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Cingular still has more customers but Verizon is catching up.

Verizon service is better quality.

http://www.wirelessconsultant.net »

VZW also has had the VCast in place for longer then Cingular has has EV-DO on demand available. This is where most of their higher revenues come from. Also the have used the trick of licensing device manufacturer's into creation devices that are sold as the Verizon CDM ### series. The sales of those devices will go to the profits of Verizon not the manufacturer. Corporate tricks to alter numbers for tax or advertising reasons.

"Also the have used the trick of licensing device manufacturer's into creation devices that are sold as the Verizon CDM ### series. The sales of those devices will go to the profits of Verizon not the manufacturer."


Are you serious? Does anyone think these phones make that much of a difference in revenue?

And since you are comparing VZW to Cingular, Cingular also has their own branded phones. I counted 4 on their website.

Flat out no one can compete with verizon's handset line up right now, but in my opinion cingulars is at the bottom so w/o some new phones deffinitly, and cingular is the only carrier w/o a strong media network no TV, or radio.

Hrm...actually Cingular is partnered with MobiTV and MobiRadio, available on many of their 2.5/3G Handsets.

So therefore they have TV and radio. Not to mention the addition to their own Video and Music Services rolling out with the HSDPA Network.

Sides, there are some really good phones coming out into their lineup. (They chose the D807 over the Chocolate due to issues that rose up in Asia with the touch-sensitive keys. The issues were minor, but the touch-sensitive keys seemed to die out after some usage.)

As a person whom sells both carriers and uses them personally. Verizon is a better service to use and sell.

I am getting better commissions and my service is better with Verizon. I am In the South Florida market

Its easier to sell Verizon now.

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I worked for Cingular for several years. I have since then left the company and now work for an authorized agent of Verizon. When I first started with Cingular (back when it started) the company was great, doing everything they can to please the customer and employee. Since then they've seem to continue in a trend of caring less and less by the day.

Being an agent of Verizon, I've noticed Verizon is doing the opposite. They try more and more to make things better.

With these facts and experiences in mind, I do believe that Verizon could very well pass Cingular in 2006.

Ive been a manager of an indirect store for about 3 months now and ive had AT&T for the past 4 years until i switched to verizon about a week ago and im finding that the serice is much better...Although I sell verizon, there are a few strong points that cingular has over verizon! For instance, cingular phones have MUCH better features than verizon phones, maybe because they get horrible reception so they make up for it but offering phones like the rokr that influence more music than talking on the phone...Verizon's bluetooth is crippled so you can only use bluetooth for those ugly headsets that barely stay on your ear meanwhile with my att phone i was doing file transfers all day long with buddies!
GO VERIZON IN 06

Verizon will pass Cingular for sure soley on the reception (in my opinion, anyway).

quick question aren't the cingular employees unionized ??

yes Cingular so far is the only unionized company

When does Verizon announce their fourth quarter net adds?

AgentOrange said:
When does Verizon announce their fourth quarter net adds?

not sure when but I have seen them and they are huge ... record type numbers.

Tomorrow is Cingulars reporting. Does anybody know when Verizon reports?

verizon will be reporting end year results on jan 26

Cingular Wireless added 1.7 million net subscribers in Q1, giving it a total base of 55.8 million cellular/PCS subscribers at quarter's end. This compares to 1.4 million net additions a year ago.

http://www.convergedigest.com/Bandwidth/newnetworksa ... »

Perhaps by the end of 06 Cingular will surpass 60 million! ! ! ! !

verizon added 1.7 million also.

NEW YORK (AP) - Standard & Poor's lowered its debt rating for Verizon Communications Inc. and placed AT&T Inc. and BellSouth Corp. on CreditWatch for possible downgrade, citing an accelerating loss of customers by the nation's three biggest telephone companies to rival services from cable TV providers.

``The potential loss of customers to cable comes on the heels of the continuing loss of wireline voice customers to wireless substitution"

Cingular said it finished 2005 with 54.1 million subscribers. It had a net increase of 1.8 million subscribers in the fourth quarter.

Cingular held on to the No. 1 spot in subscribers. But figures released Tuesday by Verizon Wireless show the No. 2 provider is fast gaining on Cingular. Verizon Wire...
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that is ok becuase you can have your opinion, but my opinion is stating that verizon will take cingular for that number 1 spot in 2006. (nationwide. ie total subscriber)

Not exactly a leap, there. But Cingular is improving in many ways; but it won't be enough or quickly enough.

perhaps.. cingular has a long way to go to try to get the same pace that verizon is getting with churn and net adds. it will be difficult for them but it should be interesting.

That it will. But as I said, I don't see Cingular improving enough, quickly enough. Verizon will pass them; question is when. I say 2007.

"I don't see Cingular improving enough, quickly enough"

i agree.

"question is when"

well as of 2005;

cingular has: 54.1 million

verizon has: 51.3 million

so that means cingular is leading by 2.8 million.

total net adds in 2005:

Verizon= 7.50 million
Cingular= 5.06 million

which shows verizon leads by 2.44 million.

so just based on those numbers at the end of 2006 verizon should be only .36 million behind cingular, which makes your premise of 2007 correct. (2.80 million - 2.44 million= .36 million. my calculation)

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Time will tell, and i will be keeping my eye on this situation as those 2 report their earnings in 2006.

Looks like Cingular bet on the wrong horse again! RadioShack is closing 500-700 stores. That's got to hurt. Maybe agent distribution isn't so bad after all.

are you named after the chemical or the band that is named after the chemical?

That's pretty funny. If I had to pick one, it would be the band but actually Cingular calls the legacy Cingular agents Orange agents and the AT&T agents Blue agents. Sometimes I feel like the agent channel is being sprayed by the chemical and left to shrivel up and die. Check out this recent quote from Cingular CEO Stanley Sigman made Feb. 17,2006 "From Cingular's standpoint,Radio Shack gives it an opportunity to eliminate less productive distribution channels"

exactly! radio shack got rid of verizon for cingular? lol they are crazy!!

Hold on to your hat. Verizon is looking to fill in the gaps in eastern KY.

Well; I don't know if they will or not. But I do know since Cingular has gotten their towers re-routed through Shreveport; I'm a very HAPPY Cingular customer. Their customer service isn't worth a CRAP. But I DON'T see that changing; unfortunately. 😕

Sure if you want to open up your own indirect location such as a franchise and go under contract with VZ..Does VZ have coverage in that area?

does Cingular still have the greatest coverage area because I haven't heard them boast that in any of their adds lately. Is is now Verizon?

The recent ads I've been hearing Cingular has been claiming that it has the least amount of dropped calls.

http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2006/04/23/t ... »

I have been a Cingular customer for over 4yrs, and the only other carrier I'd consider would be Helio.

Well Verizon Wireless has ported in more #'s than any other carrier has!!! Also they have lost the least amount of any carrier and continue to drop churn rate to industry low. If you have ever used verizon and cingular they are like night and day! Verizon has the most reliable signal available form any carrier I've had them all including cingular and that gsm is so unreliable got full service now and oh look damn no service. hate that technology. Verizon rocks and will pass cingular by end 2006 or 1st quater 2007

Funny how you also have "verizon" in your user name. 🤣

So you mean to tell me that Verizon has the best network in any given city in the country on any given day? Also, do they report the number of customer ported in on their quarterly financial reports?

On the customers from other companies thing I'm sure all of the carriers could say similar things.
As for the upgrading of customers that should not have been upgraded unfortunately some unscrupulous sales associates and managers found loopholes in the systems and utilized them. Usually it was calling Verizon CS and having the dates changed by the CS rep. The companies changed that almost two years ago. With our policies it can be a termination offense to fraudulantly upgrade or add lines. It is monitored very closely on a daily basis.

In many markets Verizon has been the only carrier with credible coverage. Now that others are building out aggressively it is no longer true. Basically people chose Verizon by default, nothing else worke...
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I would really like to know what experts are disputing this point. Verizon advertises that they have the most "reliable" coverage area not the largest coverage area. Cingular has 56,000,000 customers and Verizon has approx. 51,000,000. Cingular has coverage in all US mainland states along with Alaska, Hawaii, and Puerto Rico. Not to mention that Cingular and Verizon run on 2 completely different technologies, Cingular - GSM, UMTS/HSDPA. Verizon - TDMA,CDMA

I will say one thing. Verizon wireless is dedicated to thier customers. As and agent I take extra care of my customers. If you have ever talked to someone that has had a wireless phone 90 percent of the time they have a horror story. In the alabama market alone verzon is filling up the gaps in talledega clay county randolph county wedowee and roanake. These place i have name no cellular serivce gets coverage in not even cingular. Verizon will have this covered by the end of august we are told. I turn away probly 5 to 10 customer a week who want to start up brand new service with verizon because we dont have coverage there. Yes verizon will pass cingular. By consumer reports verizon is the top rated cell phone carrier in the united s...
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Looks like Cingular is going to remain numero uno!

i feel that the cdma network is a little behind the world. especially for the world traveler. that is why people go to cingular. cingular knows that the future is in GSM network. THE WORLD use GSM, not CDMA. also every time i see a verizon phone i am amazed at the menu. they allllllllll look the same. freaking nazi's. i'd rather go with a carrier who thinks about the future then stays in the past and keeps every one the same. i recently ordered a m600i sony ericsson and i KNOW i will be happy. i don't have to deal with the crap i would with verizon or sprint. all i have to do is put my sim card in and i am good to go. i have no need for customer service.

Having the menu look the same helps the older generation and the not so tech savy.

The phones have so many features now, why confuse people with different menus?

CDMA wireless technology is the best here in the USA for reception and data speeds.

I believe CDMA will be the best national wireless technology for at least 4-5 more years.

it is true that CDMA is great here in the states. But over all it is behind the times. i am not saying the Cingular and t-mobile are and better, they are also behind the times. but over all we stink compared to countries like japan and the u.k. and even africa. we are SO far behind. last i heard G4 is about to come out over seas and we are still stuck trying to learn to use 3g and wcdma1xevo, whatever it is called.
all i know those who use the digital network are stuck here in the states. a hand full of countries have digital network support. it is going to be dead technology, in a few years.

I travel alot and i need something that will work here in the states and over seas. 😁

I seriously sick and tired of f*cking hearing people b*tch about the user interface. Seriously, do you have nothing better to complain about than the f*cking menu style? Who cares? What matters is how the phone performs and what features it has.

At least if you're going to whine about something, do it about something that matters. I honestly could give a $hit less if the menu was hot pink as long as it was a good phone.

speaking of features, do you enjoy having obex disabled? or how about paying to send pictures to yourself?

Having worked for both sides of the fence, as a corporate employee (I'll leave you guessing as to who I'm working for now.), I can tell you a few things about the little Verizon vs. Cingular debacle.

Verizon Wireless wants customers who are intelligent, with excellent credit. Intelligent people with excellent credit have money to spend on (data, superpriced bluetooth headsets) things that make Verizon Wireless tons of money. Hence, they are the wealthiest phone company (with the wealthiest customer base) in the United States. They are privately held, and will likely remain that way indefinately.

Cingular Wireless is designed to be more friendly to everyone, and give EVERYONE an option to get a phone through them. "GO" phones are an exc...
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Logically, it does not make sense to spend $40 billion and let Verizon pass you with out even putting up a fight. I am a Cingular agent and our region is getting our butts whooped by Verizon. It is getting worse each month.

Actually, at last count, AT&T Mobility had 62 million customers, and Verizon Wireless had 59 million.

cingular has been treading water ever since the AT&T buyout they really haven't seen a profitable year in a while, however Verizon has seen one every quater. Verizon will pass cingular in 07

give T-Mobile another 50..... years and they'll
have you all!!

Funny as HELL!!!!

haha yeah okay...

You are evil, and must be destroyed! (For extra points, what movie is that from!)

Amen & testify, brotha! I had Cingular for a few months this year and calls were drppoing like it's hot. I've only lost 15-20 calls with Verizon (Keep in mind: 1. I talk a lot on the phone, 2. It's debatable how many of those dropped calls were even my fault {some were, some weren;t}). Granted Cingular does have a better selection of PDA/Smartphones (I'd love to see a CDMA IPAQ phone), but Verizon will win hands down, if they're not winning already.