regarding lugging two things around it is not so convenient.
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id rather have any of it's competitors: Nokia N91, SE W800, Samsung's hard-drive phone running windows mobile. This is not revolutionary in any other way than overcharging for music downloads
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"if u have itunes, u have an ipod so why would u want to listen to music from the phone when u have an ipod?"
Well, maybe not all of us wish to carry a digital utility belt around with us at all times-- ya think? An iPod, a phone, a camera... geeze how many pockets does a pair of pants have anyway?
I'll tell you one thing: I hope that the display specs listed on the cingular online store have been incorrectly reported. 262 colors? Are you kidding me?
We'll see.
Could an iTunes razor be far behind? That's what i want
Well, maybe not all of us wish to carry a digital utility belt around with us at all times-- ya think? An iPod, a phone, a camera... geeze how many pockets does a pair of pants have anyway?
I'll tell you one thing: I hope that the display specs listed on the cingular online store have been incorrectly reported. 262 colors? Are you kidding me?
We'll see.
Could an iTunes razor be far behind? That's what i want
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Actually, I use iTunes but have no iPod. You don't have to have one to use the program. I like the user interface, the organization and the efficiency with which iTunes rips and burns. I also enjoy the "party shuffle" mode. And I can think of a few times that I wouldn't mind having the ability to just pull out my phone and listen to a few tunes while I've got some downtime.
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But if you would have to pay for the song twice to get it on you phone and your iPod you'd be annoyed right?
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& do u think the battery life is going to be any good on this thing? i doubt it...i dont think its such a hassle to carry around a phone and an ipod either
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Why would you have to pay for the song twice? Do like I do, rip my CD's using QCD, import them to iTunes for the nice interface and copy them out to the phone. I never paid for it twice.
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But that defeats the whole purpose of this phone; to download songs directly via the iTunes Music Store.
I'm not saying that the way you do it is wrong (that's exactly what I do, buy a CD and rip it to iTunes), but you aren't the target customer for this phone. They want customers that are willing to shell $.99 per download on a daily basis.
There's plenty of phones that can play music. Why would you want this one if you're not doing to download?
I'm not saying that the way you do it is wrong (that's exactly what I do, buy a CD and rip it to iTunes), but you aren't the target customer for this phone. They want customers that are willing to shell $.99 per download on a daily basis.
There's plenty of phones that can play music. Why would you want this one if you're not doing to download?
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The purpose of this phone isn't to download directly into the phone over the air. The phone is tied to iTunes. They have to go together. You and I might use other methods to get our music into iTunes, but a whole heckofalot of people go the easy way and use ITMS. It's great in terms of price and selection for those who buy music, but I don't like having my music locked. This will promote iTunes and ITMS even more, which is what Jobs wants.
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I know that may not be the purpose of this device but wouldn't it be cool if you could connect to iTunes over EDGE or UMTS?
Who do you think the #1 music player is going to be (or at least going to try to be) in the US when music on demand via edvo and umts happens???
I'm sure Apple is positioning itself there as well. They would be stupid not to.
Who do you think the #1 music player is going to be (or at least going to try to be) in the US when music on demand via edvo and umts happens???
I'm sure Apple is positioning itself there as well. They would be stupid not to.
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I definitely agree, it would be cool. But it would also require some major changes to ITMS, not just the wireless interface, but the ability to get your songs off your iPod. I don't think too many people who download a song on the go at a premium are going to be happy that they can only keep it on their phone and not get it onto their computer or larger iPod.
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Fair point. I guess I figured you would have the ability to sync back with your iTunes software since it is a legit purchase via iTunes.
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I would sure hope so. I doubt there'd ever be support for this first ROKR phone to direct download since it doesn't even have EDGE. It'd take a fair while and you'd have to be "very very quiet" (think Elmur Fudd from Buggs Bunny) so as to not drop the GPRS connection mid-download.
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ooo. yea, now all they have to do is put bose in there. lol.
(loves and has bose)
(loves and has bose)
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nextel18 said:
It is very good looking and i think it will do quite well.
opinions?
Yes, it's Motorola, and unfortunately "good looking" and "quality" don't go hand in hand with the company. We'll see.
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Let us no be over come by the Motorola "pretty" phone smoke screen, Motorola can produce a visual appealing phones, i.e Razor V3, however when Motorola incorporates several features such as bluetooth and video capture capabilities, they seem to always come up short. Let us not forget the first version of the Razor that had charging issues, or did you no hear about that. Let us not forget Motorola's insufficient batteries lives and "invalid battery" banners after a year of daily charging. In all honest, the ipod phone was good IDEA however first generation Motorola is NEVER a GOOD IDEA. As a Cing rep, stick to the guys that makes phones with the better reception and better sound quality, Nokia and/or Sony Ericsson. You are better off buying...
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SE has the worst RF of any of the major manufacturers. The "award winning" S710a is a pretty good camera for a cellphone, but otherwise a hunk of junk.
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Icyhot said:Havr you owned any SE phones or are you just talking out of the side of your mouth.
SE has the worst RF of any of the major manufacturers. The "award winning" S710a is a pretty good camera for a cellphone, but otherwise a hunk of junk.
I'm on my 4th SE phone and have had no problems here in nyc.
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Only the t637 and the s710a which is currently collecting dust. So, I'm not talking out the side of my mouth as you stated. No need for you to be a smarta$$.
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My apologies then.
Lots of people love to bash carriers, phone manufacturers, etc without ever trying them.
Interested in selling your 2 SE phones?
Lots of people love to bash carriers, phone manufacturers, etc without ever trying them.
Interested in selling your 2 SE phones?
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I would gladly sell the s710a. It's in perfect condition. I even have the 128mb memory card. I no longer have the t637. The s710a is the updated firmware also.
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You private message me and I will give you my phone number. I will sell it anyway you like. Yes you may see pics. You can ask me anything about the phone and have me check anything on it and I will gladly do so.
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Being that I sell a lot of the Sony's, I must say this statement is entirely untrue. Either your specific Sony(s) have had problems, or maybe your market uses a different frequency than the one here...but here in an 850 market our z500a is one of the best. I know the T616 was bad, but the T637 beat out most all of our other phones we had out at the time in RF performance.
If you wanna talk about the phones that have, undoubtedly, the worst reception of any of the GSM phones (atleast for Cingular, I won't make the claim for others) it would hands down be LG. Most all of the Reps that work for our company (dealer--not direct) will not sell LG phones because they suck so bad for GSM. their cdma phones are (apparently) a different story.
If you wanna talk about the phones that have, undoubtedly, the worst reception of any of the GSM phones (atleast for Cingular, I won't make the claim for others) it would hands down be LG. Most all of the Reps that work for our company (dealer--not direct) will not sell LG phones because they suck so bad for GSM. their cdma phones are (apparently) a different story.
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Ok, not gonna turn this into a pissing contest. All I can say is in MY area, SE's have the worst RF (well maybe slightly better than LG GSM phones) although the improved 1400i gets pretty good reception. All of the sales reps at my local Cingular store will echo what I said. Tons of features on their phones but poor RF. Some have said the exact same thing on this particular forum. In my area, the V551 gets better reception than even my 6620. Don't get me wrong, in a Metropolitan area, I'm sure SE's are fine, but once you start getting in somewhat of a fringe area, SE"s will drop signal before Motos or Nokias. I do live in an area where I get both 850 and 1900 bands. For what it's worth, this is my 3rd s710, and one is no different than the o...
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