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Re: Antenna Gate Wins
Well, I haven't actually seen the figures, so I may be mistaken. I was only speaking from personal experience.
One thing I certainly can agree with you is that this is a bad policy that Apple is adopting. I can't say it's as bad as everyone else is making it out to be because it's not a necessary feature anyways. I always have some form of payment with me anyways. NFC isn't a feature most people, young or old are going to be using very often. Granted, an iPhone is considered to be a flagship premium device so it should have that feature anyways.
At any rate, I've voted with my wallet. I just got a Moto G and will not be returning to Apple products.
Re: Antenna Gate Wins
You are proof that not all of your generation succumbs to hyperbole and propoganda.
I commend your move. Congrats on your Moto G.
John B.
Re: Antenna Gate Wins
sixth, and wholeheartedly agree, apple is a big rip off, ive noticed though from a big carrier people are definitely starting to catch wind with this and are going to samsung instead.
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Without a doubt it is your generation, apple lover.... Also I owned an iPhone for years and unlike "your" generation I like others caught on to Apples ridiculous game with "my generation" which includes the people above i'm sure....
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good for you voting with your wallet however I will suffice to say this, it very much is as bad as everyone is making it to see because the only people telling you you shouldn't have it is apple, although it didn't work for you it definitely is working for other people, carrot dangling is a great term for it too.
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I appreciate the compliment. I apologize for my hot headed response before.
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I got a Moto G too and I am loving it, sadly it doesn't have NFC though which I use to use with my Nexus 7 all the time.
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Yup. Oh lil' buddy Magnagarde, you're upset that someone's made a sweeping generalization on a web forum. One day you'll be mature enough to understand the folly of your distress (that's what forumz doo).
Plus I'd bet that you've either had private education or travel experience that disqualifies you from the preconceived category in question; don't try to stick up for them, just stick out for yourself.
Re: Antenna Gate Wins
Magnagarde said:
Well, I haven't actually seen the figures, so I may be mistaken. I was only speaking from personal experience.
If you look at his well spoken post...he didn't use figures either, he used personal experience, just like you. Hell he even stated "i know most of my generation, except for most of the women i know, don't use iphones."
He just said that most of the women he knows uses an apple product, but most of his generation doesnt? Does that make sense to you?
And he didn't even respond to what you had a problem with, as far as i can tell. Slammer (or John B. as he needs to tell everybody with every post he makes) casually insulted an entire group of people and when called on it he went on a rant on how much more observant he is than you and started bashing Apple.
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Damn. Here I thought I was better than that!
And yeah, I guess I really don't fit into that group, it's just I feel like if I said so I'd come across as someone who obnoxiously screams "I'm different! I'm better than those other people!" When in reality I'm just different, not necessarily better.
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If you have a problem with my post, wouldn't it be more mature to debate me personally rather than attack Magnagarde? I would be glad to share any info I have with you. Any other way is counter-productive. Perhaps a little less aggressive and more cordial on your part.
John B.
Re: Antenna Gate Wins
I believe the Moto G does not have NFC, does not have expandable memory and does not have a removable battery. It has Andriod and is pretty cheap but by no means it´s a flagship device.
Just pointing out the features that started this discussion do not come in this phone . However looking at it from a very vague point of view, it has the about the sames features as an iPhone for maybe a fraction of the price. So it´s still a good buy.
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Do you think Apple is trying to have the technology go bluetooth (the new lite version) rather than nfc?
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A true forum warrior. Kudos to Slammer. Ave!
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Seventh.
I work for a place that thinks the iPhones are the best phones ever, it's what all my bosses have so they think all the other phones are inferior. If i walked in to my back room right now, I could count stock, 20 iPhones 5S', 1 Galaxy S4, 1 Galaxy Note 3, and 1 HTC One.
It hurts to sell such an overpriced and feature lacking phone at a higher price than superior phones.
The iPhones are of course a great phone, but there are much better phones out there. If its friends or family where my job doesnt influence my sales, I ask them: "Do you want a great phone, or do you want an iPhone?"
Re: Antenna Gate Wins
No no no. Its the older generation and the younger generation that is keeping apple alive. I'm 31. The generation older than me and the generation younger than me are using iPhones.
The older generation use the iPhone because it is supposedly easier to use. I still don't understand how its easier. I have used both and I think Android is easier. The younger generation uses it as a status symbol.
And I totally disagree with you about SD cards, removable batteries, and NFC. I have used NFC about once to transfer a picture. but a picture message would have been just as fast. I tried having someone explain how NFC benefits anybody but they could not. I have the HTC ONE and have no sd card slot or removable batteries.
I would never want an SD Card. They go bad all the time. However my HTC ONE comes with 32GB not 16GB. Apple totally fails on that one. I've never had a battery go out on any of my phones and never owned a spare battery. So that is useless to me.
Don't tell me that SD cards and removable storage is an Apple thing. Its an Android thing too. Google doesn't support SD cards. And the new Nexus phones and tabs don't have removable batteries.
The real reason why Android is better than Apple is customization and widgets. You can get bigger screens with Android phones. Or you can get something like the Moto X that is a bigger screen but about the same physical size as an iPhone. If you don't like the keyboard the phone comes with you can download a new one. I like Swiftkey so I bought it. My choice. Not someone elses. Swyping on the keyboard is awesome.
According to the statistics older people and richer people use iPhones.
http://www.marketingprofs.com/chart/20 13/10957/how-iphone-and-android-ownership-varies-b y-demographic
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I appreiciate the candid response coupled with attached info.
However, if you review my post, you will find that I never claimed the older generation does ot use an iphone. I specifically said that it is the younger generation that is the higher percentage of iphone users. And the difference is pretty significant. The other thing to consider is that the info you provided, is a study conducted almost a year ago.
My point of my post was that our generation did not buy into Apple's MO. The younger generation in 2007, may have bought Apple's iphone without knowing any history of the company. No doubt the original iphone was a work of tremendous interest. But, as the years progress here, the school age students( high school and college) are the ones toting more of the Apple brand as the older(above 30) are slowly ditching the Apple brand for Android as the MO starts to recover in the minds of users. The info as written a year ago, supports this. Also the users above the $150k income bracket represent a very small percentage of overall users. In perspective, the 40% of the high income does not represent majority of users since those that make more than 150k is a percentage far below average income.
John B.
You'll get LTE in about 10% of a given market.
...On a good day.
I know that in non-Spark areas (where 800 Band 26 LTE is not deployed), I have to be within a 1-2 mile range of a given tower to use LTE. Otherwise, my phone switches back to 3G.
There aren't even enough Band 26 LTE deployments to objectively compare Sprint to the big boys yet.
Sprint has the most underpowered LTE implementation of all the carriers. It's no wonder they are so desperate to acquire T-Mobile.
Given equal cell site placement, channel width, and environmental factors, T-Mobile's Band 4 LTE signal reaches about 30-50% farther than Sprint's Band 25 LTE, with the testing I've done in my market.
Sprint can't even begin to touch Verizon and AT&T with their B25 LTE, it's like comparing a candle to the sun.
Even when Sprint does get their 5 MHz B26 LTE channel up and running, it's going to be overcrowded before it even gets out the gate... Unless they somehow get rid of their Unlimited data plans all the sudden.
And don't even start with the B41 that's supposed to relieve the crowded B25 spectrum. Its distance and penetration is going to be very limited, and unless Sprint is going to put a B41 base station on every street corner, you will know that their LTE is still going to underwhelm.
Re: How about something useful...
In honesty, they dont cover 250 million POPS. Their licenses do but the actual LTE network does not. Right out of the gate, there are only about 1/4th of that number able to actually access LTE on a regular basis without connectivity issues. Major cities, where the bulk of the 250 million POPS they claim reside, are getting connected to an LTE site, only to find that there is no backhaul data connectivity, leaving their devices without service unbeknownst to the user. I learned this the hard way by experience, then saw my roommate, her sister, my parents, everyone of their Sprint friends all experience the same thing, in different cities mind you (with the exception of my roommate whom lives with me in the same city).
800Mhz is a joke. It is only another 5x5 LTE deployment, SHARED with CDMA, with CDMA taking priority in voice, data, and deployment BEFORE LTE. In the 800Mhz areas, I have experienced worse coverage, call connections and data speed than I have on the already oversaturated PCS network.
As for HD Voice, T-Mobile has had this for over a year now, European carriers for almost two. Sprint is just now getting around to deploying it network wide?
Abandonware
Carriers/manufacturers love to preinstall these junk Android bloatware abandonware apps. The majority of these apps are full of bugs/security holes, poorly designed, and just stop working or become obsolete before the device has been out of the gate for a short period of time.
I'll stick with my fruit phone which works years beyond its original design, and doesn't cripple itself when they decide that a certain app or function becomes unprofitable. It just works.
