people remember that Iphone was offered to Verizon wireless First and they balked at it. They have there own Iphone killer on the way.
There are reasons they passed on it. Apple wanted to much $ and it wasnt all that.
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What is VZW's Iphone killer??? I have been looking for a good pda/smartphone.. with no luck so far.
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This phone dose things that you wouldn't believe.. Orb lets me stream any video and audio content to my 700p.. so sweet. it works great. So i don't need 2 gb or 8 gb on my phone.. i can stream 200bg of anything i want to my phone with evdo.. i watch movies in bed. play music at work.
oh and soooo many 3 party applications.. wow. I have Google maps program free. a video gam emulator. program that i use to change channels on my tv. Oh and threaded text messaging is very sweet. The 3rd party applications are endless. i can start recording a phone call with one click.. both ends of convo.. and all time date and number into in stamped on...
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See the beauty of that, Mr. Cat, is that I can do that too, on my Treo 750 from AT&T. We have the best of everything.
And if Verizon turned it down first, then that sucks for them. So what if they get the LG Prada. It doesn't have the hype that the iPhone does.
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Not having a antenna stub would be nice.
But the 750 have windows mobile. An that software isn't as great is the palm is. Read some reviews and check out comparisons You see that there is much more flexibility and many many more 3ed party programs that are soo kick ass. Most of the power your able to get out of smart phones, is the ability to expand its uses.
I don't want a mini sd card anyhow. I like that i have the "original" reg sized SD card. The camera on the phone is what you expect for a 1.3mp BUT I like taking pictures with my 5mp digital camera. I can remove the cameras SD card and place it in my phone and text or e-mail that picture. So the common tech to swap is very important.
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JUST FOR YOUR INFO, the Iphone really isnt a PDA. It may look and feel like one, but it's a glorified IPOD.
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VZW is counting on the Prada as 'the killer phone'. No so much that Apple wanted too much $$$, they only wanted it sold in Apple & VZW stores. ATT/Cingular agreed to this. It might pop up on eBay, but I doubt you will ever see an unlocked phone any place. Besides ATT doesn't cripple their phones like VZW.
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Besides ATT doesn't cripple their phones like VZW.
No, in this case, Apple crippled it before it even got released!!!
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They have there own Iphone killer on the way.
that.
LOL right. Just like there are gazillions of ipod killers and RAZR killers out there. ๐
The reason why Verizon passed on it is probably because they wanted contaimate it with it's $hitty UI and Apple said no.
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Yeah, keep tellin' yourself that and you'll believe it. Can ya hear me now?????
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LGguyJun 23, 2007, 3:37 AM
I work for verizon, and indeed apple did come to verizon first with the iphone, the reason why verizon rejectd it was because apple wanted too much control of the sales and software that went in to the phone, and due to verizons demands they did not accept the propostion so they passed it off to att, if they did that knowing that the iphone is going to be a huge hype, then that must mean they have a plan of thier own for competihng with the iphone , or they dont think its going to cause as much of an impact as most people think. For instance, most people are not willing to spend $600 for the iphone when they can get a blackberry or treo for about half that amount. Then since it is a new software phone and product the first batch is bound t...
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I honestly think the new BB is complete crap unless your a traveling professional. No reason to buy the phone if you never leave the states... and no camera... pff.
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Okay another guy that doesn't know what he's talking about unless your talking about Verizon AGAIN. The BB Curve (ATT) has a 2mp camera, as well as streaming audio and video, and the Pearl also has a camera.
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I was talking about VZW. I know what I speak on. ๐คจ
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I find it interesting that you blame the lack of a camera on the Blackberry 8830 on Verizon Wireless instead of Blackberry! Who made the phone? Whose software is in the phone? When it comes to a PDA or Smartphone, you typically don't have to deal with any company's user interface, except perhaps Blackberry, Windows, or Palm OS. The manufacturer determines whether a camera or any feature gets put on a pda/smartphone for that matter.
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I wasnt "blaming" the carrier at all. Some dude thought I was talking about another carriers phone, instead I was talking about the VZW BBry. I know who makes the phones. I know who makes the software.
As for the camera: the context was the new BBry from VZW was better than the iphone. I was simply pointing out it did not have a camera, and it only worked over seas on GSM. There was the notion of the new bbry was a great buy for the US dwelling resident. I simply stated it was of no use for most "consumers" who are not required to travel due to thier career.
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thank you for having the first legitamite and intelligent aregument I've seen thus far on this board.
I agree and disagree. I have an iPod and I need to buy a phone for SRP, because of the dealer plans I can get. I have an 80 gig video. The price of those two combined would equal an iPhone. (So what if I only get 4 or 8 gigs. Not like I absolutly NEED every song I own on me at all times. Sure, it's nice, but not necessary.)
PLUS, I would need a laptop to get wifi internet, which costs from 800 to 1200. The cost of the iPhone isn't THAT big of a deal.
No 3rd party software? GOOD! They only screw up the phones. My roommate has a treo and he's constantly having problems with 3rd party software.
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Chainmail311, my hat is off to you my friend, finally an intelligent statement. You are right it will make an impact. Apple has been testing this device for over a year and as it's their first PHONE and not their first wireless device it's doubtful they'll release a loser.
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LGguy unless your talking about a crippled BB or Treo from Vzn you have to show me one for 300 dollars. The 750 is $550 and the BB 8800 is 500 smakers and neither have 4Gb of ram. The Iphone was not offered to Vzn or anybody first. It was bid on and ATT out bid everyone. ATT doesn't think of Vzn as their biggest competition as Vzn is not a player in the business market. Sprint is ATT's biggest competitor in that market, in the consumer market it's a toss up. Vzn is behind everyone else except T-Mobile. Verizon's EVDO is not even revA in most of their markets and Sprint is rolling out their revB now, and ATT HSDPA is nearly twice as fast with more capability.
It's like comparing cable to Directv there is none.
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Wow indeed, not only are your statements disorganized but 99% of them are false, next time you feel like going on a rant about something maybe a little research would be a good idea.
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I think you have your information wrong. In fact I know you do. I have many friends who work for Verizon and friends that work for Apple. BOTH of them confirm that it was offered there first and just like has been stated in other posts in this thread, Apple wanted too much $$$. The fact of the matter is that EDGE speeds...at this moment...CANNOT TOUCH EVDO whatever "rev" of EVDO you have. And it's a fact that at this moment, I can go onto my Sprint phone, download pretty much any song I want for $.99 (Just like iTunes) without having to sync it to my computer first. In defense of iPhone, I am an avid Mac user, and Windows, mobile, xp, vista, or even 3.11, is a complete waste. I've read a lot of posts on here that say "iPhone can do suc...
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of course the 8830 is going to sell like crazy. Its your guys first phone that takes you internationally. Welcome to new technology as CDMA is a thing of the past ๐
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Mikasn, you have it all wrong "it's can you hear me YET"
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No.
VZW is selfish. They wanted in on OTA music downloads. I can see it now, Vcrap on the iPhone instead of iTunes. I work for VZW too, and I want the iPhone - LOL. We just recieved an email about "how to handle customer inquries about the iPhone." So sad...
In a summerized version:
Customer: The Chocolate seems like a good deal, but I am really interested in the new iPhone and I wanted to get a new iPod anyway.
Rep: What is it about the iPhone that interests you?
Customer: I am looking for an all in one device, and the iPhone does just that.
Rep: Well, I understand your point. We are offering the LG chocolate for 99.99 and with a 4gb music kit, the total would still be less than that of the iPhone ($249.99). Does that mee...
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If you work for a wireless zone you only work for Verizon indirectly. You are employed by someone else and just sell Verizon under contract..Your not a verizon employee..And you are posting confidental info...Guess you dont care about your job...YOU have no real knowledge of whats coming down the pike...we only share what we want you to know...And yes do i think the iphone will do well..sure there are always those that will run out and spend a fortune on the latest and greatest..and yes the commercials are wonderful..I dont think it will do that much damage to other carriers...Verizon included..good friend works for ATT, he not that impressed..except for his paycheck at launch..lol
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ok... never judge a book by its cover.
Its an old screen name from when I first joined and when I was employed under wirelesszone.
I work at the Hanover MD Call center. Have done so for a while now. InfoManager, ACSS, RAMP, NetPromoter, Transactional Accuracy, Emvolve, Single Sign on,... blah blah blah... it all sucks. They know how I feel, dont fret. Im arleady tirewd of it all and Im on my last couple of weeks as we speak. What else?
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I'll be sure to change my username when I leave. Just for you.
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I agree with the OTA statement. At first I thought at&t was behind the curve as they didn't (and really still don't) offer OTA dls for music thru their system. Now I understand why. The VZW and Sprint music stores simply can't compete with itunes... or napster, emusic, yahoo music- shall I go on?
Check it out. Even as at&t is about to launch the iphone and its' vertically locked infrastructure of itunes and itunes store, their most popular model selling NOW is the Samsung Sync- a sleek little package with lots of bang for the buck that works primarily with Windows Media Player, Napster, Yahoo etc... Hell at&t is pushing Napster with it's DSL service, isn't at&t in bed with yahoo and thus yahoo music?
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GOOD SO A CDMA VERSION IS ON THE WAY
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An LG the iphone killer ๐คฃ Oh my dear sweet lord i cant stop laughing. Verizon puts thier eggs in LG to compete ? OOOOTAAYYY BUCKWHEAT! ๐คฃ
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can I use this as my sig? ๐คฃ ๐คฃ ๐คฃ
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The issues here aren't being addressed fully. Some of you say that Verizon wanted to put its own UI on the phone. Well look at the current line and name me a PDA that has Verizon's UI. They are all manufacturer OS or Windows based. Second, reasons not to do business with Apple could include not wanting Microsoft frowning on you as a company. Secondly, Apple is building it first phone ever and if it was to have to go against the likes of a LG Prada; You would have a manufacturer of phones that has been doing it for years and is one of JD Powers & Associates most reliable manufacturers of phones plus you have the style of PRADA on the nations most reliable network. So Verizon would have installed an application to download music off of the...
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"The issues here aren't being addressed fully. Some of you say that Verizon wanted to put its own UI on the phone. Well look at the current line and name me a PDA that has Verizon's UI.
They are all manufacturer OS or Windows based. Second, reasons not to do business with Apple could include not wanting Microsoft frowning on you as a company."
WRONG! This is why when it starts it has that stupid nike wanna be swoosh on it.
"Secondly, Apple is building it first phone ever and if it was to have to go against the likes of a LG Prada; You would have a manufacturer of phones that has been doing it for years and is one of JD Powers & Associates most reliable manufacturers of phones plus you have the style of PRADA on the nations mos...
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๐คฃ Whoa, whoa, where do you get your information from? I have been selling phones for 7 years and have sold AT&T Wireless, Verizon Wireless, Sprint PCS, Cingular, T-Mobile, and Sprint with Nextel. Motorola is named in a tie with Sanyo currently as the top Wireless Phone handsets in the subject of customer satisfaction. Verizon Wireless is named the #1 carrier in call quality in the US. Every carrier is telling people to downplay the iPhone handset because its not that great and consumers who are all in this hype need to realize this isn't the second coming of the StarTac. Just like the hype of the LG Fusic and the Moto V710, you can't always believe the hype. The sidekick is another great example. Moto and LG release more handsets...
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๐ The only reason why moto and lg are best selling in the U.S is because of contracts with carriers. You can put any of your Verizon LG's or Sprints Sanyos and both of thier MOTOS up against SE, Nokia and others not carried here in the states and see what happends.
And im not talking about the low end phones im talking high end expinsive phones not carried buy carriers here . This is why i buy unlocked and unbranded. See i dont sell phones im a high end consumer and have a decent paying job to afford these type of things. Please do your study of things beyond just what you do picking your nose in a Circuit city selling phones.
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I find it entertaining the notion that such a high flier such as yourself would lower himself into a cell phone debate (and a sad one at that) in an internet forum.
If your talking to a verizon rep and you ask him who the most reliable phone manuf is then you're going to hear LG. The moto 825 and startac were awesome phones, but 2 phones out of an entire manuf isn't that good. MOST LG's Verizon sells or has sold are very reliable phones with a low return rate.
I worked for AT&T wireless prior to it becoming cingular, and then AT&T again. I can honestly say all of my verizon phones work in more places than my AT&T phones. Now I don't travel abroad, but neither do a good majority of my customers (even when I was with AT&T and I did sell ...
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I thank you for your addition to the conversation. It was the earlier idea that Verizon had something to worry about that I spoke of not that iPhone could not be a successful venture to Apple, but that it would put out the most successful carrier in the US. I do hope that technology keeps advancing in an exponential rate, but please do not believe that the CDMA companies passing of this phone was a mistake because their business sense has not failed them yet. There has been some interesting decisions from all the carriers, I think the funniest thing I have ever seen was the Colbert Report's report on AT&T and Cingular mergers (which can be found on youtube). From a consumer managements point of view this phone will be a great addition to...
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YAWN! Holy crap that was fun! The kids are all camped out in the big blowup jump till you puke thingy! Hover craft huh? Got pics? I want to see. I got pics of one of my rides on www.layitlow.com
Hey but you guys have to admit that this will either wake up the industry here in the states for the carriers to have better phones OR its gonna be one great big fizzle. All this back and forth over something that hasnt even hit the market yet ill bet its Apple thats worried right now.
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Hahaha...where we're going, we don't need roads!
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I heard you say a few times over that you only buy unlocked and unbranded phones because you travel abroad..I hope you realize the iphone cannot be unlocked...with out at&t service will device will not function...It has built in software to identify hacks and shutdown device..Such a stout business man such as yourself, i would have thought you knew this..Sure someone will make an hack..but there goes your reliability...And By the way, my friend is a VZW rep and pulls in six figures..I know, i did his taxes..Funny thing is he gets to pick his nose and make that money...lol....
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Oh my, this is funny. The whole trailer park mentality of I've got the best stuff, and since I'm on the internet, I can make up whatever life I'd like. Hey, guess what. I'm too poor to buy an iPhone, but you and your "trophy wife" have fun in Europe. Ha Ha ๐คฃ ๐คฃ
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Hmmmm.
Apple's Market Cap--> 110B
MSFT Market Cap--> 280B
Yes, Microsoft has a larger Market Cap, but Apple is growing much more quickly...MUCH more quickly.
Apple Stock
past five years-up 1300%
past ten years-up 3000%
MSFT Stock
past five years-up 13%
past ten years- up 85%
Microsoft--> ZUNE and Windows Mobile (Q/Treo)
Zune-- horrendous
Q-- horrendous
Treo-- Very good/excellent
Apple--> iPod and iPhone
iPod-- I think it's market share speaks for itself, but it's due for an upgrade.
iPhone-- let's see what happens when it comes out, but it blows away the Q/Treo
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What's your source? Because, as far back as I know, Apple and Cingular have been buddies. Granted, it as that horrible iTunes software on the cingular "rokr", but I don't think Apple would ask Verizon to do this. And I'm 100 percent sure that Verizon wouldn't EVER turn down a phone that people ARE GOING TO CAMP OUT FOR! Sorry, but bussinesses never "turn down" sure selling phones just to make a statement.
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Actually, Apple did go to VZW first and VZW did turn it down because they could not come to an agreement... I dont remember the source but it might have even been posted here.... ๐
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Executives at VZW: Well, we'll just have to shoot ourselves in the foot. Let's deny the iPhone because of an agreement dispute. We'll make up for that loss. We'll come out with another phone. Yeah, and it'll outsell the iPhone.
Whatever.
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Same can be said with Sprint/Nextel, they turned them down due to price and control issues. And I heard about this from someone at sprint corp in kansas about a little over a year ago.
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I don't know if it was, or wasn't if Apple was sending out feelers but this is the fact, why the heck would you want to cripple your product and have it CDMA and not GSM? Outside of North America and a few asian countries, it would be nothing more then an over priced 8gig ipod and rather small paper weight.
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VZW passed because they know the problems and hassle that is going to occur when it comes out. ๐ฒ
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I bet the folks at Verizon are kicking them selves hard. From the CEO down the piss ant sales reps. Ha, eat it. ๐
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I for sure I'm not going to car about the iPhone. I have an iPod already and a solid phone. The iPhone doesn't have a removable battery or a keyboard... what good is that?
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Lets see, I can carry a Phone, iPod, and Digital Camera, or I can carry just my iPhone. Hmmm,,, something tells me to fill up my pockets with unnecessary clutter. Or I could clip all 3 items to my belt like Batman. How much sense does that make?
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Lets see, I can carry a Phone, iPod, and Digital Camera, or I can carry just my iPhone. Hmmm,,,
just to let you know, the iphone isnt the only PDA that can play MP3s, have a digital camera, and be a phone at the same time.
This is a pointless argument, pretty much any PDA can do everything the iphone can, its just the iphone is the "new" thing, and people are attracted by shiny new toys.
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... or PDA for that matter will ever replace an iPod. To assume I didn't know that there were other devices out there that offered MP3/PDA/Dig Cam is a mistake on your part. But like I said, nothing is like an iPod. Nothing.
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okay, but that whole thing about you said that you would not want to carry a phone, ipod, and a digital camera around, and also saying that the iphone can do all that... the fact of the matter is that almost every PDA can do that, you just made it sound like the iphone was the only one.
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The iPhone is not a PDA...yet.
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shiny new "well designed" and the user integration is phenominal. Amazing touchscreen. iPod quality MP3 player.
My roommate has a Treo, and the MP3 player SUCKS on it. He still hasn't gotten his third party software to work.
I don't want the iPhone right now, buying anything when it first comes out is a shot to the wallet, but eventually, I will obtain an apple phone. Why? Apple is just great. That's why.
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Again it is all preference. Good luck with your iPhone I hope you have no problems..... I don't listen to mp3s everyday on my VX-8600. So to drop 500$ w/ a new contract isn't what I'm looking for. I'm sure a ton of people are. But I bet you alot don't know it's going to cost 500$ witha new contract. I can't wait to answer questions about it... I'm thrilled! yay!!!
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lol anyone who compares that prada peice of **** to the iphone is kidding themselves...no 3g or wifi???? ya verizons on the forefront of technology lol
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vzw has evdo... and the iPhone isn't 3G buddy, fyi.
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LMAO...Isn't this similar to what those who 'dont know' do all the time... I MEAN REALLY... I've never known that people would talk sooo much about something that they know NOOOOOOOOOTHING about. It's almost scary. Lets put it as truthful as i know it. All Apple has said is that they have a new phone coming out. And has shown u bits and pieces of what it does... THAT'S IT!!!!! And we got dozens of people ranting and raving AMONGST THEMSELVES.... TRYING TO MAKE FACTS OUT OF STUFF THEY HAVE NO IOTA OF KNOWLEDGE ABOUT. PEOPLE R CRITISIZING, EVALUATING, PREDICTING, CONTRADICTING...ASSUMING...GOSSIPING (the important one) ON SOMETHING THT HASN'T EVEN BEEN RELEASED YET...... and guess what???? CHANCES R THAT ONCE U SEE IT...YOU WILL TOTALLY LUV...
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I am sitting in my bath now, reading (and answering)this on my Blackberry curve (hope I don't drop it) while it it playing the live version of freebird in stereo through my ear phones, having a bud, while my children are breaking up the house - iphone who? what?
MIF.
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OMG
Wall of Text crits you for 5,084,286,234 damage (crushing)
You Die.
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I have no #&%@ing idea what the %@!# you just said...
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It was a joke after reading (or trying to read) all the responses here.
MIF.
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I don't see VZN countering with anything. I am waiting and trying to decide to make the switch to ATT
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If Verizon had it, they'd neuter the **** out of it!
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Verizon did not take the I phone because the I phone is a gimmick, now granted it has a really cool WOW factor, but it is very limiting when it comes to being user friendly. What happens when your ipod battery dies? think about it. Who wants to be without a phone while it is sent out to get fixed? with a traditional phone, the battery is simple to exchange. Also the Ipod attachments don't interact with the I phone, this is odd, don't u think?
Verizon has the strictest standards in the business, because they are more concerned about functionality than how cool something looks. I hear people mentioning the Prada phone, VZW doesn't need the Prada phone to out do the I phone, anyone of the V cast phones will do most of what the I phone ...
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How about play movies? Shows? Podcasts? jk
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Ever notice how whenever a new phone comes out for at&t some VZW guy is knocking it down by saying something like "well, we could have had that first but it sucks and we rock so there"
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1) iphone is NOT a pda. Apple doesn't want to compete with Windows or Palm they want to carve out their own market MUCH as they did with ipod. All these pda and BB guys are calling it out when apple/at&t isn't even interested in selling it to THOSE guys. Listen, at&t sells more blackberrys than any other US carrier, they have a hugely successful windows line... at&t is still going to sell these products. The iphone is an ENTERTAINMENT device for people who want more functionality without having to carry around a brick and wrest...
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It has been said that Apple first approached Verizon about teaming up on the iPhone but given Verizon's absolutely inflexible "rule the world" attitude, Apple quickly walked away.
Check out this link to a Wall Street Journal article which mentions this fact as well.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118178419580134700.h ... »An excerpt from the article:
"Other handset makers face similar issues. The carrier Verizon Wireless declined to offer its subscribers Apple's forthcoming iPhone, according to people familiar with the matter. Verizon wanted it to include Verizon's own music and video service along with Apple's, an arrangement unacceptable to Apple. The joint owners of Verizon Wireless, Verizon Communications ...
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you and 19 million other people.
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It's posturing - a way for Verizon to say they didn't want it anyway - like when someone breaks up with you.
As has been said, the reason is GSM. It's more prevalent in other countries with large markets, more sales, and bigger profits.
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Dropping hot OWNAGE all over Verizon Wireless Faces. How do we look from that #2 spot clowns? Can you hear me now? ๐
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