Interesting with push to talk over iden, 1xrtt, ptt over gprs (poc), and rev a
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Cingular will be the KING of PTT
Cingular will bring PTT to the main stream like know other carrier was able to do.
MARK MY WORDS
Cingular will bring PTT to the main stream like know other carrier was able to do.
MARK MY WORDS
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how do you figure?
(7 seconds of set up calling isnt good my friend)
what is the duration for your opinion? (1 year, 3 years 5 years? etc..)
have you forgotten about qchat?
(7 seconds of set up calling isnt good my friend)
what is the duration for your opinion? (1 year, 3 years 5 years? etc..)
have you forgotten about qchat?
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it aint no seven seconds Nextel, it has all ready proven to be faster then nextel,and verizon.
STOP doing google searches and believing every stupid article you come across.
Have you seen cingulars ptt in action?
Have you timed it compared to others?
Have you had the oppurtunity to field test it?
NO
NO
NO NEXTEL, you have no friggin idea what you speak
STOP doing google searches and believing every stupid article you come across.
Have you seen cingulars ptt in action?
Have you timed it compared to others?
Have you had the oppurtunity to field test it?
NO
NO
NO NEXTEL, you have no friggin idea what you speak
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Where did you hear 7 seconds??
It is going to be .5 seconds between "Push" and "Talk". Cingular will share the top spot with Nextell, BUT Cingular will be faster once teh call is set up!
Cingular is going to offer so much more that the other companies do...
1) Availability: ONLY Cingular offers you their customers to change their availability (Do not disturb, silent/vibrate)
2) Convert to Cellular: ONLY Cingular offers you to convert your PPT to a cellular call.
3: Voice messages: ONLY Cingular offers you to leave a voice message when the person you are trying to reach is not available.
4: Call Waiting on PTT: ONLY Cingular
5) Groups: ONLY Cingular allows you to program your own groups. Via your handset or website.
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It is going to be .5 seconds between "Push" and "Talk". Cingular will share the top spot with Nextell, BUT Cingular will be faster once teh call is set up!
Cingular is going to offer so much more that the other companies do...
1) Availability: ONLY Cingular offers you their customers to change their availability (Do not disturb, silent/vibrate)
2) Convert to Cellular: ONLY Cingular offers you to convert your PPT to a cellular call.
3: Voice messages: ONLY Cingular offers you to leave a voice message when the person you are trying to reach is not available.
4: Call Waiting on PTT: ONLY Cingular
5) Groups: ONLY Cingular allows you to program your own groups. Via your handset or website.
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the 7 seconds was on this forum actually. (that is the set up call which is too much in my view)
1. interesting
2. now that is cool.
3. actually sprint-nextel has next mail.
4. call waiting isnt needed
5. groups? you can do that with sprint-nextel too.
i think it is better with 2 seperate numbers. gives privacy.
1. interesting
2. now that is cool.
3. actually sprint-nextel has next mail.
4. call waiting isnt needed
5. groups? you can do that with sprint-nextel too.
i think it is better with 2 seperate numbers. gives privacy.
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The seven seconds for the initial set up was the maximum duration to set up the call. The minimum is around two seconds and the average is three to four seconds.
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actually it is... we saw what happend to sprint and verizon and their latency was about the same... the ideal is around sub second to 1 second. if you hav a latency of 3+ seconds its just better to just call them by using mobile to mobile.
http://wirelessreview.com/business/wireless_nextel_b ... »
what donahue said... (in 2003)
"“Our Direct Connect users have certain expectations for quality,” Donahue said. “They will not tolerate two or three seconds of latency. They want no more than one second.”
All in all, Donahue is dismisses the potential that several other carriers may be poised to usurp one of Nextel's key advantages. Pointing out that carriers have been talking about the push-to-talk issue for years without so mu...
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http://wirelessreview.com/business/wireless_nextel_b ... »
what donahue said... (in 2003)
"“Our Direct Connect users have certain expectations for quality,” Donahue said. “They will not tolerate two or three seconds of latency. They want no more than one second.”
All in all, Donahue is dismisses the potential that several other carriers may be poised to usurp one of Nextel's key advantages. Pointing out that carriers have been talking about the push-to-talk issue for years without so mu...
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The time it takes for the PTT to set up is not latency. Latency is between chirps, and Cingular's is faster than Nextel's. Obviously customers wouldn't tolerate anything more than one second latency, which is why Verizon's PTT did so bad.
Plus, I don't know about you but the average phone call connection time is going to be a lot longer than 3 or 4 seconds considering it has to connect and then ring until somebody answers the phone. With PTT both ends can make the connection with the push of a button.
Don't try and pull things over that are totally irrelevent to what is being discussed. You'll get hit every time.
Plus, I don't know about you but the average phone call connection time is going to be a lot longer than 3 or 4 seconds considering it has to connect and then ring until somebody answers the phone. With PTT both ends can make the connection with the push of a button.
Don't try and pull things over that are totally irrelevent to what is being discussed. You'll get hit every time.
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lol. set up latency does exist and it will hurt a product if that exceeds what everyone wants which is why sprint and verizon's products were so horrible.
set up calling is perfectly relevant my friend.
set up calling is perfectly relevant my friend.
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nextel18 said:
the 7 seconds was on this forum actually. (that is the set up call which is too much in my view)
1. interesting
2. now that is cool.
3. actually sprint-nextel has next mail.
4. call waiting isn't needed
5. groups? you can do that with sprint-nextel too.
i think it is better with 2 seperate numbers. gives privacy.
To set up groups on Sprint-Nextel you have to either call customer service and have them set it up or via a web site. Correct? Well with Cingular you do not have to go through customer service. You set up your groups yourself (handset or website). You can also "create" quick groups from contacts within your phone book for a one time conversations.
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correct. i dont think that whole group process is a big deal if they have to call up customer care or do it online.
i didnt mean that way with privacy. i meant that 1 number is a bit bad becuase others can just 2 way you becuase its the same number with 2 seperate numbers its easy and that gives you privacy.
yea i know the interface i am just saying about speed since thats what its about.
what about data arpu? sprint-nextel leads in that category you think what cingular will offer along with their push to talk service will entice people to go to them? (just curious)
did you also check qchat?
i didnt mean that way with privacy. i meant that 1 number is a bit bad becuase others can just 2 way you becuase its the same number with 2 seperate numbers its easy and that gives you privacy.
yea i know the interface i am just saying about speed since thats what its about.
what about data arpu? sprint-nextel leads in that category you think what cingular will offer along with their push to talk service will entice people to go to them? (just curious)
did you also check qchat?
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Who cares whos PTT solution is better. Fact of the matter is is that this is a too little too late scenario. Nextel has had PTT for years and everyone is just now starting to jump on the bandwagon. Anyone who wants PTT has jumped over to Nextel already or will when they want it because that is what they are known for. Its Nextel's bread and butter. Cingular's solution will be very good but theyre really going to have to market it very well for it to surpass Nextel. Besides theyre releasing 2 mid-level phones with their PTT. What are they going to do about people who have expensive phones but want PTT?
All in all, Cingulars PTT will be very good but they wont ever beat out Nextel. The only way it can is if Cingular starts to include PTT on...
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uNt0uChAbLe said:
All in all, Cingulars PTT will be very good but they wont ever beat out Nextel. The only way it can is if Cingular starts to include PTT on every single phone they come out with from now on and market the hell out of it. Its all about the marketing.
I think that's the ultimate goal. Kodiak's solution makes for a very easy addon to the phone. I think the only phone hardware required would be a button. The rest is all siftware from what I understand. There are two phones going to support it at launch. A samsung and an LG I belive. The new nokia 6682 also has a PTT feature, so an sofware download wouldn't be out of the question for it either. I think Cingular's PTT will be a big benefit to...
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nextel18 said:
i didn't mean that way with privacy. i meant that 1 number is a bit bad because others can just 2 way you because its the same number with 2 separate numbers its easy and that gives you privacy.
You can't just PTT someone, they actually have to have given you permission via their phone.
Say Jack tries to add Jill's number to his PTT list. Jill's phone will ask Jill if it's all right for Jack to add her to his PTT list. Jill either says yes, or no at this point. Jack will be unable to PTT Jill until she has either accepted, said no, or blocked Jack entirely. Now that's privacy, because even through it's hard, it's not impossible to guess a DCN (I did it all time in High School), and...
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Nextel 18 there was actually a link someone posted either here or over in howardsforum that was from kodiaks website and they did have a comparison proving cingulars to be the fastest.
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i know that kodiak's solution is fast, but when it goes onto a gsm network it goes a bit slower, and that is what happened to sprint and verizon's solution. it was fast independant but when it went onto their network the latency increased.
we will have to see when its actually released onto the marketplace and we will all try it.
we will have to see when its actually released onto the marketplace and we will all try it.
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I agree with you real world tests will be the deciding factor so I guess we will all just wait and see.
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😳 Actuall your dorkness it's 1.5 seconds. And since only cable repairmen use qchat...who really gives a damn about it 🙄
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http://www.kodiaknetworks.com/news_events/pdf/Yankee ... »
"With a real-time-exchange (RTX), a proprietary system based on softswitch, inside the carrier’s core network, a
handset with Kodiak P2T client software can establish a session in 2 to 5 seconds. Call latency is less than 200 ms
once the session is established. Kodiak’s P2T solution also offers a network-based address book that includes
presence information."
page 4 out of 4 is very nice...
kodiak's platform does lead with intra calling over nextel's, but will that happen when it hits the gsm network?
"With a real-time-exchange (RTX), a proprietary system based on softswitch, inside the carrier’s core network, a
handset with Kodiak P2T client software can establish a session in 2 to 5 seconds. Call latency is less than 200 ms
once the session is established. Kodiak’s P2T solution also offers a network-based address book that includes
presence information."
page 4 out of 4 is very nice...
kodiak's platform does lead with intra calling over nextel's, but will that happen when it hits the gsm network?
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http://www.kodiaknetworks.com/solutions/KodiakOvervi ... »
"Kodiak’s RTX System sets a new benchmark for short intra-call voice latency — only 150 milliseconds,
compared to between 2.5 seconds to 3 seconds for competing P2T technologies."
page 4 is good too.
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but the problem is.... like i said before will it do well on the gsm network? we know that sprint and verizon's push to talk was horrible but they were good solutions on their own. (i think it was motorola's push to talk solution)
"Kodiak’s RTX System sets a new benchmark for short intra-call voice latency — only 150 milliseconds,
compared to between 2.5 seconds to 3 seconds for competing P2T technologies."
page 4 is good too.
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but the problem is.... like i said before will it do well on the gsm network? we know that sprint and verizon's push to talk was horrible but they were good solutions on their own. (i think it was motorola's push to talk solution)
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Yes, we know that it will do well when it hits the GSM network, because it already has. People have used it already and reported back that it is a very good solution. Why can't you just accept that?
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accept what? 2 people said it was good? we need more evidence.
i want it to be out on a nationwide scale to see the product live.
it already has? its not on cingular's web site. it is supposed to be in october time frame.
it will all come down to data products and 3-4 seconds set up call latency.. we shall see..
i want it to be out on a nationwide scale to see the product live.
it already has? its not on cingular's web site. it is supposed to be in october time frame.
it will all come down to data products and 3-4 seconds set up call latency.. we shall see..
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nextel18 said:
it will all come down to data products and 3-4 seconds set up call latency.. we shall see..
You'll never notice the setup time. Like I said in my review of it, it chirps for you within a second, then records and transmits whatever you say, and once you're usually done talking, it's already setup and ready to go. Plus you have the added benefit of already knowing the other person is available, so no more "Bill, you there?" "Yeah Will I'm here." "OK, here's whatever I was going to say now". You can just start out saying it, because you already know via the icon in your PTT directory that they are available. The only time you're going to notice the setup time is if you're standing the same ro...
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Here is a common converation i have with nextel subscribers. They are interested in the ptt( I sell VZW) and often begin the converation with i am so ticked at nextel or i hate nextel. Does Verizon have ptt(yes we do)? Does it work with Nextel(no it doesn't) WEll neverimnid then, I still get many of them to convert their service over, but if the ptt does not work with all their buddies still on nextel then there is no real point in having it unless they are buying multiple phones. Even when purchasing multiple phones their is an addtional charge for the ptt service and when you get free mobile to mobile it seems silly to a lot of people to pay extra for it. Nextel has to large of a subsriber base, and any serive that is not ptt compatible wi...
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