???????

How many CEOs exist in this country? How many were put on trial for some sort of fraud?

All people from South Carolina are morons because I saw this guy on TV who was from SC and was a moron.

Yeah, stupid statement. So was yours.

The current state of Corporate integrity is deplorable.

There are reams of research that conclusively demonstrate corporations of all kinds rate low in many areas. These areas include, but are not limited to, neglect of lower rung employees, the environment, and the general long term future of the world in which they operate.

The CEO's who demand and are paid these substantial salaries are perfect examples of corporate greed and excess at the expense of others.

These CEO's who are competent enough to be hired, but incompetent enough to do their job ethically and within the boundaries of the law.

It is not my contention there are no corporations or CEO's worthy of respect. It my contention, that the ones who are worthy of res...
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This has no place in this forum.

Business or Internet etiquette are obviously not your strongest quality.

Anyone know about new data plans for PC cards? Or better yet is there card made for mac's yet???? I am telling you I am on to something here.

Mac Users=early adapters of new technology such as wireless data cards.

PC Users=it works for me why change.

Give anyone any ideas??
maybe I should be a CEO 🙂......
-Z

This has no place in this forum.

Very audacious. Considering the other posts and comments on this very board, I would politely disagree.

Also, as a tip, I'd suggest starting a new thread for a question totally unrelated to the thread.

the sony ericsson cards work for macs, you just have to search google for 3rd party drivers. I've been a mac user for years and that does not always mean early adapter. it was quite a while before I got my first firewire device, other than firewire or bluetooth, there hasnt been too much apple used as a standard before it was available on a pc.

I respected your issue as first posted on this board. With statements like these I am beginning to believe your problems may have not all been caused by a poor quality sales rep. Since only you and the rep know what happened we will never know the truth.

Now, as for CEOs. You still have no reasonable facts to state that the majority of higher corporate positions are corrupt and thoughtless as you state. There are thousands of corporations in this country and you are basing your statements on a select few. Your reams of research still point to the fact that corporate corruption effects a small minority of companies.

So far you have left the impression that you are either an unhappy shareholder of Enron or some other similar company...
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I respected your issue as first posted on this board. With statements like these I am beginning to believe your problems may have not all been caused by a poor quality sales rep.

Please don't confuse my statements or beliefs with the level of quality I received. Despite my beliefs, which you do not agree with, I treat everyone with the same respect that I hope to receive until given reason otherwise.

Your reams of research still point to the fact that corporate corruption effects a small minority of companies.

I disagree and will be willing to cite references if necessary. For now I just reference President Bush's speech as he signed the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002, a cor...
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I respected your issue as first posted on this board. With statements like these I am beginning to believe your problems may have not all been caused by a poor quality sales rep.

Please don't confuse my statements or beliefs with the level of quality I received. Despite my beliefs, which you do not agree with, I treat everyone with the same respect that I hope to receive until given reason otherwise.

Your reams of research still point to the fact that corporate corruption effects a small minority of companies.

I disagree and will be willing to cite references if necessary. For now I just reference President Bush's speech as he signed the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002, a co...
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Fine, then prove to me with legitimate number that a MAJORITY of corporations do this. You only need to do this for the companies incorporated within the 50 U.S. states.

To do this you would need to find out how many of these corporations exist. I would suggest contacting the department of state. In a year or so you might get an answer. Then you would need to show the data that substantially proves that more than half of them have these issues.

Good luck.

Or maybe you wish to retract your blanket statement.

texaswireless said:
Fine, then prove to me with legitimate number that a MAJORITY of corporations do this. You only need to do this for the companies incorporated within the 50 U.S. states.

To do this you would need to find out how many of these corporations exist. I would suggest contacting the department of state. In a year or so you might get an answer. Then you would need to show the data that substantially proves that more than half of them have these issues.

Good luck.

Or maybe you wish to retract your blanket statement.

how about this, cingular is run by satan, and anyone who sticks up for the company has had their soul stolen by cingular and wishes to force their soul stealing upon o...
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Just call me Beezlebub.

hummm interesting satan -an a = stan

Already showed that 🙂

So because you type all that you think you answered my challenge?

You cannot prove that the majority of corporations participate in criminal or (in your opinion) civil violations of public trust. You want to use the term majority to further your point but cannot come close to proving anything close to a majority violate ANY of the accusations you make.

texaswireless said:
Now, as for CEOs. You still have no reasonable facts to state that the majority of higher corporate positions are corrupt and thoughtless as you state. There are thousands of corporations in this country and you are basing your statements on a select few. Your reams of research still point to the fact that corporate corruption effects a small minority of companies.

Actually, check out a very interesting documentary called "The Corporation," which makes a very good case for the average corporation, in its capacity as a legal person, demonstrating very closely the complex of behaviors usually diagnosed as "classic psychopath."

At any rate, I have a very real problem with the h...
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As I have stated, I have no delusions that there are not evil, power hungry people runnings some pretty powerful companies out there.

What I have a problem with are the blanket statements that throw these people into this poor light. I am one of these people, albeit I run a very small company. My best friend is one of these people, and he runs a very large corporate (the one I used to work with). I can tell you this as well. He started his company with $10000. He built it into a 200+ location empire through hard work and impressive intelligence. He is worth EVERY penny he pays himself. He does not s**t on his people, rather most who have worked for him at some point value the experience. I look to him when I set my personal goals ...
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texaswireless said:
As I have stated, I have no delusions that there are not evil, power hungry people runnings some pretty powerful companies out there.

What I have a problem with are the blanket statements that throw these people into this poor light. I am one of these people, albeit I run a very small company. My best friend is one of these people, and he runs a very large corporate (the one I used to work with). I can tell you this as well. He started his company with $10000. He built it into a 200+ location empire through hard work and impressive intelligence. He is worth EVERY penny he pays himself. He does not s**t on his people, rather most who have worked for him at some point value the experience. I l

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Get a life man.

texaswireless said:
Get a life man.

my life shall not be yours satan!

Do you want my golden fiddle.

Well, you are countering my "blanket statement" with two examples, hardly a refutation of any great weight. Again, I commend the documentary "The Corporation" to you, as the filmmakers did some pretty exhaustive research and make their points with clarity, evenhandedness and a lot of good sense. Of course, they're Canadians, so that might have something to do with the tone of the movie... 😉 One of the points they make is the dilemma of the very good, moral, ethical person who finds him/herself in charge of one of these moral idiots we call corporations and how incredibly difficult it is for them to reconcile the actions their companies take with their own moral code as well as the incredible difficulty of rectifying what is basically...
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Aleq,

Do you know how many corporations there are in the United States? I don't either but I am willing to bet a guess of 10,000 per state on average would be quite low. That is close to 1/2 million corporations. Now, how many did these guys research? If they researched 5000 corporations the only checked on 1% of my extremely low figure.

I cited two companies I know personally. These "documentaries" and reams of research boob dude talks about don't even scratch the iceberg, let alone expose the tip.

This stupid thread started because some moron who is unhappy with his job complained that a CEO got a big bonus. It turned into a thread on corporate responsibility when Stan Sigmund has nothing to do with these accusations. Talk...
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So let's see here--you have absolutely no knowledge of the information I'm attempting to communicate to you, but you feel free to denigrate it sight unseen.

You also have no other substantive facts, figures or cites to replace them, just your own unsubstantiated opinions regarding the number, ethics and habits of corporate entities in the US.

The original post's content and intent are meaningless in the context of current discussion, and as for taking the moral high ground about hijacking a thread you have left it far behind by participating in said hijack to the level of YOUR comfort, and now that your comfort level is exceeded you feel qualified to insist that everybody ELSE who might actually be enjoying the back and forth exchang...
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OK, so prove it then Aleq.

Prove to me that more than half of the corporations have participated in ANY of the situations you or those who agree with you allege.

Please, prove me wrong.

I am sorry man, but you just can't. The statistics are overwhelmingly against you and your assertions.

Oh, and I did not denigrate the information you provided, I just said that I personally doubt they performed research on that many companies. I am willing to agree that what they found showed ample amounts of corporate corruption. That still does not mean that a "majority" of corporations are corrupt or wish to push the law to the extent of it's legal definition.

As I stated to boob man, you would need to add up all the corporations from ev...
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In the first place, you are asking me to prove an assertion that *I* have never made. Review my posts. I have stated my OPINIONS regarding the relative values of CEO's versus other employees, I have stated my OPINIONS regarding the ethicality of the corporate entity, based on my own experience and research into such behaviors. I have stated my OPINION regarding the dubious correctness of allowing a corporate body to have the legal rights of a sovereign person. At no point have I made assertions that these are anything OTHER than my opinions, and as such none of what I said needs to be "proved" in any way to insure its validity. Opinions, by their nature, are not subject to proof. One does not "prove" an opinion, one proves a theory or an...
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Aleq said:


Oh, and your final point b) is, on the contrary, eminently provable.

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havent we beaten this subject to death yet? all we wanted to know is if anyone else got a $5 millon dollar signing bonus for staying with the company. a simple yes or no answer. but thanks for the ramble it was great for the laugh.

kioskking said:
havent we beaten this subject to death yet? all we wanted to know is if anyone else got a $5 millon dollar signing bonus for staying with the company. a simple yes or no answer. but thanks for the ramble it was great for the laugh.

Whaddaya mean "we?" Got a mouse in your pocket there, home slice? 😉

lol...home slice...yeah isnt it bring your pet to work week?

kioskking said:
lol...home slice...yeah isnt it bring your pet to work week?

I thought that was every week... Oh wait, my mistake--I keep forgetting that monkey next to me actually WORKS here! 🤣

Oh, and by the way. No comfort level is exceeded, I just think no on here is going to convince the other. You can't prove anything statisticly to me and I can't convince you that we are talking about a small minority of companies.

We could keep pounding away at another, but to what end?

texaswireless said:
We could keep pounding away at another, but to what end?

Ummm, it's the most fun to be had and still keep the clothes on? 🤣

who said we had clothes on?

kioskking said:
who said we had clothes on?

Good point, that... 😳

...or perhaps that should read "God, point that...at someone else!" 🤣

hahaha.

Good sense of humor 🤣

texaswireless said:
All people from South Carolina are morons because I saw this guy on TV who was from SC and was a moron.

hahaha
I love that.

Outsourcing may be the answer here. I'm sure there are business executives in India who would be happy to be CEO of an American corporation for 1/2 or 1/3 the compensation paid now. It's in the stockholders' best interest to save money by outsourcing as much as possible, right?

charmc said:
Outsourcing may be the answer here. I'm sure there are business executives in India who would be happy to be CEO of an American corporation for 1/2 or 1/3 the compensation paid now. It's in the stockholders' best interest to save money by outsourcing as much as possible, right?

Absolutely! As a matter of fact I'd be willing to dye my hair black and call myself Patel in order to be considered for the position! I'd look stunning in a turban... 🙄

Good evening, my name is Vijay, how may I help you this afternoon?

Definite golf clap, well done... Nice job of research, well presented, got a good beat, I can dance to it... 🤣

wow that was a lot of information...my head is still spinning

Yes, alot of information. None of which confirms his contentions that a majority of corporations do anything he considers bad (yeah, general statement, but you seem to think I am not allowing you to include every bit of scandal, criminal act or inpropriety available to prove your point).

The NY stats are a joke. Do you have any idea of how many tens of thousand of corporations are active in NY. That figure is miniscule to the actual number for comparison, yet you think it proves your point?

Your others stats are not something I disagree with, and have stated such (you even quoted me in that post). I agree there are problems. I disagree it is anywhere close to the majority. Period. That is my argument. Period. How can you NOT u...
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If this were a dance movie this it what you'd be hearing right about now.

"Beotch got you served!" or "That mofo just straight up smoked your ass!"or "Damn beotch, your **** is wrecked!"

If your a gamer.

"pwned!" or "your a boon"

What?

Yes, but it isn't an unreasonable extrapolation. I'm on Cellb00b's side on this one. Sorry texas, but to strike down his argument because he has not surveyed all cases and directly looked at the issue in them, does not mean he is wrong. Like I said, this is a reasonable extrapolation. Texas, you're asking too much

But it's not a reasonable extrapolation! If you are a sales rep, I'll bet you have a lot of customer who come in every day with problems with their billing, problems with their phones, etc. You might come to the conclusion then that cell phones are generally unreliable and the wireless carriers are constantly screwing people's bills up, when in reality most customers either don't have these sorts of problems, or rarely have them.

The same thing is true of corporations. You won't see an article on the front page of a newspaper saying "99.9% OF BUSINESSES HONEST!" You will on the other hand see the various indiscretions of companies like Enron or MCI displayed for everyone to see. Going off documentaries or newspaper articles alone wil...
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Oh, I do take them with a grain of salt, absolutely. As I do with everything, come to think of it. But I do know that businesses, especially big ones, are geared towards profit making. Now, as you climb the food chain, the issues become not the service, but the numbers. And I am willing to stake my everlasting soul on the bet that says greater than 50% of large businesses skew their numbers and practices to the point of being crooked, if not outright illegal (which I am sure are the cases that we hear about). I am not a fool: I have lived long enough to realize that once someone gets away with something, they are likely to persist in that behaviour

You just changed the grouo size to which cellboob was refering. He said, repeatedly I might add, that corporations (not some) have these issues. When pressed he did not back down but further skewered all sizes, big and small, of being corrupt.

If you wanted to say that 50% of the Fortune 100 companies have at one point in time used shady/illegal tactics in their business practices I wouldn't be making this argument.

To say that 50% (or as boob said, the majority) of ALL corporations use shady/illegal business practices is irresponsible and grandstanding!

Anecdotal ...

like how smoking can cause lung cancer?
like how pollution is deteriorating our health?

My point - cellboob cannot present any HARD statistics to back up his claims, only an endless string of internet newsletters, mainly for consumer watchdog groups. I've read most of the links that he has posted, and found them interesting, but take them with a grain of salt, please!

The very fact that our government refuses to keep such statistics should frighten you as it does me.

We all acknowledge a problem, yet do nothing to assess or curtail it.

Lastly, all incorporations by nature of incorporating are shirking responsibility in some way, shape, or form. Before disagreeing, look up the defi...
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Your last statement shows your true lack of education on the matter. Corporations have many additional logical reasons to be established other than personal liability shelter. Most corporation heads pay more in taxes due to the double taxation laws than do sole proprietor or partnership business models. You have better methods of raising capital, ability to have the business outlast the life of the ownership...

You STILL cannot back your original statements that the MAJORITY of corporations operate outside of the law and outside of public interest. No matter how much crap you post, you cannot prove your theory. Your debate skills are terrible. You would be run out of Harvard my boy. You're not supposed to keep agreeing with points ...
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He cited data that showed enormous increases in corporations who restated their earnings but if there was only 100,000 corporations in the state of NY (as a comparison, there are about 100,000 corporations in the Puget Sound area of NW Washington, also from an article boob boy posted) his data would involve less than 1/2 of 1% of said corporations. That isn't enough of a number to extrapolate any figure with statistical relevance.

texas wireless is another example of private citizen so utterly cowed by the cyrpto fascisst ogliarchy that they actually think that these corporations are not inimical to human life. Robert Anton Wilson referred to people like this as 'useful idiots'. And so he is.

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texas wireless is another example of private citizen so utterly cowed by the cyrpto fascisst ogliarchy that they actually think that these corporations are not inimical to human life. Robert Anton Wilson referred to people like this as 'useful idiots'. And so he is.

And you are not a private citizen? Calling people names doesn't add up to much in the end. He's simply arguing from the perspective of a business owner, who in turn knows a lot of other business owners. I think his point is valid. We're constantly assaulted by a barrage of documentaries and news articles telling us about the latest corporate scandal.

In reality, the typical corporation is not particularly large and nei...
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I'm just looking around the poker table wondering whcih one of us is the one dumping their chemicals behind the Wal-Mart. 6 of us here, according to cellboob at least 3 of us MUST be guilty.

you posted a letter from ralph nader? now i understand what your problem is you a POT-HEAD
LOL

I always thought of it as a marriage.. you know. The upfront benefits look good, work isnt so hard to maintain, but as soon as the ring is on the finger, it turns into a meth-addicted Hydra with a mild form of schizophrenia..

lmao I love that description......so fitting to my ex

:-) Thanks

The only part fitting with mine is the hydra.. all the heads were her family :-) who I am sure were on drugs of some sort but cant prove

LOL

Heh the drugs was my ex....he was a psycho, and his family was just as bad as the heads your speaking of.

kioskking said:
Well i think what he ment was that it would be nice to see our raise since it has not hit our paychecks yet and it should have been in there since feburary. but go ahead and give someone a bonus of $5 million before you give the raises to the front line. and no i am not bitter i just want my money and burger king doesnt have 401k. but thanks for the suggestion

They're CEOs...it's how it works. YOU go to Harvard and get three degrees and then work in the industry for 30 years.

So why do they always claim ignorance of the facts when in court?

Cellboob01 said:
So why do they always claim ignorance of the facts when in court?

Because they're board demands it.

no, it is because they went to harvard and secretly took law courses 😁

because it's easier to plead the 5th. that way you can keep your feet as far away from your mouth as possible.


xoxo

cingular is the devil and their oppressive reign will be stopped sooner or later 😈

ADMIT PWNAGE AND MOVE ON TEXASWIRELESS.