cingular's 1st, 2nd and 3rd quarter numbers for 2005
Cingular=
1st quarter= 1.4 million
2nd quarter= 1.07 million
3rd quarter= 867,000 customers
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any ideas for this downturn?
1st quarter= 1.4 million
2nd quarter= 1.07 million
3rd quarter= 867,000 customers
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any ideas for this downturn?
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I think it's advertising. People buy the hype they hear or see, and there hasn't been much from Cingy.
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what about integration? i think that has posed the biggest problem for cingy.
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"Cingular has now converted nearly 6 million former AT&T Wireless subscribers to new Cingular plans as customers continued to respond positively to Cingular's broad network coverage and innovative products and services"
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"Cingular has now converted nearly 6 million former AT&T Wireless subscribers to new Cingular plans as customers continued to respond positively to Cingular's broad network coverage and innovative products and services"
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I think that affects revenue more than net ads. The more people we can convert over, the less Cingy loses on the ATTWS price plans. Bringing in new people shouldn't have much to do with the integration though.
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well if it affects revenue it will affect net adds. the more adds the more revenue.
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nextel18 said:
well if it affects revenue it will affect net adds. the more adds the more revenue.
No it won't, and that entire statement made no sense at all.
Adds affect revenue, revenue does not affect adds.
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of course it does... the more ads you have the more revenue you get . the less ads you get the lesser revenue you get.
(unless arpu is wayyy up)
(unless arpu is wayyy up)
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nextel18 said:
well if it affects revenue it will affect net adds.
Read that again. Revenue does not affect net adds because net adds are independent of revenue. 😉
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nextel18 said:
well if it affects revenue it will affect net adds. the more adds the more revenue.
True, but the revenue per user will only change slightly. The quickest way to get the RPU up is to get people off old plans. The adds by themselves won't change it as much.
We were just talking about the net ads, right? We had less than a million this quarter and I think that's because we're not throwing out large campaigns like other companies. The commercials I see and hear are more artistic than grandiose, which other companies make big bold statements about how much better they are than anyone else. I think people buy into that.
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interesting perspective.
the problem is, in the future, arpu for voice will start to go down, which means you will offset it with data arpu. so far, data arpu with cingular has been increasing but it needs to increase more and more as voice arpu starts to go down. (by the way this is with every carrier)
well i am looking at arpu and subscribers also...
the problem is, in the future, arpu for voice will start to go down, which means you will offset it with data arpu. so far, data arpu with cingular has been increasing but it needs to increase more and more as voice arpu starts to go down. (by the way this is with every carrier)
well i am looking at arpu and subscribers also...
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I think data rpu will go up naturally as "mobile phones" become personal data devices. All we have to do is look at Japan to see how integrated it's become in their every day life. I'm fairly sure that with time our country will be the same.
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Well data arpu will have to go up to offset the voice arpu declining. I mean that is a given, but whether they will all go up is questionable because if the top 3 all have higher speed data and the other ones don’t then one cant say that those lower carriers’ data arpu will go up.
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oh come on.. i dont mean it that way.. i just want some sound opinions for why cingular isnt doing so hot for the last 3 quarters. (especially this quarter becuase they missed analysts expecations of subscriber growth.)
so any ideas?
so any ideas?
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Subscriber growth is down, but ARPU and profitibility is going up. My own opinion regarding the net sub adds, Cingular is not interested in leading - our rate plans have become carbon copies of verizon, with only rollover as the distinguishing feature. That's disappointing, we aren't leading in that sense, we are following.
Secondly, you keep harping about integration as being this huge issue. It's not. We have 40,000 + cell sites. At the same time we are integrating them to emit a unified network code, we are also upgrading to UMTS. The majority of this work is being done between midnight and 5 am. AWS phones still pick up whatever tower is giving it signal, dropped calls haven't really increased based on almost 1 year's worth of taking ...
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Secondly, you keep harping about integration as being this huge issue. It's not. We have 40,000 + cell sites. At the same time we are integrating them to emit a unified network code, we are also upgrading to UMTS. The majority of this work is being done between midnight and 5 am. AWS phones still pick up whatever tower is giving it signal, dropped calls haven't really increased based on almost 1 year's worth of taking ...
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"Subscriber growth is down, but ARPU and profitibility is going up"
voice arpu will start to go down though... subscriber growth needs to pick up to improve net income into the future.
"Secondly, you keep harping about integration as being this huge issue. It's not. "
it is.. integration can cause tons of trouble for a customer. that is i think one of the reasons why cingular's quarter 1 through quarter 3 numbers are declining.
"You sit there and stare at numbers and read news reports and think you have a handle on what's going on. You don't"
i look at other things then news reports...
"But if we want to be a leader in this industry, we have to stop chasing Verizon and start innovating."
this i agree with .
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voice arpu will start to go down though... subscriber growth needs to pick up to improve net income into the future.
"Secondly, you keep harping about integration as being this huge issue. It's not. "
it is.. integration can cause tons of trouble for a customer. that is i think one of the reasons why cingular's quarter 1 through quarter 3 numbers are declining.
"You sit there and stare at numbers and read news reports and think you have a handle on what's going on. You don't"
i look at other things then news reports...
"But if we want to be a leader in this industry, we have to stop chasing Verizon and start innovating."
this i agree with .
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nextel18 said:
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subscriber growth
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1st quarter= 1.4 million
2nd quarter= 1.07 million
3rd quarter= 867,000 customers
from 1st quarter to 2nd it did increase but from 2nd quarter to 3rd quarter it has decreased.
Uh, you might want to look at that again.
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How the heck did you take a comment about improvement in customer service scores and network enhancements, and say it's not true because net adds are down? What kind of counter argument is that? That's like me saying my favorite color is blue and you countering that's wrong, because it's 7.
"integration can cause tons of trouble for a customer. that is i think one of the reasons why cingular's quarter 1 through quarter 3 numbers are declining" - You know the primary symptom of network integration? a roaming indicator icon on older motorola, samsung, LG and blackberry phones. Sometimes the phone doesn't know what name to display on the alpha tag, so instead of reading Cingular, it says US411. That is the primary impact. You THINK integra...
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"integration can cause tons of trouble for a customer. that is i think one of the reasons why cingular's quarter 1 through quarter 3 numbers are declining" - You know the primary symptom of network integration? a roaming indicator icon on older motorola, samsung, LG and blackberry phones. Sometimes the phone doesn't know what name to display on the alpha tag, so instead of reading Cingular, it says US411. That is the primary impact. You THINK integra...
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First-quarter net adds total 554,000= 2004
Second-quarter net adds total 428,000= 2004
posts 657,000 net= 2004 3rd quarter
1.8 million pro forma = 2004 4th quarter.. (when att wireless completed buyout so this included att wireless' numbers)
3.4 million for the year 2004 which includes the purchase of att wireless in quarter 4 of 2004
1.6 million going into the 4th quarter of 2004.
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full-year net adds total 2.1 million in 2003 for cingular (pre att wireless)
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Second-quarter net adds total 428,000= 2004
posts 657,000 net= 2004 3rd quarter
1.8 million pro forma = 2004 4th quarter.. (when att wireless completed buyout so this included att wireless' numbers)
3.4 million for the year 2004 which includes the purchase of att wireless in quarter 4 of 2004
1.6 million going into the 4th quarter of 2004.
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full-year net adds total 2.1 million in 2003 for cingular (pre att wireless)
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nextel18 said:
Cingular=
1st quarter= 1.4 million
2nd quarter= 1.07 million
3rd quarter= 867,000 customers
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any ideas for this downturn?
Wow. I really thought Cingular was doin' better than that.
If they're goin' down like that, then who's stealin' their lunch money?
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I think it is a few things.
1. advertising has been a little bit down and I don’t think they have been advertising to their strengths
2. the integration process are having lots of problems
3. Verizon wireless and the new sprint are doing quite well.
1. advertising has been a little bit down and I don’t think they have been advertising to their strengths
2. the integration process are having lots of problems
3. Verizon wireless and the new sprint are doing quite well.
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I don't think it was anything Cingular did wrong. I think you will see other carriers going down as well. It's a guess mind you, but with many people struggling to pay for food because of gas prices and expensive SUVs, the cell phone may have become something they could live without. That's my guess anyway. I know many people will say it is backlash from poor customer service or internal changes to their process, but I think everyone is feeling the crunch. Besides none of my friends that use Cingular complain about poor customer service. So, it may not be as bad as people keep harping on. You get bad customer service in every industry.
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Networks are about equal in the real world.
VZW has neater TV ads.
Cingular C/S is a farking joke.
BTW Cingular: I still want the $29.99 you owe me.
VZW has neater TV ads.
Cingular C/S is a farking joke.
BTW Cingular: I still want the $29.99 you owe me.
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Networks are equal? Hmm. Then why Verizon signs up more then Cingular?
Neater ads or ads that are more accurate?
Neater ads or ads that are more accurate?
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I am surprised by this Nextel18. Haven't you ever heard of a pullback in marketing?
The goal of ANY company is to make money. Pissing contests are a side issue mainly discussed by people like you.
Data ARPU is increasing, Voice ARPU is still better than average, Churn is being reduced and their profitability is going up.
I see the changes internally. They want to clean stuff up. They are thinking long term, not short term (quarter to quarter). In a year when everything is nice and clean and streamlined they can re-focus on adds as well as quality. Being on the outside you do not see the restrictions they are placing on distribution. For good quality agents the changes had already been i
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