AT&T Says T-Mobile's '4G' Numbers Are Wrong
AT&T came out swinging at rival T-Mobile today, after T-Mobile launched its new 4G marketing blitz. According to AT&T, T-Mobile has misstated the numbers regarding AT&T's HSPA+ footprint and speeds. In an email to Phone Scoop, AT&T said, "T-Mobile's claims about 4G are based on the same HSPA+ technology we have deployed to 180 million people today, more than T-Mobile’s reported 140 million, and we’ll have it rolled out to 250 million people by the end of this month, substantially more than the 200 million T-Mobile says it will have by year-end." On Tuesday, T-Mobile said that its year-end footprint of 200 million POPS covered would allow it to call its "4G" network the country's largest. AT&T says it will cover 25% more people than T-Mobile by the end of the year. Additionally, AT&T says T-Mobile is wrong about its HSPA+ network speeds. T-Mobile claims AT&T's HSPA+ network is limited to 14.4Mbps max downloads. AT&T says this is inaccurate, and its HSPA+ network today is capable of speeds up to 21Mbps. However, AT&T has only one device on its network, a laptop dongle, that is capable of hitting 21Mbps speeds. It has no handsets that surpass 7.2Mbps downloads, let alone 14.4Mbps or 21Mbps. AT&T implied that this is going to change, but it didn't say when. As of today, T-Mobile has at least one dongle and two handsets capable of HSPA+ at 21Mbps.
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Att has actually show some balls to make a statement this bold so quickly after tmobile makes their so called 4g announcement. Everyone else with hspa+ networks are calling it 3g and they have faster speeds then tmobile does...
Tmobile has one dongle and 2 handsets...is that that the cellular version of meat and 2 veg?
I couldnt resist
Well at least Tmo. . .
42mb/s, and not just stop at 21mb/s like AT&T!!!!
AT&T plans to go to LTE, and skip the 42Mbps....
LTE = 100Mbps in theoretical max.
How about the fact that it isn't 4G...
So 3.5, 3.51, 3.75 could be rounded up to 4G. But then 2.75 could be rounded up to 3G.
Damn, EDGE was a 3G network, and most of us already had 4G networks (3.5G...
There Is More To 4G Than Speeds.
But what is 4G?
G stands for generation. In order to claim a Generation, a very large percentage of the industry must adopt the same technology and build on this outline. Within this technology are the criteria of certain aspects to accomplish this goal. While speed is the obvious, what about the other ingredients.
Since HSPA+ is an advancement of the 3rd generation of broadband service, it is still within this 3rd generation technology. HSPA+ is the last step in 3G whereas LTE and WiMAX are the beginning of the 4th. While initially the bridge appears level and b...
"T-Mobile said that it plans to begin upgrading its HSPA+ network from the current 21Mbps theoretical max downloads to 42Mbps theoretical max downloads. It has already started preparing ...
Nurse! Verizon Wireless @ 200CC's, Stat!
according to at&t, T-Mobile's formula for calculations is wrong like the iPhone 4's antenna. pure coincidence or potential patent dispute
the real test will come when the iPhone is finally released thru Big Red. My prediction is that at&t will slowly lose subscribers compared to the sprint fiasco and only because the etf is insane so most people are going to avoid that and instead go thru the life of the contract.
an iphone on verizon OR tmobile would be a far superior choice.
In most markets Verizon has way less bandwidth than AT&T has. Unless of course Verizon chooses to run things on their AWS properties which are not used at this time.
CDMA does use bandwidth more efficiently than UMTS but not efficient...
"the iPhone 4's antenna" Apple built the phone it would have been the same on any network.
Have you noticed...
That a lot of the same people who mocked T-Mobile on the forums yesterday on the announcement because they're wrong, are now crucifying AT&T for saying the exact same thing?
And the same "tools" b...
What AT&T did NOT say is more important
"We're going to file a lawsuit for falsely claiming you have a 4G network."
+1 for T-mobile.
It lets them get more mileage out of their 3G network.
Wrong again PhoneScoop!
The g2 is only capable of reaching 14.4mbps look it up and I have not seen any g2 go passed 8mbs on tmobiles network. I believe the my touch 4 has the same chip which means tmobile is in the same boat as att. I wou
Most everyone I know that bought an iPhone, bought because it said Apple. Not for simultaneous voice and data. They didn't even know about...
Whoa... hold on... since when does any of this matter?
The year is 2015, Every single carrier except for T-Mobile has "real" 4G service running at 100mbps. T-Mobile is still on that old-school 3G garbage @ 42mbps.
Because at a certain speed, there is no advantage to going faster for almost everyone.
(of course, everyone is using the "iPhone cld" by then [CLD= contact lens display]) on all four carriers.
T-Mobile Rebrands HSPA+ as '3.9', Says Its 3.9G Network Is the Nation's Largest
It's all BS anyway
Is it a lie to say that something is a 4 when it doesn't meet the technical requirement? Most consumers probably have no idea what the arbitrary data rates are for either 3 or 4, so functionally it is all just marketing hype anyway.
Plus "4G" is just a *term* that a panel of experts agreed on....way back before HSPA+ was a reality.
Where does ATT get these coverage numbers from?
This is information from ATT Website! LTE (4G) is coming for att customers!
LTE (Long Term Evolution) is a wireless broadband technology designed to support mobile Internet access via cell phones and handheld devices. LTE is sometimes called 4G, or fourth generation, technology. AT&T began trials of LTE in 2010 and we plan to launch LTE commercially in 2011. When it's available*, any of your AT&T LTE-upgradable devices will be able to connect to LTE after performing a simple software upgrade.
What does LTE mean for you?
Expect faster speeds for better information delivery. LTE will support higher data throughput rates for downlink and uplink speeds.
LTE is the next step in network evolution. With AT&TÃ¢â‚¬™s nationwide deployment of HSPA+ for 2010 and in 2011 deploying LTE, w...
ATT is a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Samsung captivate is a HSUPA capable phone, but ATT disabled HSUPA on samsung captivate!
to enable HSUPA on your captivate, you need to flash a europe rom!
Best Marketing ploy EVER!!!
"T-mobile, the first 5G network!*
*With 3G speeds by definition"
Let reaching the milestones begin.
I don't care what AT&T says, because i can't make a call
AT&T has been mighty quiet about its HSPA+ network...
Curious as to what speeds you can see on AT&T's HSPA+ network at this point.
Also, the fact that AT&T's flagship handset (the iPhone...despite the multiple Android devices running on the network now and WP7 phones coming soon) doesn't support HSPA+ is...a bit of a problem, where T-Mobile has had HSPA+ long enough to release not one but two HSPA+ dongles, and now has two HSPA+ phones and an HSPA+ laptop.
Nice to see a 3G/4G arms race at this point though...
If we overclock a Droid processor to 1.25ghz