Sprint Nextel
hi, im a qwest wireless customer, recently Cricket, and i am very curious about this merger with sprint and nextel, seeing as im basiclally with sprint just through qwest. after the merger, will sprint and nextel customers be able to talk over the walkie talkies? and will the be changeing the nextel people over to the pcs network?? Will sprint nextel have more customers then cingular??
just thought you guys can ansmwer some of these? thank you!
just thought you guys can ansmwer some of these? thank you!
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sure, i would love to help you with your questions.
you asked about if nextel and sprint customers can push to talk to each other? the answer is yes they can and will be able to do so.
will nextel be changing to the cdma/pcs network? they arent forcing anyone to migrate over but in 2008 or so they are going to slowly migrate customers, cell sites, and spectrum to the cdma/pcs network.
will sprint/nextel have more customers then cingular? nextel has 17.1 million customers and sprint has 26 million customers. which equals= 43.1 million, while cingular has 50 million or so customers. so the answer is no, but could change.
for qt 1 they combined companied got 2.1 million customers if you include boost, but if you dont include boost...
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you asked about if nextel and sprint customers can push to talk to each other? the answer is yes they can and will be able to do so.
will nextel be changing to the cdma/pcs network? they arent forcing anyone to migrate over but in 2008 or so they are going to slowly migrate customers, cell sites, and spectrum to the cdma/pcs network.
will sprint/nextel have more customers then cingular? nextel has 17.1 million customers and sprint has 26 million customers. which equals= 43.1 million, while cingular has 50 million or so customers. so the answer is no, but could change.
for qt 1 they combined companied got 2.1 million customers if you include boost, but if you dont include boost...
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Your data isn't clear and there are some accuracy issues.
Verizon added 1.64 million customer of which 1.58 were direct postpaid and the rest were prepaid adds.
Sprint pcs added 1.3 million net new wireless customers, to end the quarter with roughly 26 million subscribers. Sprint breaks down its customer adds as 518,000 from direct retail sales channels, 621,000 from wholesale and 166,000 from Sprint PCS affiliates. Sprint also announced it completed the transition of the Qwest subscriber base to the Sprint network, with roughly 200,000 subscribers migrating from backlog status at the beginning of the period to activated status.
Sprint is adding their affiliates numbers and the wholesale numbers which Verizon and Cingular are ...
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Verizon added 1.64 million customer of which 1.58 were direct postpaid and the rest were prepaid adds.
Sprint pcs added 1.3 million net new wireless customers, to end the quarter with roughly 26 million subscribers. Sprint breaks down its customer adds as 518,000 from direct retail sales channels, 621,000 from wholesale and 166,000 from Sprint PCS affiliates. Sprint also announced it completed the transition of the Qwest subscriber base to the Sprint network, with roughly 200,000 subscribers migrating from backlog status at the beginning of the period to activated status.
Sprint is adding their affiliates numbers and the wholesale numbers which Verizon and Cingular are ...
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i added the wholesale numbers etc.. to sprint's network etc.. thus; that means nextel/sprint didnt get 1.25 million they got 2.1 million and 1.85 million. (including boost and not.) it counts as ads and revenue.
not sure if you understand but mvno's you dont have to pay a high cpga. (cost per getting aquistion) so that helps.
thus; i included the numbers that they included. thats how it goes. sorry.
not sure if you understand but mvno's you dont have to pay a high cpga. (cost per getting aquistion) so that helps.
thus; i included the numbers that they included. thats how it goes. sorry.
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Apples to Oranges was his point.
If Cingular (not sure how much Verizon does) added their reseller channel numbers they would have a larger figure. Sprint also included their affiliate figures (Alamosa PCS for example) but those won't go over with the merger as they are independently owned.
I think it is a little funny to include Sprint and Nextel together considering they haven't even been approved to go forward but that is your prerogative. But let's make sure we have accurate comparisons. I believe the carriers are going to start reporting figures in a more standard fashion so you won't need to perform the math.
If Cingular (not sure how much Verizon does) added their reseller channel numbers they would have a larger figure. Sprint also included their affiliate figures (Alamosa PCS for example) but those won't go over with the merger as they are independently owned.
I think it is a little funny to include Sprint and Nextel together considering they haven't even been approved to go forward but that is your prerogative. But let's make sure we have accurate comparisons. I believe the carriers are going to start reporting figures in a more standard fashion so you won't need to perform the math.
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well cingular and att wireless was the same deal. as the meger was announced they said that they had X amount. thats what they do.
well everyone is saying its going to be approved and i belive so to.
yea, well so far it looks pretty good with the core, prepaid, and wholesale/mvno's businesses. should be interesting.
well everyone is saying its going to be approved and i belive so to.
yea, well so far it looks pretty good with the core, prepaid, and wholesale/mvno's businesses. should be interesting.
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For sportfan and any others this was the previous point being made.
To say Sprint and Nextel combined has 2.1 million adds while Cingular and Verizon have 1.4 and 1.6 is comparing apples and oranges.
Sprint includes adds which were sold via a reseller channel. Cingular (and I believe Verizon) does not. One of the previous posts broke down the actual adds to be 1.25 million for Sprint and Nextel when using the same figures as Cingular (and Verizon).
So to say they could overtake Cingular based on those figures is not accurate. It is a hypothesis based on erroneous facts.
My house is bigger than my neighbors house, if I include my condo I rent out down the street.
To say Sprint and Nextel combined has 2.1 million adds while Cingular and Verizon have 1.4 and 1.6 is comparing apples and oranges.
Sprint includes adds which were sold via a reseller channel. Cingular (and I believe Verizon) does not. One of the previous posts broke down the actual adds to be 1.25 million for Sprint and Nextel when using the same figures as Cingular (and Verizon).
So to say they could overtake Cingular based on those figures is not accurate. It is a hypothesis based on erroneous facts.
My house is bigger than my neighbors house, if I include my condo I rent out down the street.
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oh ok buddy. thats coming from you.
no you add whosalers, prepaid, and core. thats what nextel and sprint did and thats what i do.
sorry. thats how you do it. sorry
no you add whosalers, prepaid, and core. thats what nextel and sprint did and thats what i do.
sorry. thats how you do it. sorry
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I'm sorry that some people don't understand that prepaid's churn rate is substantially more than that of postpaid.
Subscriber count doesn't matter on the whole. Right now, Verizon is still recognized as the market leader, and they will continue to be so. You keep making sneaky remarks about how sprint nextel outgained everyone for the first quarter without qualifying those remarks. I guarantee that a larger percentage of the numbers posted by sprint and nextel were prepaid than were for cingular and verizon.
Subscriber count doesn't matter on the whole. Right now, Verizon is still recognized as the market leader, and they will continue to be so. You keep making sneaky remarks about how sprint nextel outgained everyone for the first quarter without qualifying those remarks. I guarantee that a larger percentage of the numbers posted by sprint and nextel were prepaid than were for cingular and verizon.
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"I guarantee that a larger percentage of the numbers posted by sprint and nextel were prepaid than were for cingular and verizon."
this is wrong again.
i did show evidence. i did their core, plus their wholesale/mvnos' and nextel's boost prepaid system. thats hwo you do it. when i come up with the total its 2.1 million. or 1.865 million if you dont include boost.
this is wrong again.
i did show evidence. i did their core, plus their wholesale/mvnos' and nextel's boost prepaid system. thats hwo you do it. when i come up with the total its 2.1 million. or 1.865 million if you dont include boost.
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You said he is wrong that Sprint and Nextel combined do a larger % of prepaid compared to total acts than does Verizon and Cingular. That is right, and it is to Nextel's credit that their Boost product does well. I can't believe you are telling someone they are wrong when they (unknowingly) showed how Nextel is doing well in a certain area. I wish I could sell more prepaid. Our product (Cingular) just isn't as competitive
You said he is wrong that Sprint and Nextel combined do a larger % of prepaid compared to total acts than does Verizon and Cingular. That is right, and it is to Nextel's credit that their Boost product does well. I can't believe you are telling someone they are wrong when they (unknowingly) showed how Nextel is doing well in a certain area. I wish I could sell more prepaid. Our product (Cingular) just isn't as competitive
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nextel is doing very well in all areas; prepaid and core.
i thought he said that when nextel/sprint reports their numbers they add in their prepaid numbers. (they dont) if i mis-read that, then thats ok.
i thought he said that when nextel/sprint reports their numbers they add in their prepaid numbers. (they dont) if i mis-read that, then thats ok.
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He did, it was just presented in a negative manner when it isn't negative, actually somewhat positive.
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hey thank you everyone for the answers!! i really aprecitate it!!! i just have one more question, how and why is qwest useing sprints pcs network? i'm from cricket so i didnt here andything on sprint and qwest till i purchesed qwest.
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Qwest, along with several other companies, are entering the market as resellers of other provider's services. Sprint is one of the leaders in this arena, providing services for companies such as Time Warner Cable, Qwest and many others (had AT&T not been purchased by SBC they most they planned on relaunching AT&T Wireless as a reseller of Sprint).
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texaswireless said:I guess Cingular didn't want anything ATTWS-related running about. Damn them.
Qwest, along with several other companies, are entering the market as resellers of other provider's services. Sprint is one of the leaders in this arena, providing services for companies such as Time Warner Cable, Qwest and many others (had AT&T not been purchased by SBC they most they planned on relaunching AT&T Wireless as a reseller of Sprint).
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well becuase qwest really doesnt have a network so they will use sprint's pcs network thats a lot oof capacity. its another revenue stream that qwest and sprint pcs can generate. it lowers sprint's cpga costs so that helps. sprint is the leader in this space and its very helpful to them becuase again they lower their cpga costs but it still hits their arpu numbers and revenue numbers. how? well thats easy, sprint gives them access to their network. sprint has plenty of spectrum and capacity in all of their markets to allow many mvno's and wholesalers to come in and "lease" the network from them. time warner, comcast, and others will probably go into the wireless business by leasing off of carriers becuase they dont want to pay billions of d...
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You can add up anything you like, you are not getting the point. You are arguing with me about something that we agree upon.
We ALL agree that is how Sprint does it, which is why you do it. I am challenging the conclusion. Your "conclusion" that they are doing 1/2 million or so more adds versus Cingular and Verizon is what is not correct. If you compare equal numbers Sprint/Netxel did 1.25 million, period. Their affiliates are not activations they did in their own store, nor are their resellers. Those two channels account for 3/4 million new subs.
I am making this point one last time for everyone except Nextel18. Funny since this time we agree on the numbers.
We ALL agree that is how Sprint does it, which is why you do it. I am challenging the conclusion. Your "conclusion" that they are doing 1/2 million or so more adds versus Cingular and Verizon is what is not correct. If you compare equal numbers Sprint/Netxel did 1.25 million, period. Their affiliates are not activations they did in their own store, nor are their resellers. Those two channels account for 3/4 million new subs.
I am making this point one last time for everyone except Nextel18. Funny since this time we agree on the numbers.
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again they add core, wholesale/mvno's. thats how they do it. same with nextel.
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One right and one wrong. They do include figures for reseller agreements (I was incorrect on this assumption). They DO NOT include figures from any affiliates.
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hahha. batting 500. not bad. 🙂 hey atleast you tried, and i commend you for it. yea, i know they dont include figures from their affiliates. they dont really get any revenue from them unless those affiliate's subscribers are bought out or if they roam onto sprint's network.
again, anything that hits their network they are allowed to claim it.
again, anything that hits their network they are allowed to claim it.
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This is Apples to Oranges. Verizon has a new MVNO starting later this year that will be run by an ex Boot executive so look for that to take away from Boost.
To count MVNO and resellers in your base is bogus, that would be like SBC and Verizon landline stating they have all of the customers of the companys that a resellers of their wireline networks have.
To my nowledge neither Cingular or Verizon state reseller and MVNO numbers in their total subscriber base. I base this on their mobile to mobile claims of how many people you can call mobile to mobile.
Sprint PCS has always tried to juice up thier numbers but the fact is that they have had flat growth and aren't outperforming their rivals. T-Mobile will likely have double ...
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To count MVNO and resellers in your base is bogus, that would be like SBC and Verizon landline stating they have all of the customers of the companys that a resellers of their wireline networks have.
To my nowledge neither Cingular or Verizon state reseller and MVNO numbers in their total subscriber base. I base this on their mobile to mobile claims of how many people you can call mobile to mobile.
Sprint PCS has always tried to juice up thier numbers but the fact is that they have had flat growth and aren't outperforming their rivals. T-Mobile will likely have double ...
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the merger will be probably approved by aug, but nextel is hoping it will be before then. if cingular/att wireless's merger was oked, then this would be too.
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Is Michael Powell staying until this one is approved? My understanding is he is leaving after other unfinished business is complete, but not basing his actual resignation date on the Sprint deal.
The F.C.C. made several comments after the Cingular deal that indicate any future deal may have significantly more hurdles than the last. To say Sprint/Nextel will be approved because Cingular/AT&T Wireless was approved is a reach.
The F.C.C. made several comments after the Cingular deal that indicate any future deal may have significantly more hurdles than the last. To say Sprint/Nextel will be approved because Cingular/AT&T Wireless was approved is a reach.
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no, i belive nextel mentioned that they are dealing with the new commissioner. well they are on the 180 day clock. MP didnt resign becuase of the sprint deal, it has to do with other deals and with the lec's and other things like.
no, the fcc said that there could be 1 more big deal that could go through, but if there would be any others it would be difficult to pass. like sprint and nextel is ok, but if there is another deal like tmobile and cingular/att wireless or if the regional players all buy out each other. things like that.
this will be approved with flying colors.
no, the fcc said that there could be 1 more big deal that could go through, but if there would be any others it would be difficult to pass. like sprint and nextel is ok, but if there is another deal like tmobile and cingular/att wireless or if the regional players all buy out each other. things like that.
this will be approved with flying colors.
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Michael Powell is resigning because he wants to resign. I know he just wanted it to be effective after he finished with several tasks that were yet to be resolved based on a recent interview.
I would read the brief regarding the approval of the deal again. Pretty clear that any future deals would be highly scrutinized and automatic approval not granted as you state.
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FC ... »
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http://www.fcc.gov/transaction/cingular-att_wireless ... » and select "Order"
Section VIII - Conclusion Paragraph 270
270. We emphasize that our judgment in this matter does not mean that our analysis would be the same if additional consolidation in this sector were to be proposed in the fu...
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I would read the brief regarding the approval of the deal again. Pretty clear that any future deals would be highly scrutinized and automatic approval not granted as you state.
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FC ... »
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http://www.fcc.gov/transaction/cingular-att_wireless ... » and select "Order"
Section VIII - Conclusion Paragraph 270
270. We emphasize that our judgment in this matter does not mean that our analysis would be the same if additional consolidation in this sector were to be proposed in the fu...
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Remember, you are dealing with someone that claims that Q-Chat will rule the PTT world even though the earliest it will be released is in 2007.
What will end up happening is that if the FCC gives this merger a problem then you will see a huge lawsuit claiming that Cingular was given an unfair opportunity and that the FCC favored them while blocking future mergers.
This country needs to have less little crappy cell companies and allow three to five companies through mergers. This would be in the best interest of the consumer and companies involved.
What will end up happening is that if the FCC gives this merger a problem then you will see a huge lawsuit claiming that Cingular was given an unfair opportunity and that the FCC favored them while blocking future mergers.
This country needs to have less little crappy cell companies and allow three to five companies through mergers. This would be in the best interest of the consumer and companies involved.
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bigdaddyjay said:Screw that. Give me regional carriers interconnected by roaming agreements. I'm all about mom and pop.
Remember, you are dealing with someone that claims that Q-Chat will rule the PTT world even though the earliest it will be released is in 2007.
What will end up happening is that if the FCC gives this merger a problem then you will see a huge lawsuit claiming that Cingular was given an unfair opportunity and that the FCC favored them while blocking future mergers.
This country needs to have less little crappy cell companies and allow three to five companies through mergers. This would be in the best interest of the consumer and companies involved.
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muchdrama said:...bigdaddyjay said:Screw that. Give me regional carriers interconnected by roaming agreements. I'm all about mom and po
Remember, you are dealing with someone that claims that Q-Chat will rule the PTT world even though the earliest it will be released is in 2007.
What will end up happening is that if the FCC gives this merger a problem then you will see a huge lawsuit claiming that Cingular was given an unfair opportunity and that the FCC favored them while blocking future mergers.
This country needs to have less little crappy cell companies and allow three to five companies through mergers. This would be in the best interest of the consumer and companies involved.
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MarkF said:...muchdrama said:bigdaddyjay said:Screw that. Give me regional carriers interconnected by roaming agre
Remember, you are dealing with someone that claims that Q-Chat will rule the PTT world even though the earliest it will be released is in 2007.
What will end up happening is that if the FCC gives this merger a problem then you will see a huge lawsuit claiming that Cingular was given an unfair opportunity and that the FCC favored them while blocking future mergers.
This country needs to have less little crappy cell companies and allow three to five companies through mergers. This would be in the best interest of the consumer and companies involved.
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I believe the end result will have 4 companies in each market. That will suffice to allow adequate competition and a reasonable return on the current and future infrastructure investments made by the carriers.
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