Verizon boggles my mind
I posted a similar post in the Verizon post. I am not teying to start a flame war. I am just INOCENTLY asking the following:
I wonder why Verizon customers/reps critisize Cingular for being the largest only from buying AT&T? They complain that our growth was not natural & claim that Verizon's growth was natural.
Verizons growth was not natural. Here in my local market (DENVER) they had a merger with AirTouch. Verizon was not ever a glimmer in anyones eye before that.
This was the same with other companies also. I think that the only company that was an ORIGNAL carrier, for the 80's, was AT&T. Verizon came into exsitsance the same way as Cingular, T-Mobile & other various carriers.
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I wonder why Verizon customers/reps critisize Cingular for being the largest only from buying AT&T? They complain that our growth was not natural & claim that Verizon's growth was natural.
Verizons growth was not natural. Here in my local market (DENVER) they had a merger with AirTouch. Verizon was not ever a glimmer in anyones eye before that.
This was the same with other companies also. I think that the only company that was an ORIGNAL carrier, for the 80's, was AT&T. Verizon came into exsitsance the same way as Cingular, T-Mobile & other various carriers.
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Someone in the VZW forum said the following:
Then I told them:
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schnozejt said:
I know your post is not directed to me, but I will try to attempt to answer your question. VZW didn't DIRECTLY become #1 by adding customers and towers, they worked at it. Cingular become #1 in customer base instanteously because of the merger. So, Cingular becoming #1 is directly correlated to ATT merger and VZW's success has an indirect correlation to its many mergers.
Then I told them:
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But the thing i asked is why do people complain about the growth not being natural. Verizons growth was not natural. They gained a large customer base the same way Cingular did... Through mergers. You can not dispute this
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People just want to try and make it seem like Cingular somehow cheated to get to where they are, that unless you have 100% natural growth you arent ****.
Alot of people I think ignore the fact that Verizon wireless didnt spring up but was formed by mergers is because the big mergers happened sometime ago as opposed to Cingular being recent.
Alot of people I think ignore the fact that Verizon wireless didnt spring up but was formed by mergers is because the big mergers happened sometime ago as opposed to Cingular being recent.
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So by that logic, in a few years the merger will be a thing of the past. Then when Cingular is STILL beating VZW in like 5 years, we can claim that the growth is natural via Migration. I know that will happen... Many people seem to forget this one ancient company "VoiceStream"....
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The American public has an aggregate memory roughly as long as that of a fruit fly... This is why politicians can just go away for a little while and then come back and screw everybody in exactly the same way they have a hundred times before. I suppose this is why people seem to think the Charlie Brown/Lucy football gag is funny... 🙄
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One thing I also notice is that by the VZW forum standard, VZW is just as guilty of the same thing That guy did say
IMO, by their standard, they are even worse, since they had to merge with MANY companies to gain that customer base. Its like the pot calling the kettle black or throwing stones in glass houses.
VZW's success has an indirect correlation to its many mergers.
IMO, by their standard, they are even worse, since they had to merge with MANY companies to gain that customer base. Its like the pot calling the kettle black or throwing stones in glass houses.
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Aleq said: I suppose this is why people seem to think the Charlie Brown/Lucy football gag is funny... 🙄
Dude, that IS hilarious. It shows the innocence of youth believing all is good with the world.
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coldsteel said:Aleq said: I suppose this is why people seem to think the Charlie Brown/Lucy football gag is funny... 🙄
Dude, that IS hilarious. It shows the innocence of youth believing all is good with the world.
That's exactly what you're SUPPOSED to think. In reality, it's a casebook example of how A) you can keep screwing people over and over if you hang a sufficiently contrite face on it, and B) it's twofold, since the morons READING the stupid strip for the millionth time are still conned into thinking it's in any way amusing. The fact that they're still re-running these stupid "comics" long after the cartoonist died just illustrates even MORE the callous m...
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Wow! Someone is definitely NOT a Peanuts fan.
Personally, I enjoy Charles Schulz's work as it seems to have a little more depth than most other comic strips. To each his own though . . .
Personally, I enjoy Charles Schulz's work as it seems to have a little more depth than most other comic strips. To each his own though . . .
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elihuspeaks said:
Wow! Someone is definitely NOT a Peanuts fan.
Personally, I enjoy Charles Schulz's work as it seems to have a little more depth than most other comic strips. To each his own though . . .
Nothing personal against Ketcham, just that he had no idea of when to give up and retire, then his heirs and assigns continue to prop up his dessicated corpse, metaphorically speaking, which I find kind of disgusting... What, do they think they need MORE money? 😕
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Aleq said:elihuspeaks said:
Wow! Someone is definitely NOT a Peanuts fan.
Personally, I enjoy Charles Schulz's work as it seems to have a little more depth than most other comic strips. To each his own though . . .
Nothing personal against Ketcham, just that he had no idea of when to give up and retire, then his heirs and assigns continue to prop up his dessicated corpse, metaphorically speaking, which I find kind of disgusting... What, do they think they need MORE money? 😕
Sorry, Schulz--but "Dennis the Menace" needs to go away too! 🤣
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Aleq said:One thing is for certain: Charles Schulz's work remained poignant and fresh right up to the end of his career. You can't say that about many of the greats.elihuspeaks said:
Wow! Someone is definitely NOT a Peanuts fan.
Personally, I enjoy Charles Schulz's work as it seems to have a little more depth than most other comic strips. To each his own though . . .
Nothing personal against Ketcham, just that he had no idea of when to give up and retire, then his heirs and assigns continue to prop up his dessicated corpse, metaphorically speaking, which I find kind of disgusting... What, do they think they need MORE money? 😕
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Exactly. Not nearly as much recycled material as say Garfield (funny for the first ten years - but not so much anymore).
P.S. What so bad about more money?
P.S. What so bad about more money?
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elihuspeaks said:
P.S. What so bad about more money?
Nothing, assuming you didn't pimp out your dead grandmother to get it... 😳
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Aleq said:That's an entirely horrible scenario.elihuspeaks said:
P.S. What so bad about more money?
Nothing, assuming you didn't pimp out your dead grandmother to get it... 😳
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muchdrama said:Aleq said:That's an entirely horrible scenario.elihuspeaks said:
P.S. What so bad about more money?
Nothing, assuming you didn't pimp out your dead grandmother to get it... 😳
Yup, it was meant that way! 😎
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muchdrama said:
One thing is for certain: Charles Schulz's work remained poignant and fresh right up to the end of his career. You can't say that about many of the greats.
Don't hate me MuchD, but that is so NOT true. Schulz was much better in the '60s and the '70s then he was late in his career.
Btw, my folks live in Santa Rosa... same town as Mr. Schulz did. I think there's a little museum to him there. 🙂
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BetterThanJake said:Blasphemy, Sir! I will always think Mr. Shulz kept a certain poignancy right up till the very end of his career. In my mind only one other cartoonist has been able to do that...Bill Waterson (although his career didn't span nearly as long).muchdrama said:
One thing is for certain: Charles Schulz's work remained poignant and fresh right up to the end of his career. You can't say that about many of the greats.
Don't hate me MuchD, but that is so NOT true. Schulz was much better in the '60s and the '70s then he was late in his career.
Btw, my folks live in Santa Rosa... same town as Mr. Schulz did. I think there's a little museum to him there. 🙂
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Calvin and Hobbes is badass!
However the real king is...
Berke Breathed. I've read comic funnies my whole life. He's the only one that made me shoot milk from my nose like I was putting out a fire.
Here's my top picks.
Berke Breathed.
Bill Waterson.
Jim Davis.
Charles Schultz.
I put chuck last just because he is the least funny of the cartoonists here. His talent and impact are unsurpassed however, and the other guys owe what they do to him.
However the real king is...
Berke Breathed. I've read comic funnies my whole life. He's the only one that made me shoot milk from my nose like I was putting out a fire.
Here's my top picks.
Berke Breathed.
Bill Waterson.
Jim Davis.
Charles Schultz.
I put chuck last just because he is the least funny of the cartoonists here. His talent and impact are unsurpassed however, and the other guys owe what they do to him.
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Al_Swearengen said:I'll give you Breathed, Waterson, and Schulz...but I most certainly will not raise you Jim Davis. Garfield hasn't been funny in 20 years.
Calvin and Hobbes is badass!
However the real king is...
Berke Breathed. I've read comic funnies my whole life. He's the only one that made me shoot milk from my nose like I was putting out a fire.
Here's my top picks.
Berke Breathed.
Bill Waterson.
Jim Davis.
Charles Schultz.
I put chuck last just because he is the least funny of the cartoonists here. His talent and impact are unsurpassed however, and the other guys owe what they do to him.
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nuthinbutwireless said:
The problem with any merger is that the customers that were associated with AT&T may not like the migrations that are necessary to change over to Cingular. They got more customers but they did not take over the old network or the old plans. By the end of the year all customers that were on AT&T plans will be forced to switch to Cingular plans or switch carriers because there will be no AT&T. This will result in a lot of churn and Cingular will shrink considerably. Verizon continues to grow through it's own channels and will problably surpass Cingular by the end of the year.
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And this guy is advertising on the forums that he is an answer guy...
Verizon would have to have a year beyond any comprehension and Cingular would have to collapse. Like I said earlier, Stan Sigmund isn't stupid.
mmcnier, bringing up the mergers that Verizon did to get to their size is salt in the wounds to many here. But unfortunately facts are facts. Airtouch was a hell of a company. I sold them at their number one dealer in San Diego, then sold them at the former company I helped run for years.
The only companies that started from scratch and have added very little from mergers are the smaller companies. Sprint, Western Wireless, Alltel, etc. Heck even Nextel went around buying up smaller companies and spectrum.
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Verizon would have to have a year beyond any comprehension and Cingular would have to collapse. Like I said earlier, Stan Sigmund isn't stupid.
mmcnier, bringing up the mergers that Verizon did to get to their size is salt in the wounds to many here. But unfortunately facts are facts. Airtouch was a hell of a company. I sold them at their number one dealer in San Diego, then sold them at the former company I helped run for years.
The only companies that started from scratch and have added very little from mergers are the smaller companies. Sprint, Western Wireless, Alltel, etc. Heck even Nextel went around buying up smaller companies and spectrum.
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I honestly don't care who is #1 or #3001. I am not the big guy on top that makes millions of dollars a year. So what the big deal? I work for Cingular and have service w/ Verizon, why? I wanted a phone from Verizon that Cingular doesn't have. Plus I got poor service from a sales rep @ Cingular store. He didn't get all the facts straight and messed up. I was a out of contract blue family plan TDMA customer that wanted to migrate over. There was a phone I wanted w/ a buy one get one free rebate. With out even finding out all the facts- he said I couldn't get the rebate because I am considered an old customer and tried to talk me down on the phones since they only had one in stock and wanted me to get another phone. I only wanted that phone in...
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