Question about ALLOVER network
I habitually read different Motorola phone reviews, cuz I like moto phones a lot and all and I stumbled across this interesting review, and I quote:
"First I am going to talk about GSM and the Cingular Network. The network itself has not changed since the merger of AT&T Wireless and Cingular. If you were BLUE or ORANGE - you still only connect primarily to BLUE or ORANGE towers. This is a common thing that Cingular itself has included all towers available to all it's customer's since the merger. NO--WRONG--and not even customer service knows this. The only state scheduled for testing of the ALL-OVER-Network is Mississippi starting in July (which will be referred to as the GOLD NETWORK). Just so you know that when they take all the BLUE / ...
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"First I am going to talk about GSM and the Cingular Network. The network itself has not changed since the merger of AT&T Wireless and Cingular. If you were BLUE or ORANGE - you still only connect primarily to BLUE or ORANGE towers. This is a common thing that Cingular itself has included all towers available to all it's customer's since the merger. NO--WRONG--and not even customer service knows this. The only state scheduled for testing of the ALL-OVER-Network is Mississippi starting in July (which will be referred to as the GOLD NETWORK). Just so you know that when they take all the BLUE / ...
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Here is the entire phone review, for source purposes:
Cingular Tech Employee
by madturnip Jun 10, 2005
This phone is a very good phone for the features that it offers customers, on the Cingular Network. I am going to try an explain the pros/cons of this phone -- as well as add some interesting side notes to the Cingular Network.
First I am going to talk about GSM and the Cingular Network. The network itself has not changed since the merger of AT&T Wireless and Cingular. If you were BLUE or ORANGE - you still only connect primarily to BLUE or ORANGE towers. This is a common thing that Cingular itself has included all towers available to all it's customer's since the merger. NO--WRONG--and not even customer service knows this. Th...
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Cingular Tech Employee
by madturnip Jun 10, 2005
This phone is a very good phone for the features that it offers customers, on the Cingular Network. I am going to try an explain the pros/cons of this phone -- as well as add some interesting side notes to the Cingular Network.
First I am going to talk about GSM and the Cingular Network. The network itself has not changed since the merger of AT&T Wireless and Cingular. If you were BLUE or ORANGE - you still only connect primarily to BLUE or ORANGE towers. This is a common thing that Cingular itself has included all towers available to all it's customer's since the merger. NO--WRONG--and not even customer service knows this. Th...
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"The Moto V551 - is the best phone I have ever owned". Wow! After that pretty much anything this person says or has said can be completely disregarded as total ignorant BS. Maybe it's the only phone he or she has ever owned which would make it the best, but from a Cingular Tech Employee? What a loser.
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The network is currently undergoing a complete integration, which started in the middle of June. They're anticipating that it should take approximately six months, but, as with everything, that is subject to change.
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I hope it takes no more than six months to complete. Cingular has taken upon a massive project by absorbing AT&T. I hope the customers will be patient enough for the final stages.
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Most of the work is being undertaken between the hours of midnight and 5 am. Customer impact, as far as my experience has been, has been relatively minimal. If anyone is having problems, they simply need to call customer care and have their phones manually re-programmed.
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my family has no signal problems, but if they do, I will refer them to customer care to have thier phones reprogrammed.
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HELP:
For a year I have been stranded in Cingular Hell. That's a place where everyone tells me something different.
I am a technically oriented customer. Not an employee.
I own two GAIT phones because they are the ONLY ones that work in many areas of the country. The UP of Michigan, US-93 North of Vegas etc.
But my problem is this: Here in the DC area the phone "sits" on a low 850mhz signal while superior signal is avaliable from the old ATT network. This makes calling madding unreliable.
How can my phone find the 1900mhz (Blue) first and the 850 second.
Any newer phone do that?
Thanks,
Greg
For a year I have been stranded in Cingular Hell. That's a place where everyone tells me something different.
I am a technically oriented customer. Not an employee.
I own two GAIT phones because they are the ONLY ones that work in many areas of the country. The UP of Michigan, US-93 North of Vegas etc.
But my problem is this: Here in the DC area the phone "sits" on a low 850mhz signal while superior signal is avaliable from the old ATT network. This makes calling madding unreliable.
How can my phone find the 1900mhz (Blue) first and the 850 second.
Any newer phone do that?
Thanks,
Greg
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That is an awesome question. Until network integration your phone looks for Orange towers first then second it goes to Blue towers. That has nothing to do wiith your phone. Your sim card profile is set to read or PLMN is set to read orange towers first. I could have that changed to blue for you. But if I did that swtich it would be permanaent until network integration is complete in your area. It is called load balancing and it is for severe causes of low singal and we have tired everything including new 64k sim cards. What has been tried 2 help u? Have u gotten a new sim card?
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Thanks for the information.
I did the following. Purchased a new Motorola V 551 because I was told this phone, with proper programming, will see (or pick-up) the 1900 Blue network first. And surprisingly, in the first day of operation I have been able to make calls without an external antenna in three years. (3 bars of service vs one.)
I was told by the Cingular owned store employees that I can still use my GAIT phone with a simple switch of the SIM card to my old phone. Which continues to allow me to make calls in areas not yet converted to GSM.
One store rep. told me that analog and TDMA are the same thing. That shoots her credability. The people at 611 were equally confused. A tech located at Little Rock said he could set the net...
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I did the following. Purchased a new Motorola V 551 because I was told this phone, with proper programming, will see (or pick-up) the 1900 Blue network first. And surprisingly, in the first day of operation I have been able to make calls without an external antenna in three years. (3 bars of service vs one.)
I was told by the Cingular owned store employees that I can still use my GAIT phone with a simple switch of the SIM card to my old phone. Which continues to allow me to make calls in areas not yet converted to GSM.
One store rep. told me that analog and TDMA are the same thing. That shoots her credability. The people at 611 were equally confused. A tech located at Little Rock said he could set the net...
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Another great question. We just hope that our customers can be patient and allow us time for this massive task of combining 45,000 plus cell sites into one network. This is a huge undertaking and it willl taake some time but itis moving quite quickly. Cingular trys to do this wrok during hours of 12 am -5 am to avoid any interuptions to service. But there still have been some planned outages 2 work on network integration and the upgrade to UMTS and HSPDA. We just ask that our customers continue 2 be patient.
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Well sadly, some will understand most will not. They will just cancel because they feel they are being inconvenienced by this. I will still be here to help those who want my help and will listen too me instead of demanding a supervisor to be let out of contract, which of course will NOT happen.
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its actually not going to be completed completely until mid 2006, just had training on this the other night, because pretty soon some phone will not work once the intigration is complete, pretty much any phone made before 2001 wont work, as well as some samsungs and lg's will not work period, even if they were purchased after 2001
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hey twick, where do you get your information from, because network integration like that has nothing to do with the phones... there not picking off different towers, just more of the same towers, the only way the phone wouldbe compatible if if the phone wasnt locked to the network or something... or software changes...
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Some of that is true most customers who live in mixed markets where before the buyout AT&T and cingular both had service. Are load balanced either Cingular or AT&T towers first until network integration is complete. There are some markets that are already done like Mississippi and Hawaii are already integrated. Cingular can load balance you to being orange first or blue first but that is not a permanent solution.
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thanks for your reply. The whole merger thing has had me fascinated from day one.
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simplymarcus said:
Some of that is true most customers who live in mixed markets where before the buyout AT&T and cingular both had service. Are load balanced either Cingular or AT&T towers first until network integration is complete. There are some markets that are already done like Mississippi and Hawaii are already integrated. Cingular can load balance you to being orange first or blue first but that is not a permanent solution.
What about those of us who signed up with Cingular (after the merger) in a market that was previously all BLUE???? Does that mean that we can only access blue towers nationwide?
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No, it doesn't mean that. The new Cingular wireless phones that were purchased after the merger are able to receive signal from the entire national network.
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If your sim card says 64k on it then it will pick up both orange and blue towers, if it says 32k on it then you are either picking up one or the other as the primary and the other one as the secondary.
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Network integration applys to markets that have both orange and blue. Netwrok integration is forcing a sim card to the strongest tower first no matter if it is blue or orange.
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simplymarcus said:
Network integration applys to markets that have both orange and blue. Netwrok integration is forcing a sim card to the strongest tower first no matter if it is blue or orange.
ACTUALLY, Mr. Simplymarcus, network integration is the process by which the network code is changed so all phones recognize the network as "Cingular Orange". Once integration is complete, the blue network will no longer be discovered in manual network selection. I experienced this firsthand during my trip to Pittsburgh last weekend - integration is complete there and I was unable to locate anything but "Cingular Wireless" on my Moto V600. And if you check MTi, you'll see that integration is complete! Voila!
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Yeah I noticed the same thing up here in Canada on the Rogers network. I had my phone set to pickup Fido then later in the month it just started saying Rogers again. If it took a couple months here in Canada, I think 6 months for the USA should be about right.
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Well, They are doing something Here in California.... I know this because my sister lives in Lodi California (95242) and she would not get crap worth of service inside she would have to go outside and she would still only get about 2 bars. Well she woke up one morning to find that she has all 5 bars inside now! They must be doing something. Of course i have Cingular also but i live in a different town (Tracy, 95376) I have always had 5 bars inside so i will notice no difference.. But yeah they are doing something. 😁
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6 months until integration ?! November '06 is the projected date to have this all completed. When your phones read USA 410 (as opposed to Cingular) your on the all over network, or Gold Network. Your talking about not only switching ATTW towers over to Cingular but also other towers from the merger with SBC that created Cingular. Currently there is 5 different signatures on the Cingualr network and they are bringing that down to 1 uniform or all over network. The USA 410 network. If it took 6 months it would be nothing short of a miracle... sorry ti disappoint.
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exactly! it will take alot longer than 6 months....i was also told that once it is usa 410 that there will no long be any sort of roaming for customers either, meaning if they go somewhere that doesnt have cingular towers and only t-mobile, then they aint gonna have any service
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Simplymarcus and I told you all that the "All Over Network" was a load of hooey months ago and that the network and tower techs were pissed off about the "false advertising" campaign that the crackheads in marketing had come up with to support their various drug habits. Network intergration won't be completed until the end of 06' or early 07'. So until then the commercials you see with the cute little bars made out of everything under the sun while entertaining are pur BS.
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in ga the phones auto scan between both networks already regardless if they are tdma or gsm they have been doing this for quite some time
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The fact is no BLUE customer will see Orange ever. They will see a tag telling them Orange Cingular Wireless but it is simply a change in what the network says to your phone.
Blue does not have 850 in their phones and ATT had very few if any phones with 850 frequency.
Orange customers will see both towers in any area where it cannot pickup the Cingular signal or if it has been integrated.
My In-laws live next to a blue tower and now they get full signal as of 1 month after the merger in November and only had 1 bar if lucky with Orange before merger. It is a matter of location and what they really need at this point until the integration is fully completed.
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Blue does not have 850 in their phones and ATT had very few if any phones with 850 frequency.
Orange customers will see both towers in any area where it cannot pickup the Cingular signal or if it has been integrated.
My In-laws live next to a blue tower and now they get full signal as of 1 month after the merger in November and only had 1 bar if lucky with Orange before merger. It is a matter of location and what they really need at this point until the integration is fully completed.
It is not black and white. Anyone on Cingular can see the towers if they ...
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