Verizon Tests EV-DO Rev. A, More Tests To Come

ATT Whaaaaat

NickTriStar said:
ATT Whaaaaat

That was scholarly.

I am deeply sorry. Please pleasen forgive me ☹️

rambofone said:

PsuspectPCS said:
Oh please just like the did with PUSH 2 TALK...LOL...LOL...LOL 🤣 🤣 🤣

Maybe not their first release, but with verizon second release of Ptt, they blow away Sprints ready link. Sprint needs to work on their sub-par network before anything works well.

when comparing PTT, I do not think you are supposed to compare it to Sprint. Are you too afraid to compare it to Nextel? I know alltel is not, they even have a chart comparing it to Nextel and on the same chart it compares theirs to other carriers as well.

PTT that is just pointless. Why are you just talking about one subject. Why don't we talk coverage? Oh wait I forgot Nextel doesn't have any.

Have you heard of Qchat?

nextel18 said:
Have you heard of Qchat?

Sure. We've heard of it. A yet to be implemented PTT protocol that you consider to be the second coming.

You are comparing apples and oranges.

Push 2 Talk and ReadyLink use the same, exact technology.

Both carriers are moving to Release A and implementing QChat...QChat needs some fast call setup facilities that is available with A in order for it to be a real PTT service.

Currently, Push 2 Talk and ReadyLink are VoIP SIP hacks over 1xRTT...poorly implemented at that.

"Both carriers are moving to Release A and implementing QChat...QChat needs some fast call setup facilities that is available with A in order for it to be a real PTT service."

this is wrong. VERIZON CAN NOT use qchat!!!

The exclusive terms are not indefinite, and since the real features of QChat are actually just Release A fast call setup facilities, it wouldnt be hard to write a small app and accomplish the EXACT same thing.

i am telling you, mao, that nextel-sprint will have exclusivity to this product which allows JUST THEM to use this technology and no one else for atleast 5-7 years. (which were the terms by the way)


http://telephonyonline.com/mag/telecom_nextel_streng ... »

"The exclusive agreement with Qualcomm further secures Nextel's unique market position. QChat is Qualcomm's only push-to-talk solution for 3G CDMA, and Nextel will be the only U.S. carrier allowed to use the technology."

"“This deal was smart for Nextel because it is likely that Sprint and Verizon will have to come to Nextel to get licensing rights in the future,” Mallitz said, noting that even Qualcomm's push-to-talk technology may need an additional 18 months of d...
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Considering that article is reaching an age 4 years, the time has now changed. 5-7 years has now become 16-32 month, and if Sprint-Nextel does not implement Rev A for about another 2 years, well, they won't have the exclusive on it for long.

they can always extend the deal by the way, and they signed the deal in 2002, which is only 3 years earlier. so they still have another 2-3 years, with options to extend the contract by the way. in addition, in the contract it is written in a way that if other companies do use it they have to pay both qcom and nextel for royalties. (if you didnt know that, now you do)


("The terms of the deal mean that Qualcomm cannot sell QChat to carriers operating in the same market as either Nextel or its partners. That rules out the U.S., Mexico, Peru, Brazil, Argentina, the Philippines and Japan.")



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i wouldnt worry too much about nextel-sprint protecting their assets.

here is something else for ya.


http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0UKG/is_2 ... »

The terms of the deal mean that Qualcomm cannot sell QChat to carriers operating in the same market as either Nextel or its partners. That rules out the U.S., Mexico, Peru, Brazil, Argentina, the Philippines and Japan.

You dont really need the QChat product in order to have a successfull PTT service. The real engine under the hood is fast call setup, and everyone gets that with Release A.

Some little company is going to write a 2kB app and pick up one juicy contract with Verizon.

Of course you do, becuase their set up calls is extremly fast at about 1-2 seconds and it is about 07-08 timeframe when its coming out so i am sure barry west will make sure that it can be very close to nextel's before the launch.

no other product out there will be the same as qchat. no one(product) has showed 1-2 seconds over the rev a system.

Its not rocket science. There is nothing magical about QChat.

Fastest set up time over the REV A network. it is that simple. (could perhaps be faster when they do a cdma/ofdm hybrid or something of that sort) Most companies dream of their ptt solution (over a network) to be at 1-2 seconds.

Most companies don't honestly care about PTT because it will never take a market over. On a normal cell phone call you talk to the person normally with no lag. People will not move to the PTT just to press a button. You will only dominate a certain section of the market and if you guys don't break out (hint hint purchase of Sprint) and get a bigger share of the market that is all you will ever be. Not to be rude... just blunt.

no problem. your opinion is noted.

well they will dominate in many markets.

1. data arpu
2. prepaid
3. business customers.

You can still dominate a market in those three areas and still lose money instead of making a profit. It's certainly possible.

unlikely though, but yes it is possible.

If you do it correctly (with Sprint) and introuduce and try to revitalize/excite the market with new ideas/products/etc the merger can really be a success.

My problem is it's like signing up for a gym w/o working out. You can pay all that money to merge together, but if you don't put forth the effort, etc nothing will come of it except bills.

Having both a great PTT (Nextel) and hopefully an up and coming (Sprint) "normal" carrier will both produce great profits mixed with the sustainability of customers to stay and buy from Sprint/Nextel Nextel/Sprint. Call it what you want. Only time will tell.

NickTriStar said:
If you do it correctly (with Sprint) and introuduce and try to revitalize/excite the market with new ideas/products/etc the merger can really be a success.

My problem is it's like signing up for a gym w/o working out. You can pay all that money to merge together, but if you don't put forth the effort, etc nothing will come of it except bills.

Having both a great PTT (Nextel) and hopefully an up and coming (Sprint) "normal" carrier will both produce great profits mixed with the sustainability of customers to stay and buy from Sprint/Nextel Nextel/Sprint. Call it what you want. Only time will tell.

"sustainability to stay"... I'm sorry about that crap. It's Friday and I'm tired lo...
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was this to me? lol. becuase you typed to yourself. lol

boy you are tired. lol ...

nextel18 said:
they dont have qchat so it will be very difficult to have a decent product like qchat.

Too bad their product is more than decent already...and let's get 3g out of the way first.

you guys aare alll jokers...i admit there is a couple sour apple in cust care at pcs but that everywhere when is comes to product sprint is #1

Doesn't the network matter most anyways.

A couple bad apples does not justify Sprint's cust care.

And how are their products more advanced?

Their customer care is getting better and will get better when nextel's managment will help improve on that area.

but sprint already has one of the best products out there. there wholesale/mvno business is doing extremly well, their prepaid business is doing very well and their core is doing quite well. they are only 2nd behind nextel in arpu, and data arpu, as well as 2nd behind nextel in lifetime revenue per user. (as pre-merger companies)

when you combine their assets, networks, products and services, industry leading metrics, and most importantly their managment they will dominate this industry.

nextel18 said:
Their customer care is getting better and will get better when nextel's managment will help improve on that area.

but sprint already has one of the best products out there. there wholesale/mvno business is doing extremly well, their prepaid business is doing very well and their core is doing quite well. they are only 2nd behind nextel in arpu, and data arpu, as well as 2nd behind nextel in lifetime revenue per user. (as pre-merger companies)

when you combine their assets, networks, products and services, industry leading metrics, and most importantly their managment they will dominate this industry.

You know u use the same argument over and over. But the truth is...VERIZON HAS MORE CU...
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their resume' speaks for themselves.

verizon has more customers becuase it offers solutions to people who dont like to spend money.

1. nextel-sprint has highier arpu then verizon
2. n-s has highier data arpu then verizon
3. n-s has highier lifetime revenue per user then verizon which is very important.
4. consistent quarterly growth of about 1-2 million per quarter for n-s.

i would rather have people spend a lot of money who has a very nice lifetime revenue per user then have a cheap userbase like vzw has.

verizon has better phones then s-n? hahahah. now that is a funny thing i have heard in quite a long time. vzw has phones no where near the functionality and looks that n-s has. sorry.


they arent a great company?

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nextel18 said:
vzw has phones no where near the functionality and looks that n-s has. sorry.



please research and give facts

Please, educate me on how Nextel and Sprint phones are so much better than VZ.

functionality and services.

look at arpu, and data arpu it says it all.

How about dragging out the numbers that really matter, like profits.

Profits are very important but the other metrics are very important too. Regarding profits, I just mentioned earlier that nextel-sprint has net income of roughly $1 billion in quarterly income. ($500 million per carrier per quarter)

Not income, I said profit.

lol. if you have a net income you are making profits.

regardless, look at the income statment. you will see that they are making a profit.

nextel18, you keep hollering for facts and you're the only one saying that Sprint/Nextel is better than Verizon. I can see the net adds and the coverage maps. What facts are you looking at to base your opinion on? Let's see these facts and not just magazine articles. I want something official showing numbers. Otherwise you're jsut blowing smoke and full of s**t.

I forgot, he put me on his "ignore list" after I picked on him. Still would like to see those number.

Actually, I took you off of it because I haven’t seen you posting anything to me, so I will give you a chance for the time being until you say something stupid or act up.

I am so honored. 🙄

I don't give a damn whether you ignore me or not. If you're going to post BS, just have something to back it up.

So much for that chance. 🤣

i do. it is called investor relations by taking their Q and Y results. go get them, read it then come back and try to have a debate with me.

You holler for facts. Let's see a link, or better yet, post your "facts" right here. I saw the quarterly results. If you have something better, let's see it. Otherwise get over yourself.

already did. 🙂

Where? I don't see anything. All I see is you saying you have checked with investor relations and that you don't look at the the same thing as every other person in here to determine that your company is better than Verizon. Where did you post these numbers?

i posted the numbers, keep looking i wont look for you.

i guess i will show you, and i re posted them on the forums.. go to ... https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php ?fm=m&ff=1&fi=367736 and https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php ?fm=m&ff=2&fi=367648 .

You can see the facts. Look at their quarter ads, look at their arpu, data arpu, lifetime revenue per user etc…

Look on their websites under investor relations and look at their quarterly numbers as well as annual reports. ( I won’t hold your hand so you can get it)

Swearing huh? Yea, that is your forte.

Forte? Someone learned a new word. You still haven't shown me anything. Lay it out here for everyone to see. I see that Verizon had a record setting 1.9 million adds and decreased churn to 1.2%. I also see that Verizon has a larger coverage map than either Sprint or Nextel. I also see that you are the only person here that thinks they are the better choice. They have their place, but it's not outdoing Verizon.

quarter 1=

Sprint= 1.3 million
2.5%
$61

nextel= 810,000
1.5%
$67

total= 2.1 million

verizon= 1.65 million
1.3 %
$49.03 arpu

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quarter 2

Sprint= 588k
2.2%
$62

nextel= 763,000
1.4%
$68

total= 1.35million

verizon= 1.9 million

Therefore, nextel-sprint are doing quite well, and I expect them to do well throughout the year. Sprint did horrible during the 2nd quarter, and I don’t think that will continue. (there was some seasonality pressures, which goes along in every business. Verizon is also doing well, but verizon has 47.4 million total customers and sprint-nextel has 44 million customers, which is only 3 million behind verizon.

if nextel-sprint continue...
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2nd quarter vzw numbers

1.9 mill
1.2%
49.42 arpu

ARPU is only half of the story, if you want to count beans. What about expenses? What's that thing they throw around, EBDTA or something? I think VZ leads in that one. Earnings before Dividends, Taxes, and Amortization. There might be an I in there somewhere. You can lead in ARPU and still be sucking wind because you're paying too much to keep folks or to get folks.

I am counting everything from arpu, to churn, to data arpu, and to lifetime revenue per user. I don’t care too much about capital expenditures because they pay a lot of money for some reason I don’t understand. It is not how much you spend it is how wisely you spend it.

Verizon also has a very big landline business so that helps too while Nextel doesn’t have the landline business. Now, sprint and Nextel does but the local will be spun off so that 80 percent of revenue will be wireless.


What about debt? Nextel-sprint has a combined debt of about 27 billion dollars but when the spin happen 7 billion will be off the books will give Nextel-sprint 20 billion dollars of debt. Verizon has about 60+ billion in debt.

By the way, EB...
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Interesting that Cingular is left out of this discussion. While you may or may not like them, they are the other "big dog". And as such, they enjoy tremendous economies of scale that Sprint-Nextel will not realize for at least a couple of years.

Cingular is rolling out UMTS/HSDPA, which has ultimate downlink speeds of 14.4Mbps, faster than Rev A. Faster than just about anything in anyone's pipeline for the next several years.

What is the difference - qualitatively - between HSDPA and so-called 4G technologies? Answer, not much at all. And by the time S-N rolls this out, there will inevitably be improvements to EVDO (EVDV?) and/or other technologies.

Nextel18, 4G is meaningless at this point. Data is clearly the future. No one ...
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Wow, how did I miss customer satisfaction at Sprint. It's so clear now that you posted the churn rates. And that's with a smaller customer base so the number leaving is really high compared to Verizon's incredibly low churn plus incredibly larger customer base. Sprint is clearly better, I get it now, thanks.

🙂

Sprints adds went from 1.3 million in first quarter to 0.588 million in the second quarter. That's a drop of MORE THAN 50%. Nextel dropped by a little less than 50,000 in the second quarter. I'm interested in how you chalk that up to "some seasonality pressures, which goes along in every business." So with these seasonality pressures, which go along in every business, VZW somehow ended up INCREASING their second quarter adds by a quarter of a million customers. Meaning they went up. Not down. By a lot. If that's with normal "seasonality pressures" I can't wait to see what happens in the third quarter. Will these "seasonality pressures" be gone? Can we expect 5 million adds? 10? 50? I guess the sky's the limit huh?

the seasonality problems was that their wholesale business didnt get as much as expected and therefore they didnt get the ads. again, it happens to every business. you will see more ads one quarter then another. that is what happens.

All of this talk about ARPU, while not irrelevant, is nearly so.

Verizon leads the industry in MARGIN, which means that they are the most profitable. Not just most profitable overall, but also PER USER. ARPU is meaningless if you aren't actually making a profit on what you're selling.

If your operational costs are high and you charge a lot, you make no more and are no more worthy than someone who has figured out how to charge less and make a larger profit. Which is what Verizon has done. (I don't work for VZ or use them. They're the enemy. However, they do run a tight business....)

Mr. Nextel, please lay off the ARPU/Data ARPU drivel. It may mislead people into thinking that that's the most important driver of this business, ...
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We have a winner!

Thanks for explaining much better what I was getting at.

nextel18, thanks for playing.

My pleasure. Just trying to clarify what really matters (from a carrier perspective, that is...) 😎

playing for what?


all those metrics are very important in this industry and again if you lead in them you will do extremly well.

there is no winner, sorry. just everyone has differnt opinions cept mine are actually sound.

nextel18 said:
managment they will dominate this industry.

Wishful thinking.

More like delirium. You would almost think he was paid to come here and wave the flag for a couple of mediocre companies with delusions of grandeur. 🙄

bigoltexasboy said:
More like delirium. You would almost think he was paid to come here and wave the flag for a couple of mediocre companies with delusions of grandeur. 🙄

I'm not disregarding the fact Sprint/Nextel has ample spectrum holdings, but with Sprint's sub-par network (reliability), poor customer service, and Nextel's sub-sub-par network (I just invented that, I think)...what are people expecting here? A miracle?

I like the sub-sub-par. I think that they may have a lot planned, but if they aren't even planning on having the 2 companies combined until 2010, how do they plan on doing anything big anytime soon. Whatever nextel18 is on, he needs to share. 😁

Especially with data products and solutions, arpu and data arpu you are 100 percent accurate on that statement that sprint is great.

nextel18 said:
Especially with data products and solutions, arpu and data arpu you are 100 percent accurate on that statement that sprint is great.

Don't forget their sub-par network.

nextel18 said:
Buddy, sprint pcs is coming out with REV A also.

When? Psychic cleo When? Verizon already is destorying Sprint in high speed data.

they are coming out with in the 07 ish time frame.

destroying sprint in high speed data, perhaps but sprint has a highier data arpu then them. (vzw)

Good point, Sprint has had a significant edge in how their customer base is using their data products. Can't say if they have better products but their customers sure use them more. VZ will have to pick up the pace with their data uptake, especially as all the family plan business drives down ARPU. It will be interesting to see if VZ can leverage their quicker time to market with EV-DO and Rev A and their network superiority over the newly energized SprexTel. I think VZ will have the edge, in that all the good things about Nextel (great voice product, great management, obscenely miniscule churn and high ARPU) will take time to filter through the combined company. Mergers take time to show positive results.

Yea, all of your points make sense and they are sound. Let’s address some of those points.

You mentioned “think VZ will have the edge” I highly disagree because sprint-nextel combined will have 40k+ cell sites with about 55mhz of spectrum, and that doesn’t include their massive stake in the 2.5ghz range to deploy 4g data. In addition, verizon doesn’t even lead in data arpu or arpu for that matter, and I don’t think they will be able to also because sprint-nextel are coming up with new products such as nfl, music, satellite radio, NASCAR, and other content that will be coming. They also expressed what they are going to do in the 4g area where verizon hasn’t, and I am very surprised by this. It’s not what you can do in 2 years it’s what y...
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How could I have forgotten how important arpu's are to coverage and call quality, silly me. 😳

ok.

Actually he has a very good point. Doesn't ARPU stand for Average Rate Per Unit? What does that have to do with call quality or coverage? Isn't Nextel a business oriented carrier? Wouldn't they have a higher data ARPU because of that? If you mix a lot of average consumers in the mix who just want to make calls, download ringtones and play games, wouldn't that lower the AVERAGE Rate Per Unit? I would be more worried about where I can use the data than what percentage of the company is using it.

user.

becuase if someone is paying for it that means they think the quality is good and the coverage is good. same with lifetime revenue per user and churn.

nextel yes goes after businesses but their boost mobile goes after consumers.

well look at sprint. they have a mix and they are doing 62 arpu.

no, becuase nextel's data arpu is pretty good at $3.00 but it doesnt have the high speeds like 1xrtt is which hurts their data arpu a little bit. compare it to cingular and sprint at 5 and 7 dollars. (5 for cing and sprint= 7)

it doesnt lower arpu becuase arpu has to deal with the voice part, while data has to deal with DATA arpu.

No offense to you Nextel, but Boost is a joke.

How is it a joke? Because they are one of the best products out there? Because verizon and cingular’s prepaid are a joke? Maybe because boost mobile has the highest arpu, highest data arpu and the lowest churn in the prepaid market? By the way, don’t say that the prepaid market is bad and overrated because the young demographics have a 40+ billion dollar spending power and what if they target the elderly that is another 100+ billion dollar spending power. So before you say that boost is bad, perhaps compare it to others.

I don't think Cingular's GoPhone is that bad for a high-volume prepaid. I think T-Mobile To Go is a good per minute prepaid. I also think the resellers on Cingular's TDMA network tend to be good if you still have service in your area.

TH

Not sure if you realize this TH, but Cingular’s prepaid unit has been losing customers they lost 200k (according to http://library.corporate-ir.net/library/12/12 5/125269/items/159452/Cingular%202Q05%20Earni ngs%20presentation-final.pdf on page 7), but Tmobile’s prepaid unit is doing quite well and I reported in another forum that they got 291k for their prepaid unit out of 972k they got in quarter 2 of this year.

Oh, you're talking only about the financials.

"How is it a joke? Because they are one of the best products out there?"

I guess that I was confused thinking that when you talked about Boost Mobile as a product, it was from a customer standpoint, rather than the product referring to financials.

i wasnt talking about financials.
boost mobile is a product. (i was never talking about financials.


read it again.


"
Not sure if you realize this TH, but Cingular’s prepaid unit has been losing customers they lost 200k (according to http://library.corporate-ir.net/library/12/12 5/125269/items/159452/Cingular%202Q05%20Earni ngs%20presentation-final.pdf on page 7), but Tmobile’s prepaid unit is doing quite well and I reported in another forum that they got 291k for their prepaid unit out of 972k they got in quarter 2 of this year. "

there are no financials in there.

nextel18 said:
i wasnt talking about financials.
boost mobile is a product. (i was never talking about financials.


read it again.


"
Not sure if you realize this TH, but Cingular’s prepaid unit has been losing customers they lost 200k (according to http://library.corporate-ir.net/library/12/12 5/125269/items/159452/Cingular%202Q05%20Earni ngs%20presentation-final.pdf on page 7), but Tmobile’s prepaid unit is doing quite well and I reported in another forum that they got 291k for their prepaid unit out of 972k they got in quarter 2 of this year. "

there are no financials in there.

Talking about how many subscribers a given carrier lost or gained in a quarter isn't talking financials? Uh......
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so what are the APRU's so we can compare. Sorry to inconvenience you like this, but I would like to see some of your facts.

already posted them. please look.

Its actually Average Revenue Per User and it has nothing to do with how good a company is. It only has to do with how much they are making per customer on an average. Just because the ARPU is higher at one company doesn't mean they are using something more than users on another company. It might mean that overage charges are higher or that they charge on average a higher monthly rate. Or their data services are higher priced, etc. It only means the average consumer on that carrier pays more. Nextel has always been in the top 3 ARPU because of charging more for their PTT service which used to be unique to them, but not so anymore. It has nothing to do with someone being more pleased with them. I know of companies that pressure their s...
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Not only that, but doesn't customer satisfaction play a role? Sprint isn't nearly in that...

you look at lifetime revenue per user also, but their churn has been decreasing quarter over quarter which does show improvement, and their lifetime revenue per user which shows how long someone stays with one is 2nd. so that shows something too.

nextel18 said:
Yea, all of your points make sense and they are sound. Let’s address some of those points.

You mentioned “think VZ will have the edge” I highly disagree because sprint-nextel combined will have 40k+ cell sites with about 55mhz of spectrum, and that doesn’t include their massive stake in the 2.5ghz range to deploy 4g data.

I think you're missing something here. They will keep all the cell sites for a bit but they will retire half of them. Why have that much overlap? OK, maybe not 1/2, but probably at least 1/3 as they merge technologies. And doesn't that 55MHz include the 700 band that they are moving off of? So they have to move the traffic to another channel and move the traffi...
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“And doesn't that 55MHz include the 700 band that they are moving off of?”

no that doesn’t include it.

“VZ hasn't had a big problem with spectrum, certainly not as much as either Sprint or Nextel. And until they move all the iDEN traffic over to CDMA”

they won’t move Nextel’s entire iden network in 2007-2008 time frame. It is SOME.

“don't know that VZ has to lead in ARPU to lead the market (not saying that they do right now).”

They aren’t.

“And what really is 4G? I'm not asking that rhetorically, I really haven't seen any definition for 4G except for ODFM, which I don't think qualifies.”

Lol you must be joking. 4g is speeds that are at least 10mb/s and have better latencies then 3g so you can do more solutions whi...
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You know, this reminds me of the American dilemma.

A man sees another man and they start discussing each other's assets. The first man says, "Well, my is bigger than yours." The second man says, "Well, yours may be bigger, but mine is better." They argue about who is better.

As AT&T Wireless saw, the end can come. I don't care if your ARPU is higher or your data speeds are faster, I only car if my company can run successfully. I don't care that you spent $75 billion to create the nation's largest network. I care that I have a net income, and I see that is something that you certainly don't have, and may never have again.

Now, this isn't actually my point of view, but in the end it doesn't matter who has the largest network,...
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att wireless was known as the coverage leader? please provide proof of this please. by the way they arent out of business becuase they were bought out by cingular.

it is all about arpu, churn, lifetime revenue per user, data arpu and yes, net income. most of the carriers are in fact generating net income. (not sure about tmobile)


those metrics are very important to decide whether or not you will do well.

So net adds don't factor in to that? I would figure that a successful company would have a high net add, low churn, and the best coverage they can get. Oh wait. Verizon has all that and net income. Guess 2 out of 3 isn't bad for Sprint/Nexel. Maybe one day, their network will expand furthur than spitting distance from a major highway.

Lol. I just did net adds, my friend.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/191742_attw21 ... »
[...]
At first, it seemed that combining the companies had indeed created a winner. By the end of 1997, AT&T Wireless had become by far the nation's largest cellular provider. It led the industry, creating the first national coverage plan with no roaming or long-distance fees.

The company received numerous awards for excellent service, and by 2000 several publications, including Forbes and PC Magazine, had named it the country's best wireless network.
[...] more

And by the way, AT&T Wireless has no stock, and there was no stock agreement for shareholders. The shareholders were given cash for the stock. It seems to me that AT&T Wireless is no longer in business...unless yo...
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i was a shareholder of AWE actually. ($15 per share)

no, i am saying that they didnt exactly go bankrupt or anything they just got integrated and bought out by cingular.

If Cingular didn't buy them, I wouldn't have been surprised if chapter 11 kicked in...

But, it still stands, that Cingular paid cash for the assets of the company, and its stock ceased to trade. It was not a merger of equals, but cash acquisition. ATTWS is no more.

I'm sorry to hear that you were a shareholder of AWE.

yea, i guess that is true, but they didnt go chapter 11 they just got bought out.

anyway, your sorry? lol. i bought in way before $10 per share and i was given $15 per share which means i got a profit per share. 🙂 so dont feel bad for me. lol. i did quite well, but that isnt new.

From above.

“And what really is 4G? I'm not asking that rhetorically, I really haven't seen any definition for 4G except for ODFM, which I don't think qualifies.”

Lol you must be joking. 4g is speeds that are at least 10mb/s and have better latencies then 3g so you can do more solutions which drives up data arpu.

“I'm sure VZ will come up with something,”

Yea, they won’t be able to do 4g for a long time., but sprint-nextel will because they have 4g spectrum. (In the 2.5 GHz mmds range)"

So 4th generation is determined by 10 mb/s speed and the 2.5 GHz freq? I really don't see how this fits in. The ITU set up 3G as the 2 mb/s when standing still, but 4G was supposed to be a seamless access anywher...
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4th generation data is the next thing in wireless, because you can do more applications and solutions because the latency is a lot lower and the data speeds are a lot higher then 3g that you can do anything. Let us say you put a TV solution steaming on a 3g network, it will be very difficult because of the latency, but with 4g, you will not have any problems what so ever. That is just an example.

Well if Nextel/sprint separately has 62 and 68 arpu that means they have a combined arpu of 65 dollars. With data, they have an arpu of $7. For sprint and $3 for Nextel meaning, they have a combined data arpu of $5, which still is at least tied for first with cingular. That will get better though as more services come out with sprint-Nextel...
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This is ridiculous.

All a higher ARPU means is that people pay more for their usage. It does not mean that they value the network more.

If Nextel has the highest ARPU, it means that they charge the most and get the most, and that their customers are ok with paying that. (Their low churn is proof that customers are not only paying it, but continuing to be willing to pay, right?)

However, this has NOTHING to do with whose network has better voice coverage, voice quality, data speeds, etc. I agree that if Nextel's coverage totally sucked, people would leave (churn), or possibly use fewer minutes and services (ARPU), but just because people pay the most for Nextel, or the 2nd most for Sprint, does not mean they have the most reliable...
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I still think your argument that amount of ARPU = network quality is fundamentally flawed. Most folks who stay with Nextel stay because if they leave, they leave the community that their business depends upon. Simply put, you can't be in the construction business and use any one but Nextel. You can't drive a cab in NY and use anything but Nextel. That has nothing to do with the quality of the network. It has to do with the fact that Nextel has cornered the market. They will continue to pay through the nose because that's the cost of business. Not to take anything away from Nextel, if VZW had put out a PTT product that could hold its own against Direct Connect, they might have been able to gain some inroads. As it was, Nextel had a su...
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you have to talk about grammar? hahah. how pathetic. i dont care about grammar on here to try to impress you or others, get real.

oh i will claim anything i want and the facts that i have mentioned supports that.

Grammar implies that you have taken the time to a) learn the language, b) respect your listeners, and c) respect your arguments enough to form a complete thought. It's not about impressing others, it is about being respectful. Judging from your posts, I don't think any of the above are high on your list of priorities.

i dont care about grammar on here to try to impress you or others, get real.

oh i will claim anything i want and the facts that i have mentioned supports that.

Obviously you claim anything you want. However, your facts are specious at best. No amount of claiming them again will dissapate the fact that they don't lead to the conclusions that you have posted. You are a troll. The only ...
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so you are correcting my grammar instead of arguing the facts at hand? lol that isnt new i guess.

regardless those are facts and facts is hard to argue against.


respect my listerners? hahah who you? the only people who i respect is rich and the other moderator as well as some others on here. (u arent included in that list) becuase you cant seem to fathem that my facts show that nextel-sprint is doing better then your verizon lol.

finally, those facts are right. if you think they arent why dont you take the time by adding up every provider that i have from their first and 2nd quarter and add it to the total subscriber gained in those quarters and do some analysis. you didnt so who cares. i did and those are 100 percent right.

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The conclusions your derive from the facts are not facts, they are opinions.

right but i am basing my conclusions on the facts and they are sound opinions.

i go by the facts and if the facts indicate somethign i will say it. (like i did)

Quarter 1 2005

net adds market share

sprint-nextel 2.214 million 36%
T-mobile usa 957k 15%
Cingular Wireless 1,419 mill 23%
Verizon Wireless 1,636 Mill 26%

TOTAL 6,226Mill 100%
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Quarter 2, 2005

Sprint Nextel 1,454 million 23%
T-Mobile USA 972k 16%
Cingular Wireless 1,071 million 17%
Verizon Wireless 1,917million 31%
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Total 5,414 million 100%


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Q1 2005
sprint- nextel 2.214 million. market share= 36 percent. post pay= 1.014 million. resell= 612k. affiliates= 265k. prepaid= 314k

Tmobile USa. 957k. market share= 15%. post pay= 775k. prepaid= 182k.

Cingular= 1.419 million. market share= 23 %. 1.15 million post pay. negative 87k in prepaid. 391k= resell.

verizon wirele...
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bulldude said:
"People eat more burgers than caviar, does that mean that burgers are better?"

I actually prefer burger better. That's the great thing about the wireless industry. There's something for everyone, but as a whole one is better. Caviar is better than burgers as a general concensus, but I prefer burgers. I prefer CDMA. I prefer trucks and crunchy Cheetos. Why? Because I can.

Everyone know Doritos are better. 😎 But CDMA and trucks rule.

I like Cheetos. You're an idiot. 🤣

by the way with n-s's 2.5ghz spectrum they will do flarion's flex or wimax which gives speeds from 10-75mb/s that companies will dream of.

so yes, verizon might roll out REV O faster then sprint, which they are and they havnt announced that they are going to do rev a just tests, but sprint-nextel is rolling out with both. after that they will roll out some 4g network. so as verizon scrambles to get rev o completed nationwide then has the upgrade to rev a, if that even happens, n-s will be working on a 4g solution.

i would take s-n's data over vzw any day becuase they have more content and solutions then verizon has. in addition, look at data arpu for the 2 companies. sprint-nextel has a highier data arpu. 🙂

sorry.

nextel18 said:
by the way with n-s's 2.5ghz spectrum they will do flarion's flex or wimax which gives speeds from 10-75mb/s that companies will dream of.

so yes, verizon might roll out REV O faster then sprint, which they are and they havnt announced that they are going to do rev a just tests, but sprint-nextel is rolling out with both. after that they will roll out some 4g network. so as verizon scrambles to get rev o completed nationwide then has the upgrade to rev a, if that even happens, n-s will be working on a 4g solution.

i would take s-n's data over vzw any day becuase they have more content and solutions then verizon has. in addition, look at data arpu for the 2 companies. sprint-nextel has a highier data

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You know.....I first started coming here to get the latest phone gossip but now I find myself coming here to see the drama! You guys are almost as good as my soaps! I don't know why everybody is getting so worked up anyway....nobody is going to dominate the industry overnight.

Nextel18 is getting all worked up because all the stock he owns was in Nextel, so he's out publicizing how Sprint-Nextel will dominate the mobile phone industry and take over the world.

Lol in your dreams my friend. I have vodafone, verizon, bell south, sbc, and spint-nextel shares which means I own verizon wireless (indirectly), cingular (indirectly) and sprint-nextel.

I have ownership in the top 3 carriers.

I just like to analyze things. Don’t get so worked up over it.

nextel18 said:
I just like to analyze things.

And we more than appreciate it with the hours of entertainment you provide.

lol @ that. my girlfriend watches that crap too (soaps). ahh... whatever makes her happy though. I go out with my boys while shes watchin that (i think general hospital).

yeah... these guys argue a lot. and its not about like... the normal sports, politics etc. Its about entertainment. It's supposed to entertain, not infuriate.

I kind of lost my point midway through that. Sorry.

LOL.....Yea I try not to make Rob watch that stuff! GH rules lol! Hey its their thing whatever they wanna do but it is rather humorous at times lol! I lose my point all the time so no worries!

uscellchick87 said:
LOL.....Yea I try not to make Rob watch that stuff! GH rules lol! Hey its their thing whatever they wanna do but it is rather humorous at times lol! I lose my point all the time so no worries!

Good good. You have sympathy lol. It's Friday, you know how they are. Whatever show has that guy Nick on it. She always makes fun of me saying he's the hottest Nick ☹️ I guess thats kind of sad (my names Nick too). But yeah, I'm going to cry now.

I think there's a bunch of customer care and sales types who have been drinking too much of the company kool-aid. They get all riled up. "My Dad is bigger then your Dad" arguments never seemed to lose the appeal for some.

uscellchick87 said:
....nobody is going to dominate the industry overnight.

And that goes double for Sprint/Nextel. And then some...

Out of curiosity, do you live in States United?

Yep, do you?

Nope, I live in the United States. I also drive automobiles instead of mobile-autos.

pathetic, very pathetic. just becuase i made a typo by accident dont go haywire, but that is your nature when you have nothing else to say since you have no knowledge of this industry. 🙂

But you have repeatedly, and possibly consistently been referring to "Nextel Sprint" when it's actually "Sprint Nextel", kind of like you might be glorifying the Nextel name?

how pathetic. it doesnt matter how i say it becuase it is the same thing whether i say nextel-sprint or sprint-nextel. it is the same thing. nextel's name is a lot better then sprint , regardless, that isnt why sometimes i by accident put nextel first then sprint. it isnt a big deal.

Cool down...I'm just having a little fun with you. I like to try to be particular about things sometimes, and names are one of those times. To me, it's like saying CLL Wireless Cingular instead of Cingular Wireless LLC.

i am having a lot of fun too, dont worry. 🙂

lol..


funny funny. 🙂

🙂 yea, they are funny actually.

very true statement. 🙂

You dont have much room to talk, your constantly shoving Nextel down everybodies throat, your a huge fan boy for them.

i am talking about the competitors, buddy. last time i remembered nextel-sprint was a competitor of verizon.

anyway, i like to analyze things. it seems like you dont by attacking me.

if you will say something positive, not about me, then maybe i will take what you say to heart, but so far i dont.

You are saying that people who support Verizon are fan boys, ok, well than you are obviously a Nextel Fan boy.

I am talking about the competition then too, Nextel is Verizons competitor right?

by the way i never said that they are fan boys, so please dont bring me into that. look on post http://www2.phonescoop.com/news/discuss.php?f m=m&ff=1336&fi=364106 he is the one who said "fan boy".

lol.

i just said i agreed with his statments, lol. why arent you bashing him instead of me? lol.

go figure.

Dude, calm down, this is just a cell phone forum, I was just razzing you a little, you know, a little friendly ball busting? Dont take me so seriously. 😉

i am not. 🙂 i am very calm. 🙂

ball busting? uhh oh. lol

i dont get razzled up on a forum. lol that is really pathetic.

🙂

well razzle me dazzle me !

lol. 🙂

😲

I like reading what you say Nextel, but sometimes I wish I could have a little of what your smoking, s-n have some cool thing, but the coverage area is still lacking compared to Cingular and Verizon, Granted they got a nationwide spectrum but I wonder where the money is going to come from to build the network, currently neither sprint or Nextel put as much money into developing their networks as Verizon or Cingular so I have alot of questions about your S-N US domination theory.

Remember, it is not how much you spend its how wisely you spend it. Nextel-sprint will spend billions of dollars on tower expansions (3k each company) so they are growing their pop and coverage/capacity base.

Do you pay attention to the earnings reports? 500 million per quarter in net income for both companies. ($1 billion) if you don’t please do it then we can chat more about this section.

Their coverage area is a little bit lacking verizon, but not that much, especially when you will put Nextel’s assets onto sprint’s cdma network, which will increase pops and coverage/capacity. They have more then 55 MHz of spectrum from 800-1.9GHz range which others don’t have. In addition, they have 2.5GHz of spectrum, which helps improve coverag...
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Do they have 2.5 GHz of spectrum, or spectrum at 2.5 GHz. They are very different. It's like saying you own a house in California, or you own California around your house.

TH

tropicalhaven said:
Do they have 2.5 GHz of spectrum, or spectrum at 2.5 GHz. They are very different. It's like saying you own a house in California, or you own California around your house.

TH

Even he's not sure.

they have spectrum at the 2.5ghz band. sorry i didnt say it right.

but anyway, when i said he was wrong, was that a bad thing? lol.

*clears throat* ...
*sings*
"Why can't we be friends... why can't we be friends"
or
"Can't we all just.... get along?"

I'm glad cell phones get you all riled up. Leave the bickering to your husbands and wives. We're here to talk tech.. not talk about eachothers mommies. Well, I don't know if that has happened yet.. but its a slippery slope.

i dont get riled up when i talk about cell phones in here, becuase i just give information and want a dialogue from it. that is all i want.

people talk about me and cant have a decent conversation (cept for those who have great ones with me) especially when i prove them wrong. (i can name names but i am sure you can tell who they are becuase it is kinda obvious)

lol..


siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinging in the rain!!!

your mama so...... lol ok I just had to

Haha. I was going to say that too. I decided to wait and see who says that first. You're the winner! 😛 🤣

ccanady said:
hahaha thats sticking it to him....Verizon fanboys are so funny sometimes, its like they can never get off verizon's D**K 🙂. I carry Alltel and Nextel and you do not see me carrying around like some of these ppl do. Its like not only are carriers are competing but on here, customers are competing on which one is better like they are in some way affiliated with the carriers.

I like all carriers. I sell accessories. They're all the best to me lol. 😁

Certainly got quiet in here all of a sudden. 🙂