Rumor Mill
Cingular Push-to-Talk
"Cingular is investigating several solutions for a Push-to-Talk product. We are targeting a 2005 launch. You'll hear more about this issue in the future."
pretty cool!
nextel18 said:
cingular and att wireless push to talk wont be as good as nextel's anyway so its nothing to worry about. but i think cingular/awe could be as good as sprint and verizon becuase they use gprs and tdma. things should be interesting and i cant wait till the merger gets through and the push to talk comes out..
Actually, Cingular's PTT is testing on par with Nextel's PTT. Sprint's and VZW's PTT is performing poorly. iDEN(nextel's technology) is based on GSM, so Cingular's should be just as good.
CainMarko said:
Actually, Cingular's PTT is testing on par with Nextel's PTT.
I would be shocked if that were true. It's practically impossible for any kind of PTT over GPRS to reach that kind of performance.
I'm not saying Cingular's PTT doesn't perform well - I'm just saying "on par with Nextel" isn't realistic.
Sprint's and VZW's PTT is performing poorly.
I wouldn't just lump those two together so casually. At the moment, Sprint's is much better than Verizon's. I would expect Cingular's system to be roughly on par with Sprint's.
iDEN(nextel's technology) is based on GSM, so Cingular's should be just as good.
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Yeah, Rich, I guess you will be shocked. Because if you're saying that Sprint's PTT is good then you will be impressed.
According to telecomm magazine...
"While optimizations coming in CDMA2000 Release A should improve performance, the initial service has not posed a threat to Nextel’s iDEN network. Waiting in the wings, however, is a pre-standard GSM-based PoC solution from Nokia that has already demonstrated rapid connection initiation and fast “Chirp to Talk” responses. Taking advantage of permanent GPRS PDP (Packet ...
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CainMarko said:
Yeah, Rich, I guess you will be shocked. Because if you're saying that Sprint's PTT is good then you will be impressed.
I said Sprint's PTT was better than Verizon's. Saying it's "good" would be something different. That's a matter of opinion and I wasn't trying to offer that - just make a comparison.
According to telecomm magazine......
"While optimizations coming in CDMA2000 Release A should improve performance, the initial service has not posed a threat to Nextel’s iDEN network. Waiting in the wings, however, is a pre-standard GSM-based PoC solution from Nokia that has already demonstrated rapid connection initiation and fast “Chirp to Talk” responses. Taking advantage of pe
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CainMarko said:
...I'll just have to add you to the list of folks who constantly doubt the abilities of GSM.
What?? 😕 Where did that come from? 🙄
Oh, and yes Nokia's PTT was a pre release... but they have come on board with OMA and are working with the other companies in that group.
Absolutely; everyone is committed to the standard. But my point was that it's Nokia vs. the other guys, with both sides wanting their "pre-standard" to become the standard. Until that issue is settled, it's all a little preliminary.
But do you think they will come up with something that's not as good as the pre-release?
No. Of course with politics between com...
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Rich Brome said:CainMarko said:
...I'll just have to add you to the list of folks who constantly doubt the abilities of GSM.
What?? 😕 Where did that come from? 🙄
Well, you did imply that I didn't know what I was talking about because I was quoting a magazine. I can appreciate the fact that you've had the opportunity to use it briefly, but the guys down the hall have used it often, and they say it's nice. It's quite bothersome to hear naysayers of the GSM product, because,quite frankly, GSM has NEVER underperformed. Everytime some someone starts spouting that GSM has reached it's zenith, or is just ancient technology, someone comes up with a way to make the GSM ...
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CainMarko said:
Well, you did imply that I didn't know what I was talking about because I was quoting a magazine.
That wasn't my intention. Sorry if it seemed like it. Certainly I quote articles all the time - I think most of us do.
I can appreciate the fact that you've had the opportunity to use it briefly, but the guys down the hall have used it often, and they say it's nice.
I didn't say it wasn't. I only said that when I tried it, it didn't seem nearly as fast as Nextel. It might have improved since then, or I might just have a different take than the guys down the hall.
It's quite bothersome to hear naysayers of the GSM product, because,quite frankly, GSM has...
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Yes, I totally agree that MOST people do not have as strong feelings on the technology issue. MOST people who don't care DON'T WORK in the wireless industry. The bottom line to most people is "does the phone work?". But, I think it's pretty NAIVE t...
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CainMarko said:
... did you used to run a website called "sprint forums"? if you didn't then i have you confused with someone else, but that's where i got the idea that you were a cdma/sprint advocate.
No. Phone Scoop is the only site like this I've ever run, and I've always tried to keep it as unbiased as possible.
Oh, and I really don't care if anyone on this forum thinks I'm arrogant or ****y. I spent a ton of money on my college education. I have worked in the wireless industry for almost 9 years and really don't care about the opinion of a highschool drop-out who's making 9 bucks an hour as a CSR.Ouch. Careful, Cain...those "highschool drop-outs" (and highschool should be high school...so much for secondary education) are the last bastion between you and the beloved customers that pay your salary.
muchdrama said:Oh, and I really don't care if anyone on this forum thinks I'm arrogant or ****y. I spent a ton of money on my college education. I have worked in the wireless industry for almost 9 years and really don't care about the opinion of a highschool drop-out who's making 9 bucks an hour as a CSR.Ouch. Careful, Cain...those "highschool drop-outs" (and highschool should be high school...so much for secondary education) are the last bastion between you and the beloved customers that pay your salary.
Education levels have NOTHING to do with TYPOS. Your so-called "last bastion" is the second lowest rated customer service group in the world.... so much for them having anything ...
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tyrjohn said:
Well Just so you know not All CSR's are high-school drop outs some are 20 year old college students. Who in the next 4 years will be making more money than you 😛 😛 😛
Guys, I STARTED OUT IN CUSTOMER SERVICE. Not ALL CSR's are idiots.... it's just the one's that are idiots make everyone else look bad. My intent was not to slander CSRs, but to defend myself from someone who was talking trash about me. The post I was referring to was deleted, as it could have been deemed offensive, along with my direct response. The comment was not at all directed towards ALL CSRs.
I'm glad you are going to college, it WILL lead to a better job. I rec'd tuition reimbursement from both Voicestream and Sp...
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Buy the way I will be ready to retire around 30 also. 😉 I still have 9 years 😉
bba in Management
Terry College/University of Georgia
without giving away my identity: I am currently in marketing.
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eugene23 said:...
The two of you should really be ashamed of yourselves. I graduated from High School and have been in the cellular industry as a senior sales rep for 5 years. I have no college degree. But here are my qualifications. I was the leading sales rep in my region for 21 out of the 24 months that I was a senior sales rep with verizon wireless. I also was a sales rep for sprintpcs and now work on the GSM side of the businiess. The point of this sight is so that people can come here and ask questions in an environment where they dont have to fee like an "idiot" The people involved in this conversation are both obviously very intellegent people whom I feel I could learn a lot from about the cellular industry. Bu
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CainMarko said:...muchdrama said:Oh, and I really don't care if anyone on this forum thinks I'm arrogant or ****y. I spent a ton of money on my college education. I have worked in the wireless industry for almost 9 years and really don't care about the opinion of a highschool drop-out who's making 9 bucks an hour as a CSR.Ouch. Careful, Cain...those "highschool drop-outs" (and highschool should be high school...so much for secondary education) are the last bastion between you and the beloved customers that pay your salary.
Education levels have NOTHING to do with TYPOS. Your so-called "last bastion" is the second lowest rated customer service group in the world..
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muchdrama said:See that, Cain? "the last bastion between you and the beloved customers that PAY your salary".Oh, and I really don't care if anyone on this forum thinks I'm arrogant or ****y. I spent a ton of money on my college education. I have worked in the wireless industry for almost 9 years and really don't care about the opinion of a highschool drop-out who's making 9 bucks an hour as a CSR.Ouch. Careful, Cain...those "highschool drop-outs" (and highschool should be high school...so much for secondary education) are the last bastion between you and the beloved customers that pay your salary.
muchdrama said:muchdrama said:See that, Cain? "the last bastion between you and the beloved customers that PAY your salary".Oh, and I really don't care if anyone on this forum thinks I'm arrogant or ****y. I spent a ton of money on my college education. I have worked in the wireless industry for almost 9 years and really don't care about the opinion of a highschool drop-out who's making 9 bucks an hour as a CSR.Ouch. Careful, Cain...those "highschool drop-outs" (and highschool should be high school...so much for secondary education) are the last bastion between you and the beloved customers that pay your salary.
Yeah I see it.... I also see the ...
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tyrjohn said:It's a labor of love.
You two give me something to laugh at every day. I just loving reading each one of your come backs. 🙂
I don't care was arguing for what; all I know is that a line was crossed when the name-calling began.
It started with someone calling someone else an "irrational idiot", and went downhill from there... way downhill, unfortunately. 🙄
It got out of control, and I'm not happy about that. I apologize, and I want to make two things clear:
1. Name-calling and personal attacks are unacceptable. It doesn't matter what the topic is; there's a clear difference between disagreeing with someone (attacking their argument) and attacking a person. Attacking a person is completely unacceptable.
2. I wasn't aware of this whole or...
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Perhaps someone here can enlighten me on that.
In the meantime, please continue to sling mud. It's been highly entertaining.
I think however people want the PTT option due to its simpleness. Push one button to talk to either one other person, or to a group of people walkie-talkie style. It's way more convenient to use than making a call. That's PTT's main appeal i believe.
CainMarko said:
I think he was saying there is no point in having PTT because, like mobile to mobile, it only works with your carrier.
Precisely. It's redundant.
I can see the appeal of being able to call an entire group of people with just a few button-pushes. However, for one-to-one calls, is anyone really in such a rush that they can't pull someone's number from their contact lists? It ends up being the same number of button pushes on most phones.
Granted, my only experience with PTT, aside from being annoyed by people's chirps in public, is guiding customers through making their first Readylink calls. I don't know if it's simpler or more difficult on Nextel.
Slander said:...CainMarko said:
I think he was saying there is no point in having PTT because, like mobile to mobile, it only works with your carrier.
Precisely. It's redundant.
I can see the appeal of being able to call an entire group of people with just a few button-pushes. However, for one-to-one calls, is anyone really in such a rush that they can't pull someone's number from their contact lists? It ends up being the same number of button pushes on most phones.
Granted, my only experience with PTT, aside from being annoyed by people's chirps in public, is guiding customers through making their first Readylink calls. I don't know if it's simpler or more difficult on Nextel.
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is it true?
anybody knows the lauch date...?
You are correct. Cingular is in the process of rigourous testing(since summer 0f 04) to prevent a PTT flop like Verizon had. It sould be ready to go by the middle of the 1st quarter of 2005. Cingular is starting with the Moto V400p. The SE Z500 was suppose to be PTT, too, but it appears that isn't the case. I haven't heard of anymore info in a while but if I do, I will keep you posted.
Will
Dallas Market
I understand it in the business world. I've seen it used by contractors, my cable company, my landlord who runs a business. All these people need to be in constant contact with their employees/coworkers and it makes it so much easier for them to dish out orders, ask questions, and get solutions VERY quickly. I even saw it used by one worker to contact another worker (who was at my house at the time) to translate for a customer who only spoke spanish. All this is GREAT for businesses.
My question is WHAT IN THE HELL is it good for in the private sector? First off it's only useable on the same network. If your best friend is on VZW and you're on Sprint, you...
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Frankly, I think it has somewhat to do with the fact that Americans, and people in general, like the instantaneous connection. Sure, I know a regular phone call is pretty quick...but PTT is that much quicker. Secondly I think it has a bit to do with the "cool" factor. That's what I loved about it when I was with Nextel (and I did have a small group of best friends that had Nextel as well...unlimited gabbing instantaneously is pretty amusing).
My question is WHAT IN THE HELL is it good for in the private sector? I don't get it, someone please tell me what's so great about PTT to "normal" people?
trojanDe said:In development, probably deciding what standard they'll go with. Closer than you think, though. A perfect person to ask is CainMarko.
whats the satatus of cingular push to talk??
I've also played with a live phone. It takes about 7 seconds to initially connect, but communication after the initial connection is almost instantaneous. You can compare it to this.. When you sign onto Yahoo, you have to connect to the yahoo server, which gives yo...
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We're hoping for the Samsung model to come in soon so all of us employees can get our new lines.