you don't have unlimited text on all of your lines for 20.00 with verizon... you may want to check again

oh yes i do

mellowlen62 said:
oh yes i do

verizon has never offered unlimited messaging for $20.00 a month for family plans. never. unless they offered a family text plan that included unlimited IN messages that still woldn't be classified as unlimited. or you may get a service discount that brings the cost down to $20.00 but i'd call them and ask to make sure.

well then let's not tell them anything, cuz I just looked at my bill again and that is exactly what I pay and my kids text everyone under the sun, not just IN Verizon, and I find myself texting more than calling these days and I have never been charged more than that...

adilus said:

AvgJoe said:
$2 a month is too much for texting......Maybe Im old but texting is a PIA and a call is far easier to make and far less expensive.

As long as texting is important to those who use it constantly the price will never go down. Prices only go up on what people cannot live without..

Stop buying those texting plans and you will see texting prices drop, YOu control prices not ATT or VErizon.

You are old but thankfully you make me feel like a young 47.

SMS aka texting is incredibly important, especially for GSM users. If every single SMS was converted to a call, every GSM network in the world would come to a crashing halt because it wouldn't be able to ta

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Haha, based on what old fool? It isn't BS, maybe the fact that it would make it come to a "crashing halt" is an exaggeration, but SMS definitely decreases the load on the network.

AshDizzle said:
Haha, based on what old fool? It isn't BS, maybe the fact that it would make it come to a "crashing halt" is an exaggeration, but SMS definitely decreases the load on the network.

Lets see

"it isn't BS , maybe the fact that it would make it come to a halt is an exaggeration"

You made my point right there Sparky without even intending to.

My int initial comment had to do with NOT paying for text messaging packages to lower the price. That went to ALDIUS' "educated" cut and paste thesis of how The entire network would fail

IF

all those text messages were converted to calls which is indeed A BS supposition and would never happen. So in theory he is correct PRACTICALLY spea...
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AvgJoe said:
There's your BS Sizzle Chest.

This coming from an old and angry fool who's only major contributions to this forum is suckling at Nokia's teat and the introduction of the word Sparky.

adilus said:

AvgJoe said:
There's your BS Sizzle Chest.

This coming from an old and angry fool who's only major contributions to this forum is suckling at Nokia's teat and the introduction of the word Sparky.

Nice to see you are paying so much close attention to me there Sparky, But why is the real question.

But hey Mr "credentials" I'm glad to see you're not letting your education get in the way of your ignorance.

AvgJoe said:
Nice to see you are paying so much close attention to me there Sparky, But why is the real question.

But hey Mr "credentials" I'm glad to see you're not letting your education get in the way of your ignorance.

Come to your own conclusions and deal with it Sparky.

adilus said:

AvgJoe said:
Nice to see you are paying so much close attention to me there Sparky, But why is the real question.

But hey Mr "credentials" I'm glad to see you're not letting your education get in the way of your ignorance.

Come to your own conclusions and deal with it Sparky.

Already have and do..."Mr I only post every few days".

adilus said:

AvgJoe said:
$2 a month is too much for texting......Maybe Im old but texting is a PIA and a call is far easier to make and far less expensive.

As long as texting is important to those who use it constantly the price will never go down. Prices only go up on what people cannot live without..

Stop buying those texting plans and you will see texting prices drop, YOu control prices not ATT or VErizon.

You are old but thankfully you make me feel like a young 47.

SMS aka texting is incredibly important, especially for GSM users. If every single SMS was converted to a call, every GSM network in the world would come to a crashing halt because it wouldn't be able to ta

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I think text messaging causes global warming too 🙄

and carpel tunnel and arthiritis.. not to mention cancer! 😁

That must be why it is so expensive. It can do many things. Its a true multitasker! 🤣

dromant said:
I think text messaging causes global warming too 🙄

Text messaging causes my boobies to itch.

dromant said:
I think text messaging causes global warming too 🙄

Im serious ..This guy makes a comment like SMS is holding the worldwide network together,,,,,


I'm calling him out. SHOW ME.....

I guess theoretically if you turned every single text message into an actual call it would probably overload to some degree. That would never happen though and it's a stupid blanket statement so I'm all for the virtual fight!

I don't think he understands that if they changed all the SMS to calls there wouldn't be nearly as many - instead of 20 SMS back and forth to fig out where were going for dinner it would just be one call........

AvgJoe said:
I'm calling him out. SHOW ME.....

Ok inbred, try to follow along because outside of your oh-so witty negativity, you really don't possess that much true intelligence.

GSM (or any technology really, although CDMA can handle a bit higher of a load because it is a much more advanced technology) switching towers can only hold so many simultaneous connections. Each tower is alloted a certain amount of frequency for that area, as allocated by region through the FCC. When GSM was first introduced each switch could handle approximately 8 simultaneous connections with there usually being 64 switches per tower. This is the reason why a GSM tower actually has a hexagonal footprint and not an elli...
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adilus said:

AvgJoe said:
I'm calling him out. SHOW ME.....

Ok inbred, try to follow along because outside of your oh-so witty negativity, you really don't possess that much true intelligence.

GSM (or any technology really, although CDMA can handle a bit higher of a load because it is a much more advanced technology) switching towers can only hold so many simultaneous connections. Each tower is alloted a certain amount of frequency for that area, as allocated by region through the FCC. When GSM was first introduced each switch could handle approximately 8 simultaneous connections with there usually being 64 switches per tower. This is the reason why a GSM tower actually has a he

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AvgJoe said:
You are assuming all those messages would result in actual calls....foolishly.

I suggest you refrain from trotting out your "credentials" with such foolish notions.

This was point of my entire statement.

As for credentials... I'm not the one claiming to be a independently wealthy old man with nothing better to do than flame a cell phone forum. Have you ever noticed that I only post if any every couple of days or so? It's called having an active life, there's better things to do than sit in front of the computer on a daily basis. But maybe that is my age showing because I'm not afraid of the sun.

When the hell does someone go from being debt free working part time who owns a small home, two used cars and a bike to independently wealthy?

Is that what the general consensus is or are you just that ignorant of real life finance.

Sounds like you need find time in your busy schedule to take some classes in Home Economics...Ya think.

Then maybe someday...You will have both an active life AND time left over for this drivel......

With regard to your long winded paper on text messaging holding up the network based on theoretical, no fictional supposition. I'd say your education is about as useless as rubber lips on a woodpecker

AvgJoe said:
When the hell does someone go from being debt free working part time who owns a small home, two used cars and a bike to independently wealthy?

Is that what the general consensus is or are you just that ignorant of real life finance.

Sounds like you need find time in your busy schedule to take some classes in Home Economics...Ya think.

Then maybe someday...You will have both an active life AND time left over for this drivel......

With regard to your long winded paper on text messaging holding up the network based on theoretical, no fictional supposition. I'd say your education is about as useless as rubber lips on a woodpecker

Hahahaha

That has to be the weakest argument I ev...
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adilus said:

AvgJoe said:
When the hell does someone go from being debt free working part time who owns a small home, two used cars and a bike to independently wealthy?

Is that what the general consensus is or are you just that ignorant of real life finance.

Sounds like you need find time in your busy schedule to take some classes in Home Economics...Ya think.

Then maybe someday...You will have both an active life AND time left over for this drivel......

With regard to your long winded paper on text messaging holding up the network based on theoretical, no fictional supposition. I'd say your education is about as useless as rubber lips on a woodpecker

Hahahaha

That ha

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AvgJoe said:

adilus said:

AvgJoe said:
When the hell does someone go from being debt free working part time who owns a small home, two used cars and a bike to independently wealthy?

Is that what the general consensus is or are you just that ignorant of real life finance.

Sounds like you need find time in your busy schedule to take some classes in Home Economics...Ya think.

Then maybe someday...You will have both an active life AND time left over for this drivel......

With regard to your long winded paper on text messaging holding up the network based on theoretical, no fictional supposition. I'd say your education is about as useless as rubber lips on a woodpecker

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First of all there was no "debate" Debates must usually contain facts not supposition to PROVE a point. If you knew anything about debates you would also know calling me an "inbred" is a sure sign you are losing the so called debate. When it gets personal game over..Debate 101 Sparky.

Your attempt at satire is akin to my attempt to solve the theory of relativity all over again, How can you blame me for not "getting it". LOL

I did see a modicum of sarcasm but that goes with the territory. I believe you should look up the difference between gross exaggeration and sarcasm and especially satire. Those liberal Arts classes must have been a bitch.

Stick with 1+1=2

adilus said:

AvgJoe said:
I'm calling him out. SHOW ME.....

Ok inbred, try to follow along because outside of your oh-so witty negativity, you really don't possess that much true intelligence.

GSM (or any technology really, although CDMA can handle a bit higher of a load because it is a much more advanced technology) switching towers can only hold so many simultaneous connections. Each tower is alloted a certain amount of frequency for that area, as allocated by region through the FCC. When GSM was first introduced each switch could handle approximately 8 simultaneous connections with there usually being 64 switches per tower. This is the reason why a GSM tower actually has a he

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AvgJoe said:
Read Crackberrys explanation of REAL WORLD text messaging not the theoretical BS you are assuming.

You claimed without text messaging the network would fail.....LOL Thats pretty funny really.

All those calls being made instead of texts. Yeah THATS possible.

I already did and I posted my comment as such. I never claimed that without text messaging the network would fail. I claimed 2 things:

1. That SMS was a boon to the GSM network because it allowed the providers to provide an additional service without nearly the network load.

2. That if all SMS transmissions with a response would qualify as a phone call, that the subsequent load from over 10 billion SMS connections per we...
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Again, once you get past the witty comments, there is no real substance to what you post. Don't get me wrong, you life lesson about living on cash, investing properly, and only buying what you need... priceless. I just wonder if that is the reality and not what you wished you did as you realize that you are on the downturn of your life and look back at what you should have done. I went through it as well except I just dated younger women. I was not filled with anger and spite to feel the need to flame a cell phone forum.

Well heres some breaking news for ya Sparky, I am not on the down turn of life I am on the upturn. The downturn was the sacrifices and the explaining to friends with new cars at 25 why I chose to drive us...
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AvgJoe said:
Well heres some breaking news for ya Sparky, I am not on the down turn of life I am on the upturn. The downturn was the sacrifices and the explaining to friends with new cars at 25 why I chose to drive used. I now enjoy lots of free time. The only thing I should have done was MORE of what I did do. MY wife is 12 years younger than I thats young enough for me.

This is a passing fancy. I spend a whole 10 minutes on a day in total.....Do the math..Do something with those impressive credentials other than theorize about SMS....

Well aren't you special.

Although I had to laugh at your last statement. I bring up the point that if every single SMS message was converted to a call, it wou...
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adilus said:

AvgJoe said:
Well heres some breaking news for ya Sparky, I am not on the down turn of life I am on the upturn. The downturn was the sacrifices and the explaining to friends with new cars at 25 why I chose to drive used. I now enjoy lots of free time. The only thing I should have done was MORE of what I did do. MY wife is 12 years younger than I thats young enough for me.

This is a passing fancy. I spend a whole 10 minutes on a day in total.....Do the math..Do something with those impressive credentials other than theorize about SMS....

Well aren't you special.

Although I had to laugh at your last statement. I bring up the point that if every single SMS messag

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AvgJoe said:
OK we will take this S L O W
My ORIGINAL statement was as follows

"$2 a month is too much for texting......Maybe Im old but texting is a PIA and a call is far easier to make and far less expensive.

As long as texting is important to those who use it constantly the price will never go down. Prices only go up on what people cannot live without..

Stop buying those texting plans and you will see texting prices drop, YOu control prices not ATT or VErizon. "


You replied with a big IF that could never happen in claiming the network is "held up buy those who text" therefore without texting the network would fail.......IF..IF

To the original poster I still say stop buyind those rediculously priced

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Joe FTW

adilus said:
If every single SMS was converted to a call, every GSM network in the world would come to a crashing halt because it wouldn't be able to take the load.

not true. a text message is 160 bytes. basic gsm with no advanced codecs is about 270 kbits at about 4 milliseconds. so a one second conversation would have transfered about a million kbits. that would equate to a million text at once. even with no compression of newer codecs the network can more than hold all the text. just like voice is broke per khz channel and burst out by the millisecond, binary does not have to be converted from analog voice and can be sent easier.

as to what AvgJoe was saying, if at&t charged messages like data we sho...
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crackberry said:

adilus said:
If every single SMS was converted to a call, every GSM network in the world would come to a crashing halt because it wouldn't be able to take the load.

not true. a text message is 160 bytes. basic gsm with no advanced codecs is about 270 kbits at about 4 milliseconds. so a one second conversation would have transfered about a million kbits. that would equate to a million text at once. even with no compression of newer codecs the network can more than hold all the text. just like voice is broke per khz channel and burst out by the millisecond, binary does not have to be converted from analog voice and can be sent easier.

as to what AvgJoe was saying, if a

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I think text messaging gained so much in popularity because it is a alternative to burning anytime minutes and the inevitable overage charges. This is especially true with family plans. Once texting became so popular it was easy to up the prices.

crackberry said:
not true. a text message is 160 bytes. basic gsm with no advanced codecs is about 270 kbits at about 4 milliseconds. so a one second conversation would have transfered about a million kbits. that would equate to a million text at once. even with no compression of newer codecs the network can more than hold all the text. just like voice is broke per khz channel and burst out by the millisecond, binary does not have to be converted from analog voice and can be sent easier.

That's a great breakdown of a basic packet but you are failing to take into fact that the packet is not the same as a TCP packet.

The GSM Protocol Stack is much different, and is different still given that there are...
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adilus said:

crackberry said:
not true. a text message is 160 bytes. basic gsm with no advanced codecs is about 270 kbits at about 4 milliseconds. so a one second conversation would have transfered about a million kbits. that would equate to a million text at once. even with no compression of newer codecs the network can more than hold all the text. just like voice is broke per khz channel and burst out by the millisecond, binary does not have to be converted from analog voice and can be sent easier.

That's a great breakdown of a basic packet but you are failing to take into fact that the packet is not the same as a TCP packet.

The GSM Protocol Stack is much different, and is dif

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crackberry said:

adilus said:

crackberry said:
not true. a text message is 160 bytes. basic gsm with no advanced codecs is about 270 kbits at about 4 milliseconds. so a one second conversation would have transfered about a million kbits. that would equate to a million text at once. even with no compression of newer codecs the network can more than hold all the text. just like voice is broke per khz channel and burst out by the millisecond, binary does not have to be converted from analog voice and can be sent easier.

That's a great breakdown of a basic packet but you are failing to take into fact that the packet is not the same as a TCP packet.

The GSM Protoco

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AvgJoe said:
The key word in all that drivel is the word

IF

the same as your forst "on crack " statement that without text messaging the network would collapse......again you used the word

IF

IF every text message was made as a call....Now even you know the word if spoils the whole possibility...and my statement stands

Stop paying those ridiculous prices for text messaging and prices will drop/ and no all those text messages will not turn into calls and the network will stay alive and well..

And to think My education is in the Fine Arts and I could figure that out.

"IF"

NO SH#T SHERLOCK.

If was a mental exercise. No **** it is not going to happen. You obviously don't understa...
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adilus said:

AvgJoe said:
The key word in all that drivel is the word

IF

the same as your forst "on crack " statement that without text messaging the network would collapse......again you used the word

IF

IF every text message was made as a call....Now even you know the word if spoils the whole possibility...and my statement stands

Stop paying those ridiculous prices for text messaging and prices will drop/ and no all those text messages will not turn into calls and the network will stay alive and well..

And to think My education is in the Fine Arts and I could figure that out.

"IF"

NO SH#T SHERLOCK.

If was a mental exercise. No **** it is not going to happ

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AvgJoe said:
Well if you NEED menatal excercize have at it Buy a Jumbles Book, but don't spew supposition with a lot of cut and paste to answer a question seeking a REALISTIC with thoery and "what ifs"..

Relavancy is the key.

Just because you aren't smart enough to keep up, don't. When Crackberry originally posted about packet size you were quick to jump on his **** but as soon as I took it to the next level, you fall back on drivel. Pathetic.

adilus said:

crackberry said:
not true. a text message is 160 bytes. basic gsm with no advanced codecs is about 270 kbits at about 4 milliseconds. so a one second conversation would have transfered about a million kbits. that would equate to a million text at once. even with no compression of newer codecs the network can more than hold all the text. just like voice is broke per khz channel and burst out by the millisecond, binary does not have to be converted from analog voice and can be sent easier.

That's a great breakdown of a basic packet but you are failing to take into fact that the packet is not the same as a TCP packet.

The GSM Protocol Stack is much different, and is dif

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Awesome post.

Like anything for those who need it its a good thing but they are at the mercy of the Carriers rates.

Some people apparently use 1000 plus "URGENT" business text messages a month! When I was working we turn OFF all phones during meetings. LOL I don't see the urgency in communicating with 5 people allat once."Met us at the Mall in front of Hollisters"???? LOL


Once something turns from a convenience to a necessity in life you are "owned" by those offering the service or product.. They can charge $25 a month for UL texting and those who really need it ( I still cannot see the grand importance.)People will HAVE to pay it.

People pay as much as $80 a month for TV?
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Joe, those who say they "can't" often mean they "won't".

Every new generation experiences technologies those in the previous generation somehow managed to live without. Everything from cars, refridgerators, television, computers, the Internet, and yes, texting.

As far as pricing goes, demand has always played a significant role, no matter what sector of business. Demand does not simply drop off, it shifts. Many factors play into this: convienience, trendiness, availablility, price, etc.

These factors can fluctuate in relation to one another. For example, high trendiness + low availability can increase demand despite high price (see iPhone).

Demand for texting will shift to another even more useful and trendy form of communi...
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taoareyou said:
Joe, those who say they "can't" often mean they "won't".

Every new generation experiences technologies those in the previous generation somehow managed to live without. Everything from cars, refridgerators, television, computers, the Internet, and yes, texting.

As far as pricing goes, demand has always played a significant role, no matter what sector of business. Demand does not simply drop off, it shifts. Many factors play into this: convienience, trendiness, availablility, price, etc.

These factors can fluctuate in relation to one another. For example, high trendiness + low availability can increase demand despite high price (see iPhone).

Demand for texting will shift to another even mo

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AvgJoe said:

taoareyou said:
Joe, those who say they "can't" often mean they "won't".

Every new generation experiences technologies those in the previous generation somehow managed to live without. Everything from cars, refridgerators, television, computers, the Internet, and yes, texting.

As far as pricing goes, demand has always played a significant role, no matter what sector of business. Demand does not simply drop off, it shifts. Many factors play into this: convienience, trendiness, availablility, price, etc.

These factors can fluctuate in relation to one another. For example, high trendiness + low availability can increase demand despite high price (see iPhone).

Demand for text

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jrfdsf said:

AvgJoe said:

taoareyou said:
Joe, those who say they "can't" often mean they "won't".

Every new generation experiences technologies those in the previous generation somehow managed to live without. Everything from cars, refridgerators, television, computers, the Internet, and yes, texting.

As far as pricing goes, demand has always played a significant role, no matter what sector of business. Demand does not simply drop off, it shifts. Many factors play into this: convienience, trendiness, availablility, price, etc.

These factors can fluctuate in relation to one another. For example, high trendiness + low availability can increase demand despite high price

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AvgJoe said:

jrfdsf said:

AvgJoe said:

taoareyou said:
Joe, those who say they "can't" often mean they "won't".

Every new generation experiences technologies those in the previous generation somehow managed to live without. Everything from cars, refridgerators, television, computers, the Internet, and yes, texting.

As far as pricing goes, demand has always played a significant role, no matter what sector of business. Demand does not simply drop off, it shifts. Many factors play into this: convienience, trendiness, availablility, price, etc.

These factors can fluctuate in relation to one another. For example, high trendiness + low availability can i

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You need to re evaluate your educational results

–noun
1. a person without any means of support, esp. a destitute person who depends on aid from public welfare funds or charity.
2. a very poor person.


Pauper my ass. LOL Just because one does not spend stupid money on $a $4 cup of coffee or a hundred dollars a year to text message does not make them a pauper. Paupers don't or can't buy $500 phones.....(2 of them just to see which one I like better)Paupers don't pay cash for A Fender VG, Taylor 414 and Martin DC Aura, and a Korg PA2x and Bose LT1 Mod II PA system in a six month period for cash, (do the math)Paupers CANNOT pay cash for NEW V Star 13OOLT S

Paupers don't sweat $4 gas, Paupers enjoy the fruits of their labors an...
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AvgJoe said:
You need to re evaluate your educational results

–noun
1. a person without any means of support, esp. a destitute person who depends on aid from public welfare funds or charity.
2. a very poor person.


Pauper my ass. LOL Just because one does not spend stupid money on $a $4 cup of coffee or a hundred dollars a year to text message does not make them a pauper. Paupers don't or can't buy $500 phones.....(2 of them just to see which one I like better)Paupers don't pay cash for A Fender VG, Taylor 414 and Martin DC Aura, and a Korg PA2x and Bose LT1 Mod II PA system in a six month period for cash, (do the math)Paupers CANNOT pay cash for NEW V Star 13OOLT S

Paupers don't sweat $4 gas, Paupers en

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adilus said:

AvgJoe said:
You need to re evaluate your educational results

–noun
1. a person without any means of support, esp. a destitute person who depends on aid from public welfare funds or charity.
2. a very poor person.


Pauper my ass. LOL Just because one does not spend stupid money on $a $4 cup of coffee or a hundred dollars a year to text message does not make them a pauper. Paupers don't or can't buy $500 phones.....(2 of them just to see which one I like better)Paupers don't pay cash for A Fender VG, Taylor 414 and Martin DC Aura, and a Korg PA2x and Bose LT1 Mod II PA system in a six month period for cash, (do the math)Paupers CANNOT pay cash for NEW V Star 13OOLT S

Paupe

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AvgJoe said:
IS that statement a result of your claimed graduate education,(while not knowing the meaning of the word ,pauper) or does it really bother you that you don't even know what the possibilities of life really are?
I pity you because my stated place in life is hardly at the heights that anyone cannot and has not already achieved.

You wold be surprised on how fast one can build funds midlife when one sacrifices in the early years and becomes debt free. My 23 year old Kids even know that.

You leave me no choice but to conclude you are so buried yourself that you cannot even fathom someone being able to pay even $8600 cash for a friggin motorcycle....and that given your stated education is very sad indeed

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Hey dude... I'm gonna be off for a bit. I hope you realize that this has been in all good fun and I just really wanted to irritate you how you've irritated the VZW forum. Have a good one and I'll be back when this bloody heat wave is over. I have very limited internet access in Tenerife... really its just data tethering and there is no 3g access there yet. Also, it is olive season and I will be helping to harvest olives and then it will be harvest time for grapes.

I love farming and mates of mine there have orchards and vineyards I help out on in the late summer and fall every year. Kind of reminds me of when my wife and first married... we traveled all throughout Spain, Italy, Greece and Crete, going from one co-op to another helpin...
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adilus said:
Hey dude... I'm gonna be off for a bit. I hope you realize that this has been in all good fun and I just really wanted to irritate you how you've irritated the VZW forum. Have a good one and I'll be back when this bloody heat wave is over. I have very limited internet access in Tenerife... really its just data tethering and there is no 3g access there yet. Also, it is olive season and I will be helping to harvest olives and then it will be harvest time for grapes.

I love farming and mates of mine there have orchards and vineyards I help out on in the late summer and fall every year. Kind of reminds me of when my wife and first married... we traveled all throughout Spain, Italy, Greece and Crete, going

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Hey if we're talking about awesome ways to spend our time, then I'd like to go spellunking in some long forgotten costal caves al la "The Goonies". 🤣

taoareyou said:
Hey if we're talking about awesome ways to spend our time, then I'd like to go spellunking in some long forgotten costal caves al la "The Goonies". 🤣

Didn't that take place in Maine?

To be honest, I have no idea where it was filmed. But Maine sounds plausible to me!

AvgJoe said:
All in all I'd rather take a plontoon boat down the South Carolina waterway with my family...

But to each their won..

Oh, you never told me you were a sailor. My dad was an officer in Her Majesty's Navy and every fall we would take holiday on the southern tip of England and along the way we would stop and see the boatyards of Portsmouth, Bournemouth, and Plymouth. We had a little cat we would take out but nothing really major. After I got out of the Navy, my wife and I lived in Christchurch (NZ) which is the sailing capital of the southern hemisphere. There we had a 12 metre cat that we would sail from Christchurch to Wellington. We would go out and see the sharks and dolphins and go d...
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adilus said:

AvgJoe said:
All in all I'd rather take a plontoon boat down the South Carolina waterway with my family...

But to each their won..

Oh, you never told me you were a sailor. My dad was an officer in Her Majesty's Navy and every fall we would take holiday on the southern tip of England and along the way we would stop and see the boatyards of Portsmouth, Bournemouth, and Plymouth. We had a little cat we would take out but nothing really major. After I got out of the Navy, my wife and I lived in Christchurch (NZ) which is the sailing capital of the southern hemisphere. There we had a 12 metre cat that we would sail from Christchurch to Wellington. We would go out and see

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adilus said:

AvgJoe said:
IS that statement a result of your claimed graduate education,(while not knowing the meaning of the word ,pauper) or does it really bother you that you don't even know what the possibilities of life really are?
I pity you because my stated place in life is hardly at the heights that anyone cannot and has not already achieved.

You wold be surprised on how fast one can build funds midlife when one sacrifices in the early years and becomes debt free. My 23 year old Kids even know that.

You leave me no choice but to conclude you are so buried yourself that you cannot even fathom someone being able to pay even $8600 cash for a friggin motorcycle....and that given your st

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Joe, I understand your observations about people being in debt. True, coffee was not $3 a cup 30 years ago, but you would be hard pressed to find any product that has not increased in price over 30 years.

My point, is that every generation has things they spend an excessive portion of their income on. Do you not recall as a youth how the older guys scoffed at "today's kids have it so easy"? Do you not recall the stories about walking to school barefoot, in the snow, uphill, both ways?

People have not really changed, ever since credit was invented there has been debt. The availability of credit has increased dramatically over the past 30 years. I would feel safe in betting that if people had access to the same level of debt produ...
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taoareyou said:
Joe, I understand your observations about people being in debt. True, coffee was not $3 a cup 30 years ago, but you would be hard pressed to find any product that has not increased in price over 30 years.

My point, is that every generation has things they spend an excessive portion of their income on. Do you not recall as a youth how the older guys scoffed at "today's kids have it so easy"? Do you not recall the stories about walking to school barefoot, in the snow, uphill, both ways?

People have not really changed, ever since credit was invented there has been debt. The availability of credit has increased dramatically over the past 30 years. I would feel safe in betting that if people had ac

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i hope my cat isnt on fire 😳

Don't worry, he has been safely extinguished. You might consider renaming him to "Patches" however. 😈

and t-mobile's network is junk
sprint is cheaper in everything (i have sprint btw)
regional carriers always tend to be cheaper because they dont have as much coverage (as a whole)

att and vzw are normally more expensive for a reason. they are better. be it coverage, equipment, CS, whatever. as a whole those 2 are better than the rest.

well apparently they have changed their bills. i got unlimited texting on all four lines for $20 a month when you could first get unlimited texting and i haven't changed my plan since and they haven't changed my bill since...
so maybe i'm "grandfathered" in, don't know, but i am not charged anything additional for my other three lines.....