I don't get Cingular's data plans...
I was at a Cingular store recently, playing with a Nokia E62 smartphone and I loved it to death. Even though it was a smartphone, I found it easier to navigate than a PDA, especially web browsing. It seemed very powerful too. So, just to look to see if it's worth it to switch so I can get the E62, I looked at Cingular's data rates. Unlimited Smartphone Connect with Xpress mail for $19.99 a month. Awesome! But when I viewed the E62 and clicked the Services tab, it says PDA connect plans. Why is that? The E62 is a smartphone, shouldn't it have Smartphone data plans? If someone could explain to me about data plans, I'd love it. Thanks!
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Wireless Buddy said:
I was at a Cingular store recently, playing with a Nokia E62 smartphone and I loved it to death. Even though it was a smartphone, I found it easier to navigate than a PDA, especially web browsing. It seemed very powerful too. So, just to look to see if it's worth it to switch so I can get the E62, I looked at Cingular's data rates. Unlimited Smartphone Connect with Xpress mail for $19.99 a month. Awesome! But when I viewed the E62 and clicked the Services tab, it says PDA connect plans. Why is that? The E62 is a smartphone, shouldn't it have Smartphone data plans? If someone could explain to me about data plans, I'd love it. Thanks!
it's not a smartphone, it's a pda.
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Nokia can call it whatever they want, to Cingular, it's a PDA. Pretty much anyting with a full keyboard is a PDA
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nuckingfuts said:
Nokia can call it whatever they want, to Cingular, it's a PDA. Pretty much anyting with a full keyboard is a PDA
Correct! That's how it was explained to me since training.
QWERTY = PDA
Regular keypad = Smartphone
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Don't buy the e62, i was told today by a trainer that it will be off our shelves by may. good luck and yes its a pda.
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No worries on me buying the E62. I have an SE K790a and I've no desire for another phone at the present.
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For the hell of it, please explain how the Nokia E62 can use more data than say, the Nokia 6682. Both run Symbian, and both are what the industry terms Smartphones. Yet you can use MediaNet with the 6682 but not with the E62. Please explain...why???
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Ugh,
Smartphone: Cingular 3125, Cingular 2125 (19.99 unlimited data packages)
PDA: Treo 650, 680, 750, Cingular 8525, 8125, Samsung Blackjack, Nokia E92 etc, a tocuhscreen doesnt make it a PDA (39.99 unlimited data packages)
Blackberry: Obvious models (44.99 data packages)
Smartphone: Cingular 3125, Cingular 2125 (19.99 unlimited data packages)
PDA: Treo 650, 680, 750, Cingular 8525, 8125, Samsung Blackjack, Nokia E92 etc, a tocuhscreen doesnt make it a PDA (39.99 unlimited data packages)
Blackberry: Obvious models (44.99 data packages)
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In no way did this answer my question. How can you term the Nokia E62 a PDA just because it has a full QWERTY? It runs the Symbian OS, but again so does the 6682 and will use just as much data. Does it make ANY sense that you can charge $40 for unlimited data on one, and $20 on the other?? Please explain that concept.
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The point wasnt to answer your questions, i was clarifying what CINGULAR defines as each type of phone. and the reasoning, straight from CSP:
a device with a QWERTY keyboard is more likely to use more data than a device such as the 3125, therefore the PDA plan that it requires is priced higher. dont like it? tough its not going to change, i never said i agreed with it either i was just defining them.
a device with a QWERTY keyboard is more likely to use more data than a device such as the 3125, therefore the PDA plan that it requires is priced higher. dont like it? tough its not going to change, i never said i agreed with it either i was just defining them.
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A device with QWERTY is in no way, shape or form more likely to use more data. Not bashing you, I'm just saying thats an asinine Cingular policy.
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You can't compare the screen on a E62 with the screen of a 3125... Also the abilities of the E62 require more data pulling or streaming (whichever term you want to use) to fill up that screen quicker... If you put that E62 on a data plan for a smartphone (it'll work, but much, much, MUCH! slower...) I have a friend on T-Mobile who hates her Dash for being to slow. When I asked her what data plan she had; he said whatever unlimited data plan she had on her V330... Capiche????
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No capiche 😡 .... I have no experience with the 3125 and I didnt bring that in the equation. I am looking for a reasonable explaination as to why Cingular wants to double the price of unlimited data on one phone (the E62) that does nothing extra than another phone (the 6682) simply because of the layout of the keys.
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They figure your going to use more data with a full QWERTY keyboard...and in theory you could also change the APN from wap.cingular to isp.cingular and it would un-"bottleneck" the connection speeds. I think they came up with the PDA plans first and then the smartphone plans...who knows...it is screwy though and I don't enjoy explaining that one to customers at all....
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mostly the reasoning behind it is that the E62 smartphone has the ability to do full internet browsing, where as something like the 6682 only does WAP browsing. Nokia classifies any phone that they manufacture with SYMBIAN to be a "Smartphone" but the carriers use a different "grading system"
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Hi Jackie, I wanna disagree with you on one point. Opera comes pre-installed on the 6682 and you can do full web browsing on that as well as with the built in browser. So its no different than with the E62.
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When it was in the stores I don't remember that being pre-installed, but maybe if you were not buying it directly from Cingular that was the case. But anywho, Cingular- like any company- does it for one reason and one reason alone.... MONEY. They do it because people are willing to pay that much more when it comes to having what they want. It is all really a perception of what you are getting.
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I could see if Cingular offered unlimited tethering with that $40 plan but I dont think they do. Anyway..havent seen you around in well over a year, maybe two..and hope you're doing well...
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The underlying assumption, I think, is that a customer with a QWERTY keypad is more likely to use more data than a customer with a standard alpha-numeric keypad, simply because it's easier. So while both phones may be capable of doing the exact same amount of data, the ease of use with the QWERTY keypad determines the higher price. Does that make sense? I dunno, it's just my opinion. Just for the record, I do feel like $40 for data is too high.
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I covered this earlier and I highly suspect you're trolling but I'm going to answer the question anyway.
The Treos, Blackberries, Nokia E62, and the Blackjack are all labeled "smartphones" by their manufacturer. They all still require the PDA connect package.
The Treos, Blackberries, Nokia E62, and the Blackjack are all labeled "smartphones" by their manufacturer. They all still require the PDA connect package.
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Yeah I was just reading that thread after I posted this. By the way I am not trolling. I am seriously considering switching to Cingular for 2 reasons: a) SIM cards so I can easily switch devices HUGE beef with CDMA for this. b) Nokia smartphone OS is the best I've ever seen. Period.
So, can I get this "MediaNet Maxx" plan on my account and use it with the E62?
So, can I get this "MediaNet Maxx" plan on my account and use it with the E62?
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Well sorry for thinking you were.
No, the MediaNet plans will not work on that device. Cingular has decided that because of the volume of data that it uses, it needs the PDA connect plan.
No, the MediaNet plans will not work on that device. Cingular has decided that because of the volume of data that it uses, it needs the PDA connect plan.
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Well actually I talked a little to the rep that was in the store (it was slllooowww in there) and I talked about Sprint's SERO plan and he said if I were to sign up with Cingular, he would match it for me ($30 for 500 minutes + unlimited data)
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I think he's full of sh*t. There is no 500 minute plan for $30 a month. You can't just make up plans and have them be true.
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But not with Cingular. Cingular's system does not allow users to make up their own plans, you must choose from those available. If he told you he'd give you 500 minutes and unlimited data for $30, he was lying. I would notify his manager and have his MANAGER give you that information SIGNED AND IN WRITING.
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👀 i have some very nice 5120 nokias you can use on that plan, $30 each, they are the latest,top of the line, they even say bellsouth mobility on the bottom!
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I agree that the treo's, and the E62 can be called PDA's, for they are....whether it has a touchscreen or not.....
The Blackberry's aren't, they are...well.... ummmm....huhhhh..not sure..but i think....
could they? no they couldn't possibly be...
Blackberry's
My beef is with the Blackjack......
There are two different windows mobile platforms....
The blackjack has the same platform as the Cingular 2125, SMT5600, and Cingular 3125, all of which are considered smartphones, and use smartphone connect on cingular's network..
and because the phoneis popular(because of the 3G internet speed, cool look, and qwerty keyboard they want to charge double the price for monthly internet..
The Blackberry's aren't, they are...well.... ummmm....huhhhh..not sure..but i think....
could they? no they couldn't possibly be...
Blackberry's
My beef is with the Blackjack......
There are two different windows mobile platforms....
The blackjack has the same platform as the Cingular 2125, SMT5600, and Cingular 3125, all of which are considered smartphones, and use smartphone connect on cingular's network..
and because the phoneis popular(because of the 3G internet speed, cool look, and qwerty keyboard they want to charge double the price for monthly internet..
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its the QWERTY keyboard, basically anything sold by at&t at this time that has a QWERTY keyboard is considered a "PDA"
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