AT&T Q3 Results. (a record breaking 2M+ net adds)
For a network that's "so bad" it continues to shine quarter after quarter.
Churn rate of 1.17 😎 -> (Hmmm, I wonder what do AT&T haters have to say about this?)
http://www.rcrwireless.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID ... »
http://www.wirelessweek.com/News/2009/10/ATT-Profits ... »
Churn rate of 1.17 😎 -> (Hmmm, I wonder what do AT&T haters have to say about this?)
http://www.rcrwireless.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID ... »
http://www.wirelessweek.com/News/2009/10/ATT-Profits ... »
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Anxiovert said:
For a network that's "so bad" it continues to shine quarter after quarter.
Churn rate of 1.17 😎 -> (Hmmm, I wonder what do AT&T haters have to say about this?)
http://www.rcrwireless.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID ... »
http://www.wirelessweek.com/News/2009/10/ATT-Profits ... »
Nothing wrong with having at&t. I like Sprint.
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Not to mention this company is ranked 7th in the world by Forbes. This ranking is based on sales, profit, assets, and market value. Wal-Mart is 8th.... 😳
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Wow, that's a really big statement that ATT is a bigger company than Wal Mart!!! Wal Mart is a $300B+/yr company.
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at&T Mobility is 7th in the world?
Isn't it like saying Verizon Wireless and Verizon are the same?
Isn't it like saying Verizon Wireless and Verizon are the same?
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at&t mobility is not the seventh in the world, at&t corp (landline services, international, etc) as a whole is... just a little correction 🙂
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I love the fact that Verizon is actually running ads now attacking the iPhone - apparently its making enough of a dent in their numbers to warrant a response (and makes you second guess all those Verizon/iPhone rumors)
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"During the quarter AT&T Mobility said it added 4.3 million postpaid 3G integrated devices to its network including a record 3.2 million iPhones."
Ummmm yeah. Verizon hasn't just become worried about the Iphone. There is a team dedicated to winning back customers who port out to other carriers and they have offers which target AT&T port outs. When customers call in and bring up the Iphone or go into a store and ask about the Iphone, it triggers a host of questions and responses designed to overcome the Iphone. 3.2 million iphones?! Are you serious?! Of course, they are finally running ads. They just needed a device which they felt could compete against it. I am quite skeptical that any Motorola phone can stand up to the Iphone. H...
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Ummmm yeah. Verizon hasn't just become worried about the Iphone. There is a team dedicated to winning back customers who port out to other carriers and they have offers which target AT&T port outs. When customers call in and bring up the Iphone or go into a store and ask about the Iphone, it triggers a host of questions and responses designed to overcome the Iphone. 3.2 million iphones?! Are you serious?! Of course, they are finally running ads. They just needed a device which they felt could compete against it. I am quite skeptical that any Motorola phone can stand up to the Iphone. H...
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"In the Q&A after the call, no one came right out and asked what's next for AT&T after the iPhone exclusivity expires. However, de la Vega was pressed on how the company will drive non-iPhone subscriber additions in the future."
Why the hell not? What I want to know is WHEN will the exclusive end.
Why the hell not? What I want to know is WHEN will the exclusive end.
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unless something changes it will be next year. Considering it's ending world wide this year, I don't see it continuing much longer unless ATT is making some serious consessions.
Apple def. wears the pants in that relationship.
Apple def. wears the pants in that relationship.
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And their pants keep growing too. Win-Win for the companies right now. Until apple sees a dip in profits I foresee the exclusive agreement being renewed.
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Yeah, probably. Pretty much ATT is doing the same thing with the Iphone, that Cingular did the Razr, bet everything on one handset.
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" At the end of the quarter the carrier said nearly 42% of its 63.4 million postpaid customers were using integrated devices."
That's a lot of smartphones!
I really don't think vz will carry it, at least not anytime soon. Especially after bashing it against a Motorola phone. It must take guts to do something of this caliber.
That's a lot of smartphones!
I really don't think vz will carry it, at least not anytime soon. Especially after bashing it against a Motorola phone. It must take guts to do something of this caliber.
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maybe.. imo, I think that apple can take the ads two ways.. Yeah they were an attack on the iphone in an attempt to garner interest for an alternative, but apple's also "resting on their laurels" right now with the iphone. (even fans of the devices note this when reviewing it)
If this is the thing that kicks apple into innovating again, so much the better.
I am a huge fan of apple, but they haven't done something really innovative to the iphone since the app store.
If this is the thing that kicks apple into innovating again, so much the better.
I am a huge fan of apple, but they haven't done something really innovative to the iphone since the app store.
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Yeah they have, they added copy/paste...oh wait, innovative....um, oh how bout MMS...oh crap....hmmmm 😁
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That's typical Apple, isn't it? They are waiting to have as many people on this iPhone before making "the big" hardward change (ahem, ipod anyone) So, that the "gotta have the latest" geeks go an buy it. Restarting the whole cycle all over again.... 😕
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eh, they updated their computers faster, and continue to updated them every year. Gadget geeks will continue to buy them whenever an update they like comes out.
With the iphone it's like they made the first innovation, and now they just tweak it enough to keep people interested, but not "wow" people again.
With the iphone it's like they made the first innovation, and now they just tweak it enough to keep people interested, but not "wow" people again.
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Hmm, I never heard the phrase "integrated devices"?
A lot of phnes integrate, they integrate an mp3 player, camera, phone.
A lot of phnes integrate, they integrate an mp3 player, camera, phone.
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integrated phones =/ just pdas, an integrated device can be a device with a qwerty keyboard on it...
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"Showing an increased reliance on prepaid customers, AT&T Mobility noted that postpaid growth dropped more than 18% from nearly 1.7 million during the third quarter of 2008 to just under 1.4 million in 2009"
That is not a good thing at all.
That is not a good thing at all.
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Postpaid revenue nets them more money, and it's predictable, which makes big funding products (building out 3g/4g) possible because of expected revenue.
So it does make a difference. Like last quarter, Sprint reported that they "only" lost 200k customers. in reality they lost almost 1 million post pay customers (paying an average of what? $70 or so) and gained 800k in prepay (virgin, boost, etc).
revenue is revenue, but post pay pays more per contract than prepay does.
So it does make a difference. Like last quarter, Sprint reported that they "only" lost 200k customers. in reality they lost almost 1 million post pay customers (paying an average of what? $70 or so) and gained 800k in prepay (virgin, boost, etc).
revenue is revenue, but post pay pays more per contract than prepay does.
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So your saying a carrier can be assured of that revenue being there if from post paid customers? Well technically NOT ME, yes I'm a post paid customer, but I haven't been under contract for 4yrs, so though I'm a post paid customer, I'm free to leave whenever I choose to. I believe in a company earning a customer, not binding them.
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I guess what this means is that people who are affected by the economy for whatever reason, and cannot afford to keep their postpaid phones are switching to pre-paid. (I may be wrong on this one) but otherwirse churn numbers would be higher, dont you think?
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I know, that's what I say everytime these Verizon worshipers have something to say, it can't be that bad considering how many customers they have, if it was that bad they'd be defecting in mass amounts, like hmmm...Sprint.
But when it comes to data, ATT is lagging big time. I'm not referring to they're claim of "fastest 3G network" I'm referring to what's going on right now, and in the next 13 months with Tmo deploying HSPA+, and Verizon deploying LTE, ATT is lagging big time, there is indeed an appetite for TRUE wireless broadband in this country.
But when it comes to data, ATT is lagging big time. I'm not referring to they're claim of "fastest 3G network" I'm referring to what's going on right now, and in the next 13 months with Tmo deploying HSPA+, and Verizon deploying LTE, ATT is lagging big time, there is indeed an appetite for TRUE wireless broadband in this country.
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Data, that's how they're lagging behind. By the end of next year Tmo will have deployed HSPA+, Verizon & MetroPCS both will have deployed LTE. I've read no headlines about ATT doing ANYTHING in 2010. The future is coming, and ATT is staying in the present, while everybody else is moving forward. When it comes to data, I quite waiting for ATT, on the 15th of this month I got TRUE wireless broadband from Clear, it's $20 less than what ATT charges for they're not so exciting speeds, and they're evil data limit. Clear has REAL broadband speeds, and no evil data limit. 2010 is 9wks away, I am not waiting for ATT anymore.
All ATT is good for is phone calls and txt msgs, that's it. I'll leave my web browsing for Clear.
All ATT is good for is phone calls and txt msgs, that's it. I'll leave my web browsing for Clear.
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lol whatever. I guarantee you that per user, at&t users use more data than any other carrier. I use it almost more for data than anything else. I didn't know you needed "true broadband" or whatever that means to post on phonescoop.
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Sigma1570 said:
I didn't know you needed "true broadband" or whatever that means to post on phonescoop.
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 That's f-d, but true. This guy keeps talking about having "true" broadband speeds when he has some 2 year old nokia phone (not even a "true" smartphone by today standards)
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He is referring to his Clear WIMAX modem.
He has the nokia because it's kind of pointless to get a brand new 3g phone if you can't get decent 3g coverage where you would use it (as he's posted countless times)
He has the nokia because it's kind of pointless to get a brand new 3g phone if you can't get decent 3g coverage where you would use it (as he's posted countless times)
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you're right on the "countless" of times, it's getting ridiculous. this guy is getting normal 3G speeds, he's posting more than 1.2Mbps constantly on a Nokia n95. He's expecting to get 7.5Mbps overnight 🙄 he's just a very unsatisfied guy, who'll nver be happy even if he was getting 22Mbps (then he'll complaint about it being to fast or his battery not lasting as much as when he was on 3G) There will always be something with this type of customer, this is why I don't miss working in this industry at all.
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Here is a quote from an industry expert, someone who knows more than BOTH you and me, who said that 3G didn't live up to it's potential, here's the quoted paragraph, plus the link to the whole article, it's Ericsson's CTO, he makes mention of the "true promise of 3G", implying that 3G never did live up to it's potential, and now that LTE & WiMAX are nearly here, or in WiMAX's case already in some cities, 3G has essentially reached the end of it's days WITHOUT living up to it's POTENTIAL,don't you remember reading articles about 7.2/14.4mbps and so on that 3G is capable of "theoretically", well, here we are 9wks away from 2010, 4G is being deployed, and 3G NEVER did live up to it's POTENTIAL:
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Ah, I think coverage and speeds are two different things, coverage is fine, speeds, well for multimedia no good.
Anyway, thank you Menno, your one of the FEW on Phone Scoop who isn't an a$$, you might say what you prefer, and that's fine, but your not a fanboy, saying what you prefer and being a fanboy, I think are two different things.
Anyway, thank you Menno, your one of the FEW on Phone Scoop who isn't an a$$, you might say what you prefer, and that's fine, but your not a fanboy, saying what you prefer and being a fanboy, I think are two different things.
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Menno IS cool. It is nice to have a difference of opinion with someone without it degrading into a namecalling contest.
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Yep, sure is. There are so, so few people on Phone Scoop who I feel I can have a mature discussion with, without there being an extreme amount of bias/fanboy, or just plain rudeness. Menno, and Slammer are among those few.
I just don't get people who are fanboys?!!?
It's a job, a paycheck, a means to pay bills, end of sentance, doesn't mean you sell your soul to a frinin company! It's as if once someone becomes an employee that they're no longer a consumer.
I just don't get people who are fanboys?!!?
It's a job, a paycheck, a means to pay bills, end of sentance, doesn't mean you sell your soul to a frinin company! It's as if once someone becomes an employee that they're no longer a consumer.
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The N95 is a very, very well rounded phone, I'm still happy with it now.
And with reguards to TRUE broabdand, I don't care about the "industry standard" how I feel is if you use the word broadband that puts a company in the same category as cable companies, as in 3+mbps, 6mbps, and so on, that it why I say ATT brings shame to the word broadband, not the same speeds as cable companies, I don't care that it's wireless, the usage of the word broadband makes me expect the same speeds as from cable companies.
And with reguards to TRUE broabdand, I don't care about the "industry standard" how I feel is if you use the word broadband that puts a company in the same category as cable companies, as in 3+mbps, 6mbps, and so on, that it why I say ATT brings shame to the word broadband, not the same speeds as cable companies, I don't care that it's wireless, the usage of the word broadband makes me expect the same speeds as from cable companies.
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If you'll look, a good chunk of their adds are for one phone (we must not speak it's name lest a wild beast appears)
Once other carriers can get that phone, will their growth continue? Right now, att has all their eggs in one basket, and even thought this basket is desirable and profitable, it still is a huge risk for a company to take.
I agree that the really need to push their network though. If, as Sigma said, ATT users use more data than any other carrier, shouldn't they want to make that data as fast as possible and increase bandwidth?
In a little over a year, upgrading HSPDA is gonna be a little like making High-Capacity VHS when everyone is using DvD's
Once other carriers can get that phone, will their growth continue? Right now, att has all their eggs in one basket, and even thought this basket is desirable and profitable, it still is a huge risk for a company to take.
I agree that the really need to push their network though. If, as Sigma said, ATT users use more data than any other carrier, shouldn't they want to make that data as fast as possible and increase bandwidth?
In a little over a year, upgrading HSPDA is gonna be a little like making High-Capacity VHS when everyone is using DvD's
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I think (and hope) that once that phone (that we don't want to name at this time) hits other carriers it will lose it's appeal. Kinda like what happened to the RAZR, after everyone had one, no one wanted to have one anymore. Besides, this phone was just an opener to what's to come. I think this phone will be outdone (if not already by this droid thing) It's just that it hasn't registered in people's minds...
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The problem is it has a zombi effect.. everyone knows the name, so even if there are better phones for their needs, people won't see them.
I for one and REALLY excited about the DROID.
I for one and REALLY excited about the DROID.
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What you said about ATT users using the most data, ATT does claim to have the most smartphone users of any network in the U.S.
But you can minus me from those who use a lot of data from now on, at least on ATT's network, since I've gotten my internet service from Clear, I have only used 15mb's a week into my billing cycle, where as I've used over 11gb's thus far since 10/15 on my Clear account. Clear has internet that's actually worth using.
Like I keep saying, it'll be really interesting to say what's going on with ATT at the end of the 1st qtr of 2011.
But you can minus me from those who use a lot of data from now on, at least on ATT's network, since I've gotten my internet service from Clear, I have only used 15mb's a week into my billing cycle, where as I've used over 11gb's thus far since 10/15 on my Clear account. Clear has internet that's actually worth using.
Like I keep saying, it'll be really interesting to say what's going on with ATT at the end of the 1st qtr of 2011.
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Jayshmay said:
But you can minus me from those who use a lot of data from now on, at least on ATT's network, since I've gotten my internet service from Clear, I have only used 15mb's a week into my billing cycle, where as I've used over 11gb's thus far since 10/15 on my Clear account. Clear has internet that's actually worth using..
OMG! We get it, we get it! You are no longer using AT&T for data. Geez, if I had to read about you having Clear one more time.... It's like you're trying everyone to switch to them too. Are they paying you to plug them in this forum or something? 🙄
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