Yes its larger ,Verizon relies on old digital technology and analog signal as well.So its ore reliable now that we have full acces to both our towers (cingular and att) the service is a lot more reliable now

Thanks for the info, Agent D.

AGENT DEBIT said:
Yes its larger ,Verizon relies on old digital technology and analog signal as well.So its more reliable now that we have full acces to both our towers (cingular and att) the service is a lot more reliable now

More reliable than Verizon? Hmmm.. Were still gaining around a million more customers per quarter then both AT&T and Cingular combined. Maybe those millions of people switch to Verizon because they prefer a "less reliable" network. 🙄 yea maybe not.


-Verizon Wireless Sales

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The person talking about VZW using old technology needs to study up on technology. Also, new independent study out that gave VZW A's and a B in coverage, customer service and reliability while both Cingular and the old AT&T company got C's across the board. Read up on what Wall Street is saying when it talks about the difficulty that the company will go through in transition and then we'll talk.

not to mention, they've had the combined Cingular for less than a week and there is already someone spouting off about Cingular being more reliable now. How the hell would you know??? Like you've had time to test all the towers...ATT was in shambles and you can honestly say that after a week you've fixed all of ATT issues??? I'm calling bull sh!t on this one

TheVZWMan said:
not to mention, they've had the combined Cingular for less than a week and there is already someone spouting off about Cingular being more reliable now. How the hell would you know??? Like you've had time to test all the towers...ATT was in shambles and you can honestly say that after a week you've fixed all of ATT issues??? I'm calling bull sh!t on this one

reliability will improve GREATLY with the combined network being used efficiently, hence the reason why 64k sims are being introduced. it may not inprove right away in 100% of the coverage area, but a good portion of it will from here on out.

understandably and I'm not debating that EVENTUALLY that will occur...but to have people talking about how Cingular is more dependable and more broad, coverage wise, than VZW less than a week after as big a merger as this has been is complete bull! And I'm calling you on it. Just because the merger has been approved doesn't mean that everything is complete...especially since you weren't even able to touch ATT towers and such until the Merger was approved...so you are just now able to get in there and see what exactly you got goin on...

Go back home Verizon man...you words mean nothing here 😁

oh but I beg to differ....if thats the case then try keeping Cain on a short leash and in your own forum...hehehe

Funny thing is... I usually know what I'm talking about when I walk in the VZW forum...

I've been corrected, but usually I'm correcting you guys because you VZW guys(not neccessarily you) just can't mention cingular without spewing a bunch of misinfo... that's the ONLY reason I even respond to any of those posts... Usually people are bashing my company on bogus info...

Oh, and the ATT tower thing is true... Cingular and ATT have been sharing towers in NYC for 2 months now... combined, they offer better service than any other provider...

and you ought to know better about Cain and leashes.... heheheh 😈

Okay I stand corrected, but from what Phonepimp had said previously(by the way where the hell has he been), Cingular would not be able to get any actual tower info or be allowed onto the sites until after the merger was completed...that being the case I figured that the Cingular footprint would not have changed until everything was approved

and even then it would have been a **** load more time before they would have been able to start fixing the ATT problem...hehehe

attws' problems are about 95% administration based problems... the GSM launch was horrific just because of how they did it, but they ave officially straightened up. Their GSM network is quite good now, actually. most of our customers can't tell the difference. It just says cingular extend when they are on an att tower.

oh, and phonepimp has been mia for a while now... don't know....

So you Cingular boy's whipped ATT back into line?

nah, we whipped ourselves right into selling mode. well, at least upper management did w/ some massive failures

Let's just say that they were told it was in their "best interests" to straighten up before we dumped 41 billion in their bank account. They did an AMAZING job.

yeah... "technically" cingular can't and they didn't. They opened the roaming ... basically they agreed to offer each other free roaming...

yeah but with that you really don't get any knowledge of the shape of towers or the location of towers until now, because up till then they weren't Cingular property...so that being the case you really can't say what kind of shape the network is in...judging by churn rates, might be a bumpy ride...hehehe

there is bound to always be bumpy with a merger of this magnitude. but Cingular didn't pay all that money for nothing. they must have seen something your blind a$$ didn't.

How could they have seen anything...it wasn't there property...they must have been trespassing...somebody call the cops...and I'm nearsighted not blind..hehehe...they paid for the name face it...AT&T is a big name to buy out...hehehe

not just the NAME... they wanted the network.... The network and the customers were worth the money... it could have been called Bob's Cellular and it would still be worth it. If they wanted the name, they would have bought the name too... Why would they trade a better name(cingular) for a lesser name(att)...

You have to realize that Cingular has the cash to make it work... their parent companies made more money(profit) last year than all SIX of the top national wireless carriers combined... Cingular is the most "cash rich" company in wireless today. They'll have no problem making it work.

CainMarko said:
not just the NAME... they wanted the network.... The network and the customers were worth the money... it could have been called Bob's Cellular and it would still be worth it. If they wanted the name, they would have bought the name too... Why would they trade a better name(cingular) for a lesser name(att)...

You have to realize that Cingular has the cash to make it work... their parent companies made more money(profit) last year than all SIX of the top national wireless carriers combined... Cingular is the most "cash rich" company in wireless today. They'll have no problem making it work.

Wow you spread your dumbness around dont ya? Go look at the profits Verizon made (because of us ad...
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Actually Cain... We did buy the ATTWS name... Yes the network and the customers was well worth the transaction but the only reason it was $41 billion was because it is the ATTWS name... If it was Bob's Cellular we wouldn't have come close to the $41 billion... In all mergers not only are you buying the product but the name has a huge impact on the analysis towards the total amount a company will put out for a buy out.

speck said:
Actually Cain... We did buy the ATTWS name... Yes the network and the customers was well worth the transaction but the only reason it was $41 billion was because it is the ATTWS name... If it was Bob's Cellular we wouldn't have come close to the $41 billion... In all mergers not only are you buying the product but the name has a huge impact on the analysis towards the total amount a company will put out for a buy out.

I rest my case

Note that we did buy the name, but only for 2 years or so. AT&T gets it back after that and can re-introduce service under that name. Funny thing is that I'm hearing they want to do that under sprint's network. Don't know how much of that is hearsay though.

Actually I believe AT&T gets the name back within 6 months, if I'm not mistaken. At least that is what PhonePimp originally said.

ATT gets the name back after 6 months actually. They'll then offer service under their name using Sprint's network. Like that won't be confusing

eww..Sprint. 😕

ewww is right. i used to say the only thing good about Sprint was their wide array of flip phones, but Cingular (and AT&T Wireless) finally caught up in that dept...

Cingular relinquishes their right to the name in 6 months or so, but there is a period where neither company can use the name. It was either 1 year or 2 years, I don't remember which.

The name AT&T was NOT bought. It was used under a licensing agreement. It is the sole property of AT&T and will be taken away from the now former AWS in 6 months.

Thats what I meant...hehehe

Someone else said it already, but no we did not buy the name... We get to use the name for 6 months... then it goes back to big daddy AT&T and they are going to start up new service... like Virgin Mobile does, offer it, but no network of their own.

You didn't understand what I meant... we did buy the name... and will maintain ATTWS purchasing right w/ ATT for an additional 12 - 15 months... That's not buying the name?

Cingular (i.e. its parent companies) shelled out $41B USD for ATTWS. They might have paid less if it had been an acquisition of a smaller, not-as-well-known company. They did not however, -buy- the rights to the name AT&T. That was on loan from AT&T to ATTWS. If Cingular hadn't bought AT&T Wireless, -eventually- we would have given the name back to AT&T. In fact, with all the issues experienced (that caused the company to go up for sale in the first place), ATTWS almost had the name yanked from them. So, 6 months after Day 1, the name will revert back to AT&T. They then plan to offer cellular service (and most likely will offer bundled billing) again, using the name they own, but setting it up for use on the Sprint PCS (or EV-DO eventually.....
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Ok answer this then...

Why cant you get NEW service with Cingular/AT&T if you live in Montana?

If you are the biggest and best company shouldnt you be able to cover more than Verizon?

And if you ever go to Montana you will notice, NO Cingular stores or kiosks. Until Cingular gets stores there Verizon has no competition. Anyone else agree?

Well you know what? Verizon doesn't have coverage in louisiana AND mississippi outside the main thuroughfairs, and cingular works without a hitch....I know. I live there.

There are places that certain companies don't cover, that thier competition does...it's called.."COMPETITION."
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cingular does have some coverage on the highways and interstates, I believe...not all of them though. *shrug*


"MY COMPANY'S PENIS IS BIGGER THAN YOUR COMPANY'S PENIS!"


I just love saying that.

I've always pictured Cingular as a big beautiful transvestite. Kind of like David Bowie or Prince.

Yeah! and 9 out of 10 sheep die from malnutrition every year! 🙂

*Just supporting a fellow Cingular Rep*

speck said:
You didn't understand what I meant... we did buy the name... and will maintain ATTWS purchasing right w/ ATT for an additional 12 - 15 months... That's not buying the name?

Ok... I misunderstood what you were implying... never mind...

amen!! You must have lunch with Ed Witacre. the man's goal is to be #1. with his bonus of over 10 million last year.

Guys!!! It's too early to speculate. Cingular and old AT&T have to swallow each other whole first. There are enough issues just making this merger work, the jury will be out for a while on this topic.

Get out of Flame-mode, buddy. Geez. 👿

No flaming there Jessi, just facts...sorry!

As of right now, Cingualr is the #1 largest cellualr provider in the US. Verizon HAD the most customer base, just ahead of ATTWS (maybe if ATTWS bouight 6-7 providers, they'd have been that big too) now that Cingular and ATTWS have merged, Cingular is now the largest Wireless provider in the US

Let's just put it this way... there was a "war room" designed by both ATTWS and Cingular and under legal scrutiny of the FCC and the DOJ. They went under lock and key to determine the actual ins and outs of what would be required to make the merger happen. they also determined if the "buy" would be in the best interest of both companies. They had ALL the vital company info billing systems and networks and every other "secret" piece of info. This allowed the companies to share information in the war room but not share the info with the rest of the 2 companies. The "war room" has stated that the GSM infrastructure of ATTWS is "superb" and will need only minor tweeks to work in unison with cingular's network.

An open roaming agreement does not require the completion of the merger. That's just the big wigs on either side counting on it happening and reconfiguring the networks to work like one.

understandable, but my point was...even as an extended network roaming agreement you do not originally get info about the actual towers...all you can do is look at a map and say "Oh yeah you can use your phone there". But to actually break down the actual location of towers technology used on towers etc. they have to be your property, and up until this week Cingular did not OWN those towers!

I seriously doubt ATTWS is keeping it a secret, seeing as we used to pay to use those towers, and I'm sure whatever department handles that would like to know what they are paying for.

how about you go out there vzwman....in Long Island NY, they already started to use the ATT tower....this happened 2 months ago. the service out there is FAR BETTER then vz's. don't talk about things you don't know anything about.

This has already been discussed...if one were to believe that 1 cellular service covered every area in the entire US to where there are no problems with dropped calls...etc. etc. etc. then one would need to put down the crack pipe...therefore your arguement is not effective there PROTEL, because for every area that you say VZW does not work I could counter with an area that Cingular is crap and VZW rules...therefore it would go on and on with no end...try something new there big guy

i can piss farther than anyone! 🤣

all i'm saying is don't talk about things you have no knowledge about. you have no true fact about Cingular. come back when you learn something that is true

I would say that Cingular is much more reliable than Verizon, considering where I am located. Verizon's network is horrible in the south. The closest tower from here is atleast 3 hours away. Cingular in my opinion is the best cell phone carrier in the USA.

Well that is your opinion and you are entitled to it...there are areas where Cingular is better than VZW and areas where VZW is better than Cingular...just a good example of using whatever cell company works best for you!

Justin RS said:
I would say that Cingular is much more reliable than Verizon, considering where I am located. Verizon's network is horrible in the south. The closest tower from here is atleast 3 hours away. Cingular in my opinion is the best cell phone carrier in the USA.

Cingular? the best carrier in the U.S.?

You must not believe in surveys, or statistics, or ratings.. or being from the desolate part of the south, maybe you don't know how to read them.


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Say what you will regarding the Cingular vs Verizon debate... But why insult the south? That was simply uncalled for.

85percent said:

Justin RS said:
I would say that Cingular is much more reliable than Verizon, considering where I am located. Verizon's network is horrible in the south. The closest tower from here is atleast 3 hours away. Cingular in my opinion is the best cell phone carrier in the USA.

Cingular? the best carrier in the U.S.?

You must not believe in surveys, or statistics, or ratings.. or being from the desolate part of the south, maybe you don't know how to read them.


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Watch what you say about the south... and in the south it is legacy Bell South Mobility, Cingular has always had good coverage down here... And and opinion is just that... And for what is ...
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or maybe.. there has never been a study that shows what carrier is best in the ENTIRE nation. the best VZW can claim is that a "survey" in 12 cities said they were better LAST year. you must be proud.

85percent said:
Cingular? the best carrier in the U.S.?

You must not believe in surveys, or statistics, or ratings.. or being from the desolate part of the south, maybe you don't know how to read them.


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Who do you think you are? Are you saying that even though verizon has no coverage where we live, we should go with them anyway?
And you're really doing things for verizon's reputation by insulting the place that doesn't have good coverage. Seriously, if you work for verizon, there's no way in hell I'm going with you guys.

Rock on Jessi...

Likewise.

Yea Tell them like it is!! 🤣

Honestly, do you think it's statistics that the general public cares about? It's whoever offers a free camera phone and the most anytime minutes. It's all marketing. Anyone can say they have the best network, and that's all subjective. Verizon has just done a better job marketing it's services than Cingular or AT&T.

Larger network means more capacity AND better coverage... so YES.