Big and welcomed changes coming
There are a lot of things that will be changing that seem to be welcomed my many former AT&T customers, for instance, having the largest mobile to mobile coverage area in the country and access to rollover your unused minutes. Of course, these things might be require a new phone from Cingular, which isn't a bad thing either because if you're switching over, you probably will be eligible for discounts of some sort.
The best part is that Cingular is advertising that it's 46 million or so customers will have the widest variety of handsets to choose from. That seems to mean that, you can look at Verizon's lineup and say that ours here at Cingular will be much better. We can look forward to big, better, and appreciated changes in our wirele...
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The best part is that Cingular is advertising that it's 46 million or so customers will have the widest variety of handsets to choose from. That seems to mean that, you can look at Verizon's lineup and say that ours here at Cingular will be much better. We can look forward to big, better, and appreciated changes in our wirele...
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Personally I think our Line-up Has been better than Verizon's... Maybe not so much as quantity of phones offered... but definitely the queality... and our lineup for Nov is god awful gorgeous...
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and the unwelcomed changes are
less phone selection
charging for RECIEVED text messages
requirement to buy a new phone to switch to a cingular plan
data plans not so good
less phone selection
charging for RECIEVED text messages
requirement to buy a new phone to switch to a cingular plan
data plans not so good
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I agree with the above, but if you are migrating from ATTWS to Cingular they will give you another phone at a dicounted rate though
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but the thing that bothers me is that people with oh say a $600 device will HAVE to buy another one if they want to get onto a cingular plan, why not just supply the subsidy unlocking codes? ENS will be unnoticable
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Got this from a tech guru here. The phones won't handle the new SIM cards. Plus, they'd have to be reprogrammed with our data for MMS/SMS and WIX.
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That is incorrect there will be NO discounts with new phones...WHY? you may ask? Because they (Cingular) are not forcing you to change over nor are they requiring you to. You can stay with ATT and enjoy a bigger network or you can switch to Cingular and get Rollover, M2M and buy a new phone.
Now you can get the same deal someone walking in off the street can get, as far as if you sign a 2yr agreement you will get the 2yr agreement price for that phone, but just becuase you are a ATT cust. changing over does not mean you will get another discount on top of that.
Now you can get the same deal someone walking in off the street can get, as far as if you sign a 2yr agreement you will get the 2yr agreement price for that phone, but just becuase you are a ATT cust. changing over does not mean you will get another discount on top of that.
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The only discounts offered on phones will be w/ a contractual agreement either 1yr or 2 yr... And no we are not "forcing" ATTWS cust to migrate over but it will be necessary that they do... They will not be allowed to stay ATTWS forever... We will "migrate" them into Cingular willingly right now and i'm sure eventually will force into Cingular if the migration is not working... Right now however it is not being forced.
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How is there less phone selection? Might need to recheck your sources on that one, I would say that 39 phones is not less, in fact overall its the biggest selection, from one wireless company.
True you will be charged for receiving and sending wireless messages, but they have plans to cover that.
Yes you will be required to buy a new phone if YOU decide to switch to Cingular, but since Cingular is not forcing existing customers to change their plans, or phones that IMO should not be considered an unwelcome change.
And what, or who are you comparing your date plans too? Cingulars are very competative with all the other carriers.
True you will be charged for receiving and sending wireless messages, but they have plans to cover that.
Yes you will be required to buy a new phone if YOU decide to switch to Cingular, but since Cingular is not forcing existing customers to change their plans, or phones that IMO should not be considered an unwelcome change.
And what, or who are you comparing your date plans too? Cingulars are very competative with all the other carriers.
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About the 39 phones...is that what's coming to Cingular in the near future with the new company? If so, where did you get that info, so some of us have a better idea of what models are coming soon.
You are right, Cingular plans are already competitive with all carriers, and with a bigger (the biggest) wireless carrier in the country, i'm sure we will see more included in the current price of 19.99 a month for the MEdia package they offer.
I'm sure that most of us who post regularly here at phonescoop agree, a bigger company will untimately equal "bigger selection and better service" for all of us...if you are currently with Cingular or not, you'll probably be looking this way at some point, even if you don't port your number.
You are right, Cingular plans are already competitive with all carriers, and with a bigger (the biggest) wireless carrier in the country, i'm sure we will see more included in the current price of 19.99 a month for the MEdia package they offer.
I'm sure that most of us who post regularly here at phonescoop agree, a bigger company will untimately equal "bigger selection and better service" for all of us...if you are currently with Cingular or not, you'll probably be looking this way at some point, even if you don't port your number.
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Our Cingular trainers told us 39 phones avaliable. They would/could not give us any information on which phones those were going to be.
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We currently have 18 phones in most markets and I personally know of 6 phones coming up in the next lineup... What's the time window your "trainers" told you? Because I doubt we're adding 21 phones in a quarter's lineup... I don't even know of 21 new GSM phones worth offering.
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They said 30 days from the FCC aprovial is the tenitave day one and thats when they will be launching these phones. Supposidly they got a bunch of phones from sony erricson and another manufacture (can't remember off the top of my head) that will be exculsivly for cingular so they may not even show up in phonescoop here...We shall see.
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My Sony Ericsson rep was just in this morning and let me in that the s710a would be coming to Cingular soon. That's probably one of the mentioned models.
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I called Cingular's customer service and they told me that former AT&T customers will be able to migrate to Cingular's plans and phones on November 10th, and then in the former AT&T stores on November 15th.
There is talk of plenty of new phones to become exclusively available to Cingular. When AT&T's customer base is able to change over to Cingular in the next two weeks, we should expect several new phones to be released then. We are talking about Cingular advertising to the former AT&T's 20-some million customers to get them into a Cingular phone and plan...the new phones are well on their way to debut.
There is talk of plenty of new phones to become exclusively available to Cingular. When AT&T's customer base is able to change over to Cingular in the next two weeks, we should expect several new phones to be released then. We are talking about Cingular advertising to the former AT&T's 20-some million customers to get them into a Cingular phone and plan...the new phones are well on their way to debut.
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I know we'll have exclusives... and I also know that only 6 phones have been publicly announced but the problem with this statement is...
1) Reasearch & Development has already decided on the 4th quarter lineup.
2) There are 13 (give or take) days left until day one and the 4th quarter lineup which makes it impossible for last minute "additions"
3) Phone pricing lists have already started to ship to local retail stores.
4) The price list and phone lineup happens 4 times a year; every three months (give or take)
So theoretically speaking... Let's take our current 18 phones... add the 6 - 7 (benefit of the doubt) rumored and announced phones... That gives you 24 - 25... And from what you're saying, we're supposed to "secretly" come up...
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1) Reasearch & Development has already decided on the 4th quarter lineup.
2) There are 13 (give or take) days left until day one and the 4th quarter lineup which makes it impossible for last minute "additions"
3) Phone pricing lists have already started to ship to local retail stores.
4) The price list and phone lineup happens 4 times a year; every three months (give or take)
So theoretically speaking... Let's take our current 18 phones... add the 6 - 7 (benefit of the doubt) rumored and announced phones... That gives you 24 - 25... And from what you're saying, we're supposed to "secretly" come up...
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Destructo,
Do you have any idea what phones will be available and when? Hopefully some flip phone by Nokia.
Thanks
Do you have any idea what phones will be available and when? Hopefully some flip phone by Nokia.
Thanks
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less phone selection? thats just ridiculous. someone is obviously uninformed.
in terms of hot new phones we have or are getting soon:
samsung e317
Nokia 6230
" Ngage QD
" 6620
" 7610
Moto v551
Moto Razr
All of these are very feature packed phones, not to mention some of the other good phones in the lineup...
3120
C61
T237
T637
6010
V220
V180
not to mention the blackberry devices and soon to come more PDA style devices such as the mpx220
Now you try and say theres no selection...or go educate yourself. You're on a PHONE site for god sakes.
in terms of hot new phones we have or are getting soon:
samsung e317
Nokia 6230
" Ngage QD
" 6620
" 7610
Moto v551
Moto Razr
All of these are very feature packed phones, not to mention some of the other good phones in the lineup...
3120
C61
T237
T637
6010
V220
V180
not to mention the blackberry devices and soon to come more PDA style devices such as the mpx220
Now you try and say theres no selection...or go educate yourself. You're on a PHONE site for god sakes.
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correction...bigger selection
yeah...
you don't have to buy a phone at full price..and DON'T have to change to cingular phones unless you want a cingular plan..you can stay with your attws phone for a year or more before you have to change...even then you can upgrade with some phones for free or at a discounted price...and you attws contracts will be forgiven.
yeah...
you don't have to buy a phone at full price..and DON'T have to change to cingular phones unless you want a cingular plan..you can stay with your attws phone for a year or more before you have to change...even then you can upgrade with some phones for free or at a discounted price...and you attws contracts will be forgiven.
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how can one person make so many mistakes in ONE post?
Cingular will continue to offer the LARGEST selection of phones of ANY carrier in the US.
I believe ATT was the ONLY carrier that didn't charge for incoming messages. Cingular offers very good media packages.
YES, you will have to buy or GET a new Cingular phone in order to get onto a Cingular rate plan. The reason for this is because ATT phones do not have the ability to use Cingular's features. The customers who keep their ATT phones WILL be able to use voice features on the extended network. As I understand it, ALL ATT customers will have the opportunity to migrate to CSE plans and get an upgraded phone. Even one's who got a new phone from ATTWS yesterday.
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Cingular will continue to offer the LARGEST selection of phones of ANY carrier in the US.
I believe ATT was the ONLY carrier that didn't charge for incoming messages. Cingular offers very good media packages.
YES, you will have to buy or GET a new Cingular phone in order to get onto a Cingular rate plan. The reason for this is because ATT phones do not have the ability to use Cingular's features. The customers who keep their ATT phones WILL be able to use voice features on the extended network. As I understand it, ALL ATT customers will have the opportunity to migrate to CSE plans and get an upgraded phone. Even one's who got a new phone from ATTWS yesterday.
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ok how about
2mb for $9.99? wtf? how is that better then AWS?
500kb for 2.99? um sorry but those plans are not better then AWS
the only thing that i see is good is the MEdia Works package for $19.99, but still they are behind tmobile as far as any sort of messaging/data plans go, tmobile did offer unlimited 9.99 text/instant messaging which is currently not avalible but is going to return come christmas time, t mobile only charges .05 per txt sent and recieved, which basically is the same that AWS charges (.10 to send free to recieve), how are they a leader in data? they dont have a UMTS network that is publically avalible, AWS has UMTS networks in place in 6 locations, which i am sure is going to be cingulars big push....i keep he...
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2mb for $9.99? wtf? how is that better then AWS?
500kb for 2.99? um sorry but those plans are not better then AWS
the only thing that i see is good is the MEdia Works package for $19.99, but still they are behind tmobile as far as any sort of messaging/data plans go, tmobile did offer unlimited 9.99 text/instant messaging which is currently not avalible but is going to return come christmas time, t mobile only charges .05 per txt sent and recieved, which basically is the same that AWS charges (.10 to send free to recieve), how are they a leader in data? they dont have a UMTS network that is publically avalible, AWS has UMTS networks in place in 6 locations, which i am sure is going to be cingulars big push....i keep he...
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What kind of lineup, in the way of phones, are we going to see in November, just 3 or 4, or more than that? Hopefully it's too many to count on two hands.
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the line up is going to include 39 phones. That doesn't mean 39 new phones but that includes the current 64k phones. Still i think that's like 15 new phones or so (but then again i just do care and can't count very well).
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Our trainer also told us that many of the new phones would be exclusive to Cingular. From what we were told the buying power Cingular will now have with the manufacturers is great enough to do this. Was anyone else told this?
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I have another question for you. My understanding of the training was that if a AT&T customer or a current Cingular customer wanted any of the new plans they would have to get one of the new Cingular phones due to the 64k sim cards. Is this true or did I misunderstand. The reason I ask is because I've seen posts and also heard other reps around my center saying otherwise. I'm still just TDMA and can only go by what I'm told because the SIM card compatibility is something I can only speculate on.
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That is correct. In order for an AWS legacy customer to get one of the "New Cingular" plans they MUST get a new 64k (ENS) Cingular phone. No more TDMA phones will be avaliable. and even GSM customers don't have ENS cabable phones so they will have to get a new phone to change to the "New Cingular" Plans (yes i do quote new cingular for a reason 😛)
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Vox Dei said:
That is correct. In order for an AWS legacy customer to get one of the "New Cingular" plans they MUST get a new 64k (ENS) Cingular phone. No more TDMA phones will be avaliable. and even GSM customers don't have ENS cabable phones so they will have to get a new phone to change to the "New Cingular" Plans (yes i do quote new cingular for a reason 😛)
not necessairly true, if the customer has an unlocked phone it will work fine with the 64k sim you just wont have ENS, which you wouldnt even notice anyway, the 64k sim is the exact same size as the current AWS sim
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well, if an ATT customer gets an unlocked phone that is not ENS, then they will not be able to use all of their data features in all areas. that's the only downfall.
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ZERO data features will be available. GPRS, EDGE, UMTS.
as far as your claim of ATT offering better data... the "data" i am speaking of is DATA PLANS. the data you are speaking of is data FEATURES.
with attws you get "mini mmode" for 2.99/ month. what exactly is mini? is it MORE than 500kb? I think it's the same.
MMode and Wireless internet Express are NOT used for wireless data via phone modem.
Once again you are bringing up tmobile... although tmobile offers MORE in minutes and messages because they have a tiny network...
as far as your claim of ATT offering better data... the "data" i am speaking of is DATA PLANS. the data you are speaking of is data FEATURES.
with attws you get "mini mmode" for 2.99/ month. what exactly is mini? is it MORE than 500kb? I think it's the same.
MMode and Wireless internet Express are NOT used for wireless data via phone modem.
Once again you are bringing up tmobile... although tmobile offers MORE in minutes and messages because they have a tiny network...
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Thank you Cain... I used to believe T-Mobile really had their sh()t together until I needed to change my rate plan, contract extension even though the contract had just started 2 months earlier... then I moved and was told by 3 different reps I'd have coverage, nothing. The only thing T-Mobile is good for is giving unlock codes, and their Hot Spots... other than that they need to sell out to Cingular as well...
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why will the data networks be unavalible? that makes no sense? what makes them unavalible?
i have no issues with tmobiles network in california, nor to i have issues with the AWS network or the cingular network, its all about who can offer me the best plans at this point, but the fact of the matter is the SMT5600 is probably one of the most bad ass smart phones i have ever used and i want it but i dont want to be jacked by cingular at a later date, which means i plan on unlocking it and possibly using it on cingular yet i do not see how in the world it would not be able to access the cingular data network.....care to elaborate?
i have no issues with tmobiles network in california, nor to i have issues with the AWS network or the cingular network, its all about who can offer me the best plans at this point, but the fact of the matter is the SMT5600 is probably one of the most bad ass smart phones i have ever used and i want it but i dont want to be jacked by cingular at a later date, which means i plan on unlocking it and possibly using it on cingular yet i do not see how in the world it would not be able to access the cingular data network.....care to elaborate?
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still waiting for a response cainmarko, and here is another thought
if the 64k sim will disallow the use of the cingular data services in unlocked devices (assuming because they are not ENS compatable), then how come cingular branded phones that are not ENS compatable can get the SIM and have no issues using data services?
well?
if the 64k sim will disallow the use of the cingular data services in unlocked devices (assuming because they are not ENS compatable), then how come cingular branded phones that are not ENS compatable can get the SIM and have no issues using data services?
well?
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still waiting for a response
Well that's awesome. There's no need to post about it. 🙄
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JessiCSR said:
Just be patient...it's not like everyone is on the site all the time...
They're not!?!?!? hehehe
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It may or may not work... It has nothing to do with the ENS. It has to do with the fact that some phones are shipped to carriers from the manufacturers with settings already pre-configured. Some phones allow you to change these setting with no problem, while other may not even give you the option of changing the settings.
Theoretically speaking though, if your phone is unlocked, supports ENS, and is configured to our Data Settings it should work fine.
Theoretically speaking though, if your phone is unlocked, supports ENS, and is configured to our Data Settings it should work fine.
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here's why:
The new 64k sim cards are required to search for BOTH networks. Without the capacity of the new sim card, the phones just recognize the home networks and NOT the EXTENDED network. The phones will just say "cingular extend" or "roaming" and just like CDMA, most data features will not be available. It's the same reason a VZW customer can't use a Sprint phone for data. There are propietary features that are just not compatible.
The new sim card allows for the capacity to recognize AND choose the best network available.
If you don't understand it by NOW, I don't know how else to explain it to you.
The new 64k sim cards are required to search for BOTH networks. Without the capacity of the new sim card, the phones just recognize the home networks and NOT the EXTENDED network. The phones will just say "cingular extend" or "roaming" and just like CDMA, most data features will not be available. It's the same reason a VZW customer can't use a Sprint phone for data. There are propietary features that are just not compatible.
The new sim card allows for the capacity to recognize AND choose the best network available.
If you don't understand it by NOW, I don't know how else to explain it to you.
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CainMarko said:
here's why:
The new 64k sim cards are required to search for BOTH networks. Without the capacity of the new sim card, the phones just recognize the home networks and NOT the EXTENDED network. The phones will just say "cingular extend" or "roaming" and just like CDMA, most data features will not be available. It's the same reason a VZW customer can't use a Sprint phone for data. There are propietary features that are just not compatible.
The new sim card allows for the capacity to recognize AND choose the best network available.
If you don't understand it by NOW, I don't know how else to explain it to you.
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CainMarko said:
here's why:
The new 64k sim cards are required to search for BOTH networks. Without the capacity of the new sim card, the phones just recognize the home networks and NOT the EXTENDED network. The phones will just say "cingular extend" or "roaming" and just like CDMA, most data features will not be available. It's the same reason a VZW customer can't use a Sprint phone for data. There are propietary features that are just not compatible.
The new sim card allows for the capacity to recognize AND choose the best network available.
If you don't understand it by NOW, I don't know how else to explain it to you.
that explains voice services but it does not explain the data services, if that w...
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here's why:
The new 64k sim cards are required to search for BOTH networks. Without the capacity of the new sim card, the phones just recognize the home networks and NOT the EXTENDED network. The phones will just say "cingular extend" or "roaming" and just like CDMA, most data features will not be available. It's the same reason a VZW customer can't use a Sprint phone for data. There are propietary features that are just not compatible.
The new sim card allows for the capacity to recognize AND choose the best network available.
If you don't understand it by NOW, I don't know how else to explain it to you.
that explains voice services but it does not expla
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not at all jinx, but please explain why the data services would not work with the 64k sim?
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not at all jinx, but please explain why the data services would not work with the 64k sim?
they would
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jinx7676 said:temp said:
not at all jinx, but please explain why the data services would not work with the 64k sim?
they would
you freakin rule......finally a str8 answer, now if someone have a US unlock for the SMT 5600 i would be in business
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jinx7676 said:...temp said:CainMarko said:
here's why:
The new 64k sim cards are required to search for BOTH networks. Without the capacity of the new sim card, the phones just recognize the home networks and NOT the EXTENDED network. The phones will just say "cingular extend" or "roaming" and just like CDMA, most data features will not be available. It's the same reason a VZW customer can't use a Sprint phone for data. There are propietary features that are just not compatible.
The new sim card allows for the capacity to recognize AND choose the best network available.
If you don't understand it by NOW, I don't know how else to explain it to you.
that explains v
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SBacklin said:
Since it's being said that the new 64K SIM will allow you to choose which network you prefer, Blue or Orange, can you also set the phone to utilize both networks at the same time by have the phone choose whatever tower/network in the area has the stronger signal regardless if it's C. Blue or C. Orange?
it wont allow YOU to choose, it will allow CINGULAR to choose.
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jinx7676 said:SBacklin said:
Since it's being said that the new 64K SIM will allow you to choose which network you prefer, Blue or Orange, can you also set the phone to utilize both networks at the same time by have the phone choose whatever tower/network in the area has the stronger signal regardless if it's C. Blue or C. Orange?
it wont allow YOU to choose, it will allow CINGULAR to choose.
Ok, that answers it, thanks.
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Because the phone is flashed for the carrier that it was made for... you can unlock a phone and use another service providers sim card and voice calls and text message will work, but no multi media or other data can be used. If you get it oem unlocked or can flash it back to how it was when it was shipped from the manufacture, then it will work...
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The carrier usually does it... you can buy software to do it, sometimes you can find 3rd party places that will do it...
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most phones its done with a numeric code, i can unlock any nokia very easily, tmobiel freely hands out their unlock codes, all i want is the damn SMT 5600 and i dont want to be raped when cingular comes thru telling me i cant use it
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JJMcClain said:
Because the phone is flashed for the carrier that it was made for... you can unlock a phone and use another service providers sim card and voice calls and text message will work, but no multi media or other data can be used. If you get it oem unlocked or can flash it back to how it was when it was shipped from the manufacture, then it will work...
i dont care about MMS, i dont send that, i care about using the web from the phone
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Ok... it was flashed with that providers settings... like taking a Dell operating system and trying to make it work for a mac... can't be done... unless, it was sent oem unlocked from the man. that is the only way... some phones the settings can be changed, but most carriers demand that that function be removed when they order it from the manufacture
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JJMcClain said:
Ok... it was flashed with that providers settings... like taking a Dell operating system and trying to make it work for a mac... can't be done... unless, it was sent oem unlocked from the man. that is the only way... some phones the settings can be changed, but most carriers demand that that function be removed when they order it from the manufacture
i dont think i understand this, any GSM phone can be unlocked, reflashing it just removes the branding of the phone, so why would these phones NOT work on cingulars data network? i mean how many more times to i have to ask this question to get a specific answer? the voice network and the network selection is understandable but it does not exp...
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From what I'm understanding here, if the phone is flashed either back to original manufacture default settings it will work. If you just get it unlocked and don't get it flashed you'll still be using the previous providers settings and it will not be compatible with the new providers data settings. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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sleekcat said:
From what I'm understanding here, if the phone is flashed either back to original manufacture default settings it will work. If you just get it unlocked and don't get it flashed you'll still be using the previous providers settings and it will not be compatible with the new providers data settings. Correct me if I'm wrong.
you dont need to flash a phone to have the provider settings, once a phone is unlocked it can accept any company's sim card and use their voice services, its a matter of configuring the data settings on the phone, which is why most phones have multiple lines for settings because you can enter in multiple provider settings and select the one you want to use, which is wh...
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Right but some phones do not give you the option, which is why the flash would be necessary. Some phones will not let you change any Data Settings or let you change and not save.
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Thank You, that was more or less the impression I was getting I just wanted to try and clarify it.So some phones do have the option to do it yourself manually but a provider can request that the phones they are ordering for their customers will not have that option available?
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subsidy lock is requested by the service provider to the MFG, you cannot lock out the "subsidy unlock" feature, its just not possible, one way or another it can be unlocked, right now there is no way to unlock the SMT5600 and to retain the 850 band, but that should be resolved soon
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I don't know if it's a carrier request or not. I'd imagine it would be. I don't see why they do this on top of a SIM lock though.
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speck said:
I don't know if it's a carrier request or not. I'd imagine it would be. I don't see why they do this on top of a SIM lock though.
the audiovox has this program lock on it on top of the sim lock, its pretty stupid but there is an easy way to disable it
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i know the audovox isn't the only manufacturer to do it... There's not a public list of the phones that have a peripheral block on top of the SIM lock... but it is stupid to do, i agree
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speck said:
i know the audovox isn't the only manufacturer to do it... There's not a public list of the phones that have a peripheral block on top of the SIM lock... but it is stupid to do, i agree
yeah so is a subsidy lock
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If it is, it can be used... If you have a phone that is fully unlocked (including wap settings) and the phone is provisioned to accept, then it will work...
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If it is, it can be used... If you have a phone that is fully unlocked (including wap settings) and the phone is provisioned to accept, then it will work...
wap settings are not locked on any phone that i have ever used, you have the option to select different settings, hell tmobile even can send the settings to phones they dont carry (they sent the 6820 settings to my 6820), the 6820 is my backup for tmobile i use it on AWS for now
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cingular and att have always been butt-buddies. the only difference is now they have come out the closet. the service is still gay, the phones might have cool toys but it is still gsm. years behind iden and centuries behind cdma, when the dump those sim cards and gsm then they will have comp for verizon.
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kof said:
cingular and att have always been butt-buddies. the only difference is now they have come out the closet. the service is still gay, the phones might have cool toys but it is still gsm. years behind iden and centuries behind cdma, when the dump those sim cards and gsm then they will have comp for verizon.
AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH *gasp* AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH
im sorry but the rest of the world operates on GSM and WCDMA, CDMA is ancient technology
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verizon was the biggest carrier for a while til the two(cingular and att) combined does that make them better?
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kof said:
verizon was the biggest carrier for a while til the two(cingular and att) combined does that make them better?
AHAHAHAHA
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temp said:kof said:
cingular and att have always been butt-buddies. the only difference is now they have come out the closet. the service is still gay, the phones might have cool toys but it is still gsm. years behind iden and centuries behind cdma, when the dump those sim cards and gsm then they will have comp for verizon.
AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH *gasp* AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH
im sorry but the rest of the world operates on GSM and WCDMA, CDMA is ancient technology
Dammit, you stole my response..but here it goes anyhow...
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jinx7676 said:...temp said:kof said:
cingular and att have always been butt-buddies. the only difference is now they have come out the closet. the service is still gay, the phones might have cool toys but it is still gsm. years behind iden and centuries behind cdma, when the dump those sim cards and gsm then they will have comp for verizon.
AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH *gasp* AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH
im sorry but the rest of the world operates on GSM and WCDMA, CDMA is ancient technology
Dammit, you stole my response..but here it goes anyhow...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH HAH
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temp said:kof said:
cingular and att have always been butt-buddies. the only difference is now they have come out the closet. the service is still gay, the phones might have cool toys but it is still gsm. years behind iden and centuries behind cdma, when the dump those sim cards and gsm then they will have comp for verizon.
AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH *gasp* AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH
im sorry but the rest of the world operates on GSM and WCDMA, CDMA is ancient technology
Don't know what you're smokin' but CDMA is by far a newer technology. GSM is what is ancient. Granted, more people are currently using GSM but that doesn't make it newer than CDMA.
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SBacklin said:...temp said:kof said:
cingular and att have always been butt-buddies. the only difference is now they have come out the closet. the service is still gay, the phones might have cool toys but it is still gsm. years behind iden and centuries behind cdma, when the dump those sim cards and gsm then they will have comp for verizon.
AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH *gasp* AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH
im sorry but the rest of the world operates on GSM and WCDMA, CDMA is ancient technology
Don't know what you're smokin' but CDMA is by far a newer technology. GSM is what is ancient. Granted, more people are currently using GSM but that does
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CDMA came out in the late 80s... so... gsm is older...
check out www.gsmworld.com
check out www.gsmworld.com
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actually, the first live network for GSM went operational in 91 and Europe mandated it in 92. all european carriers were GSM by 1992. CDMA is actually a MUCH older technology. It was conceived of in the late 40's and used for military applications. GPS is an example of CDMA technology. The first wireless CDMA network went live in 1995, 3 years after GSM. So, cdma is actually older, but it's been used for wireless phones for 3 years LESS than GSM.
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CainMarko said:
actually, the first live network for GSM went operational in 91 and Europe mandated it in 92. all european carriers were GSM by 1992. CDMA is actually a MUCH older technology. It was conceived of in the late 40's and used for military applications. GPS is an example of CDMA technology. The first wireless CDMA network went live in 1995, 3 years after GSM. So, cdma is actually older, but it's been used for wireless phones for 3 years LESS than GSM.
w00t i was right 🤣
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Ok... The CDMA thing i did not know... but gsm has been active since mid 80's in europe...
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No. GSM has been active in Europe since 1991. I think you may be confusing it with AMPS or TDMA.
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Are you sure? I heard it was '86 but i don't remember where i heard that so i may not know what i'm talking about.
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Ok... when it was commercially released as the Euro standard??? Becuase it's been around since 82-84...
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