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CDMA equipment sales lag while GSM gets boost

Anxiovert

Aug 25, 2006, 10:20 AM
Since most countries in South America are switching from CDMA to GSM due to international roaming capabilities... It's taking a toll on CDMA sales. The funny thing is that most of these countries (Colombia, Peru, Venezuela, Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil) had their EV-DO up and running and almost complete. Now, they are deploying GSM on the 850MHz band and eventually will switch everyone to GSM. 🤣 🤣 🤣

http://www.rcrnews.com/news.cms?newsId=27163 »
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renardlee

Aug 25, 2006, 11:28 PM
GO GSM!!!!!!!!! 2billion strong!, against, sumthing sumthing millon weak
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sangyup81

Aug 26, 2006, 10:03 AM
It could also be political because CDMA is viewed as a US-originated standard while GSM is European in origin.
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chainsaw

Aug 26, 2006, 10:25 AM
wow its like ferrari vs. ford, or BMW vs. buick. IDK which one I would choose!!
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Anxiovert

Aug 26, 2006, 10:42 AM
sangyup81 said:
It could also be political because CDMA is viewed as a US-originated standard while GSM is European in origin.


Yeah! Hugo Chavez said f*** CDMA! 😡
Let's go GSM!!! 😉 j/k

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sangyup81

Aug 26, 2006, 11:19 AM
haha it's probably true
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incognitoool

Aug 26, 2006, 2:43 PM
Hey, gsm is so much better.
Throughout the years I've used TDMA, CDMA and now GSM. I'm sorry I wasn't using gsm years ago, cause cdma is terrible with voice quality. GSM is so close to land-line quality. Even with one bar of reception, gsm is clear. One bar with CDMA (verizon) was terrible.
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Anxiovert

Aug 26, 2006, 6:13 PM
When did you switch?
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Shadow30092

Aug 26, 2006, 7:40 PM
Cingular is great when they are using the 850 band, but where they have ****ed up at is deploying the 1900 band. I do agree that cingular does fine when using the 850 band and the call quality sounds more clearer than a CDMA phone. But people better watch out because they are deploying the 1900 band in all major cities and that is where they are ****in up. But which would I choose? Clearer call or dependability? I would go with dependability(CDMA). ALL THE WAY. And Im sure in a life or death situation you would choose dependability as well
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crackberry

Aug 26, 2006, 10:06 PM
what the f()ck are you talking about. a majority of markets are 1900. you are way out of line guy. don't spread false rumors.
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Anxiovert

Aug 27, 2006, 12:50 AM
Dude! you obviously have no clue of what you're talking about. Please be quiet! Verizon uses the 1900 band just as much as Cingular does. The only difference is that 850 goes through walls better than the 1900 does. Don't embarrass yourself like this, it is pathetic!
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Shadow30092

Aug 27, 2006, 7:57 AM
They havent deployed the 1900 in all major markets yet as they have planned to, dumb ass..........
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Bigbmc26

Aug 27, 2006, 10:19 AM
you really have no idea what you're talking about. most major market new sites other than the Carolina's and California are 850 markets, not 1900. where did you get all this false information? 😕
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Shadow30092

Aug 27, 2006, 8:18 PM
I got this info from www.mobiledia.com ya know that have a website that tells you the name of the towers here is a copy paste for ya if you want for tower info just tell me again I dont know what I am talking about



Here is the info for that tower, this info was copyed from www.mobiledia.com

Structure Type: Pole

Location
Lat / Long: 33.950833
-84.500556
Street: 1770 Lower Roswell Rd.
City, State: Marietta, GA

Height
Overall Height Above Ground: 46.6 m
Overall Height Above Ground w/o Appurtenances: 45.1 m
Elevation of Site Above Mean Sea Level: 326.7 m
Overall Height Above Mean Sea Level: 373.3 m

Information
Owner: Smile New Cingular Wireless Pcs, LLC Smile
Attention To: Fcc Group
5601 Legacy Drive, Ms: A-...
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Shadow30092

Aug 27, 2006, 8:24 PM
copy and pasted from http://www.cellreception.com/towers/details.p hp?id=1214155

Antenna Structure
Structure Type: Free standing or guyed structure

Location
Lat / Long: 33.949194
-84.549667
Street: 124 Atlanta St.
City, State: Marietta, GA

Height
Overall Height Above Ground: 30.5 m
Overall Height Above Ground w/o Appurtenances: 30.5 m
Elevation of Site Above Mean Sea Level: 345.6 m
Overall Height Above Mean Sea Level: 376.1 m

Information
Owner: New Cingular Wireless Pcs, LLC
Attention To: Fcc Group
5601 Legacy Group, Ms: A-3
P.O. Box
Plano, TX 75024
Contact: Kellye E Abernathy
5601 Legacy Group, Ms: A-3
Plano, TX 75024
Phone: 4692297422
Email: kellye (DOT) e (DOT) abernathy (AT) cingular (DOT) com...
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Shadow30092

Aug 27, 2006, 8:26 PM
copy and paste from http://www.cellreception.com/towers/details.p hp?id=1207906

Antenna Structure
Structure Type: Free standing or guyed structure

Location
Lat / Long: 33.937889
-84.557722
Street: 155 Heathersett Dr.
City, State: Marietta, GA

Height
Overall Height Above Ground: 33.5 m
Overall Height Above Ground w/o Appurtenances: 32.9 m
Elevation of Site Above Mean Sea Level: 356.6 m
Overall Height Above Mean Sea Level: 390.1 m

Information
Owner: New Cingular Wireless Pcs, LLC
Attention To: Fcc Group
5601 Legacy Drive, Ms: A-3
P.O. Box
Plano, TX 75024
Contact: Kellye E Abernathy
5601 Legacy Drive, Ms: A-3
Plano, TX 75024
Phone: 4692297422
Email: kellye (DOT) e (DOT) abernathy (AT) cingular (DOT) ...
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Bigbmc26

Aug 27, 2006, 8:36 PM
www.mobiledia.com? www.cellreception.com? Dude, I'm an RF engineer for cingular. I could careless what you find on external sites. I know what really happens in the company I work for and in my department. 🤣

ps:Stupid doesn't have an e in it. Dumb Ass!! 🤣
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Shadow30092

Aug 27, 2006, 8:46 PM
www.cellreception.com get there tower info directly from the FCC. Now lets see. Who do I want to trust FCC or Cingular????? Damn that a hard question!!! I think I would choose FCC. Im sorry my typing is a little off. What more can you expect my friends cingular pda can do. I think it is Cingular 8125. The only thing I would even consider using on this phone is the WIFI. Gotta love Starbucks for free WIFI
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sangyup81

Aug 27, 2006, 8:54 PM
........

did you just say Starbucks has free wi-fi?
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Bigbmc26

Aug 27, 2006, 8:55 PM
you do know that none of the info you posted lists the frequency of the site. 🤣 you still haven't made a point? 😕 it only lists site location. can you please find some real info.
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Shadow30092

Aug 27, 2006, 9:02 PM
ITS SAYS NEW CINGULAR WIRELESS PCS. NOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT PCS IS REFERED TO. NONE OTHER THAN 1900 BAND OF COURSE!!! SORRY ABOUT THE STARBUCK THING I KNOW THEY HAVE WIFI AND I thought he was using it because the pda is connected to his laptop but he said he is using cingular's 3g service.
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sangyup81

Aug 27, 2006, 9:06 PM
fyi, starbucks wi-fi = t-mobile Hot Spot = not free at all
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sangyup81

Aug 27, 2006, 9:07 PM
There are no PDA Phones with Cingular 3G service. The only 3G capable devices are a few laptop cards and the LG CU500.
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Shadow30092

Aug 27, 2006, 9:09 PM
He calles Edge 3g. By the way he wants to know if there are any 3g pda's comming to cingular? But as far as as the FCC things about the towers goes. You know I am right about that.
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Shadow30092

Aug 27, 2006, 9:11 PM
And the cingular PCS towers
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Bigbmc26

Aug 27, 2006, 9:16 PM
you do know that a 1900 site can have 850 as well? probable not because you're not an rf engineer for anyone. post some real info if you can find it, but you won't cause it doesn't exist! 🤣
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Bigbmc26

Aug 27, 2006, 9:12 PM
Dude, Every Cingular site that is on that site is listed that way, even the old ones. Plus all sites aren't even listed. I work in the Carolina's market and half our sites aren't even on the map. Keep trying.
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Shadow30092

Aug 27, 2006, 9:16 PM
What do you mean????

I have to go, but we can continue this chat tomorrow.
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Bigbmc26

Aug 27, 2006, 9:30 PM
i have a master site list of all 2783 sites we have on air in the carolina's. half of them aren't listed on your beard and butter site! all sites read NEW CINGULAR WIRELESS PCS LLC. that's could be just how the FCC filed them. that doesn't mean it's a new site on air. how do i know you ask? because i just checked on of the sites here in the carolina's and it reads the same thing and has been on air since november on 1999.
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Shadow30092

Aug 28, 2006, 6:15 AM
When cingular started they were all pcs at the time. Maybe they have always had PCS there. But my point is that they are planning to leave just the 850 band to rural areas. Thus having the same problem as t-mobile has with just using the 1900 band. I do have another question about cingular that you might be able to ask. Why does Cingular have the most FCC complaintes, I would assume that a smaller carriers like Sprint or T-mobile would have more FCC complaints because with there roaming policy and their extensive roaming list to provice decent coverage, but not a company as big as cingular.
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crackberry

Aug 28, 2006, 7:19 AM
No they were not. When Cingular 'started' they had both... PCS is not just for GSM, it's also for CDMA... BellSouth Mobility DCS had the first multi state GSM network in the Carolinas, that was PCS, but when all the companies became Cingular, they had both. Remember Cingular was formed by a bunch of other companies coming together and most of them had 850 only. And they are NOT planning on leaving 850 to just rural areas. The network Cingular and T-Mobile created jointly out in California is not being used by Cingular currently since it gained the entire area in 850 when they took over AT&T Wireless. Right now, most 850 spectrum they have is being utilized by the TDMA network it is still maintaining. Once that goes away, the transition to us...
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Shadow30092

Aug 28, 2006, 8:15 AM
You still did not answer my question. Why does Cingular have the most FCC complaints. When I was talking about why other carriers did not have more FCC complaints was because of there roaming policy and extensive roaming. You know sprint and T-mobile especially Sprint have more roaming than they do there own network or at least Sprint does anyways. And both of there roaming policies state that if you use half of you minutes with in a 3-month billing cycle than they have the right to terminate you account. Well unless you are on a major interstate or road or in a fairly populated city then you will be roaming alot. Ok, now why would people not call and make complaints to the FCC about that then about cingular. Now back to my question, NOW WHY...
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ralph_on_me

Aug 28, 2006, 8:45 AM
Because they have the most customers. You can have one company with 10 customers and 9 of them complain. Another company has 1000 customers and 10 of them complain. Oh no! The larger company has more complaints.

Take off your caps lock.
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Shadow30092

Aug 28, 2006, 9:32 AM
What get the customers so angry that they have to call the FCC to begin with?
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crackberry

Aug 28, 2006, 10:30 AM
I DID TELL YOU......... BECAUSE OF BILLING ISSUES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Anxiovert

Aug 28, 2006, 9:52 AM
FCC complaints were network and billing related. These complaints, Shadow30092; have dropped by 53 percent as network integration continues... Did you read our Q2 results? It's all there. Customers don't complaint as much as they used to.
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texaswireless

Aug 28, 2006, 11:10 AM
Where are you getting this stuff?
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texaswireless

Aug 28, 2006, 10:16 AM
So because one site in one city says they have 1900 mHz (which by the way no one has countered that they do not have some 1900 mHz) you turn that into they are deploying it in every major city in the USA?

Here is a little research project for you, since you take the word of the FCC as fact (which, again, those sites are not the FCC but that is for another argument),

Look up on the FCC website who owns the different licenses for every major city. What you will find is that in some cities Cingular owns both 850 and 1900 mHz. In most cities they own ONLY 850 mHz and in a small few markets they own only 1900 mHz.

What it looks like to me is that you are taking a small sample of data and applying it nationwide. Carriers cannot buy spe...
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Shadow30092

Aug 28, 2006, 11:26 AM
OK when I called Cingular a few days ago and was having to pay some past due charges on my old account to pass time while we waited for my debit card to run through, I asked him about the 1900 towers and if they had any more plans of deploying them in any other cities besides ATL and some other major cities. He said what he had been told was that they are planning to empower the 1900 band in all major cities. I was also told that the reason that they were doing that is because the towers for the 1900 band were cheaper to fix in case anything should happen to them. Also was planning to leave 850 for just rural area because its range span was alot greater than that of the 1900 band. That was what I was told by a rep. Now if cingular reps lie t...
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texaswireless

Aug 28, 2006, 11:29 AM
????

OK, no offense guy but you just really made yourself look foolish. You took the word of some random customer care rep (or collections rep) and accepted it as gold yet when countless others told you that was incorrect you said you believe the FCC instead of them.

Did I just about sum up your general stance?
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Shadow30092

Aug 28, 2006, 2:15 PM
First, I found that info about the 1900 band towers being in ATL and other cities as well from that website. I had to call cingular anyways that day as you know. I asked him if they had any more plans about using the 1900 bands in any other cities. I did trust him on that one thing because that website said they get there registered tower location from the FCC. I guess it was my fault that I trusted cingular in the first place. You have just taught me never to believe what any rep that works for cingular says. Thank you!!!! I will be sure to take that in heavy consideration in the future should I ever if ever do business with them again.
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texaswireless

Aug 30, 2006, 1:23 PM
I'm sure what the rep told you on the phone was an accurate answer as to what he thought you were asking. It was a very technical question and could be interpreted in many ways.

If you are basing your info off third party sites, etc. just don't get so defensive when someone here corrects the info. Many people here try to offer information or correct others misinformation, there is too much of it going around sometimes.
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huhwhat

Aug 30, 2006, 1:09 PM
When did you become an RF Engineer? Seriously? I thought you were an RSC in Greensboro?
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Bigbmc26

Aug 30, 2006, 1:11 PM
i switched to the rf position back in feb. and moved to charlotte, 😁
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