Don't get too comfortable... UMYS/HSDPA is right around the corner, and promises to make EV-DO look like dial-up

Damn Phonepimp, can't you just let them bask in the sunlight for a little while without beatin them down...By the way has sprint come out with the EV-DO in any areas yet and if not when is that expected to happen?

their going to do it in DC and Vegas I'm not sure where else yet, man that connection sounds wicked fast, I can't wait for thoses kind of waves to be flyin through my head!

yeah umys that will be great! that is in all 4 of the cities you will be able to use it in. that was a nice try phonepimp but it is pretty lame because basically wcdma will not be widely utilized by any American company any time soon.

now if you really want to get into it sprint is working with some Asian companies on 4g. they have it in lab settings where you can theoretically do 100 mb/s but that is several years down the road for the general public. just like wcdma is for the us. by the way has cingular rolled out edge yet? i think they have in some markets. but not all. hmmmm sounds like they have a ways to go. oh wait they are buying at&t so they will have more stuff to patch into there network that already has so many patches on it...
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Okay, one point at a time:

1. WCDMA is currently in testing by Cingular and is slated for deployment in 2005.

2. UMTS/HSDPA is right around the corner, which you would know if you read anything outside the company hype they send you. Try RCR Wireless News and WirelessWeek for starters.

3. ATTWS leads the US market in true 3G deployment. Verizon has 3 markets on EV-DO, Sprint has none. Cingular has EDGE deployed over 2/3 of its network.

4. 87 of the top 100 markets is hardly patchwork

5. Cingular's GSM network is ALL DIGITAL, not an analog roaming network with SOME spotty digital service.

Steve, do yourself and me a favor. Go to Sprint's website and look at the national coverage map. See just how much of the country you act...
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You didn't answer the mans question PP...why do you feel you must come into the Sprint Forum and belittle them? Sorry bud, but us CDMA Peeps gotta stick together!

what...the big lie isn't enough? Largest all digital network my eye! I have customers who had Sprint and couldn't even check their digital VoiceMail in parts of BOSTON!

They hype all these wonderful digital features, and they wind up not working in roam, because nearly all of their roam coverage is analog. Get into the modern age, for chrissakes!

no it isn't largest ALL Digital...it's largest PCS...specific technology there bud...does Cingular use PCS?

"PCS" is a generic phrease used by Sprint. PCS defines any cellular system operating at the 1900 MHz range.

Thank you, was too busy responding to 'Mr.Misinformation" steve to answer that one.

see all you did was confirm what i said. " WCDMA is currently in testing by Cingular and is slated for deployment in 2005. " as in you do not have it yet. it isn't on the market. sprint has evdv to be released in 2005 also.... and when cingular launches there wcdma it will me a market by market launch. it will be the major cities first. (sprint on the other had launches network wide at the same time) and by the way has any carrier ever launched a significant network upgrade on time? no they haven't shoot singular still doesn't have edge on there entire gsm network yet.

one your point 2 yes wcdma is right around the corner in the next 1-2 to 5 years or so

now about 3g edge is roughly equivalant to 1x with cdma sure it might have faste...
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Fountain of misinformation aren't you? EV-DV deployment is slated for 2006, as vendor support isn't even begun yet.

EDGE has speeds of 80-100 in most tests I have conducted. It does not have erratic bursts like EV-DO and is safer for data.

Sprint only offers mixed service in all 100 markets. They do not offer true digital in all 100.

Our rate plan maps take the technology in mind. For example, all that coverage you see on GSM Nation IS GSM. GAIT plans show AMPS TDMA AND GSM coverage. Sprint on the other hand gives the impression their entire coverage is digital, when only about 20% actually IS.

The reason for us only having EDGE on 2/3 of out network has NOTHING to do with your so-called 'patchwork', but the fact that we always r...
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"Sprint only offers mixed service in all 100 markets. They do not offer true digital in all 100."

phonepimp what are you talking about?! you know squat! sprint is all digital all 1900mhz pcs!!! sprint only has one network! sprint does not have an analog network! sprint has digital coverage in all the top 100 markets that you can use all of your features on.

and about the ev-do role out. actually sprint does have it active in a few of it's markets it just has not been released to the consumer. and sprint infact has ev-dv active in a few markets as well. they have been doing testing with it for over a year.

i do not go into the cingular forums claiming to know all about cingular because well i frankly do not. sprint on the other ha...
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PP I believe that was a beat down! 🤣

Right off your website idiot... look at it sometime.

EV-DV equipment is not even commercially available yet, from no less a reliable source than WirelessWeek and RCR Wireless News, hence Sprint's backstep to EV-DO.

EV-DO is not yet available to ANY Sprint customers. PERIOD.

You do NOT have even HALF of the top 100 digitally covered. You at best have some AREAS of them covered. Get more than 5 miles from any major highway, and its analog city!

Have you ever even SEEN your national coverage map?
4 types of coverage... on net digital, off net digital off- net analog roam, and future coverage...or NONE. The analog roaming off net dwarfs your so-called largest all-digital network. As I have said before, your coverage is 80% or more ...
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phonepimp3376 said:
Right off your website idiot... look at it sometime.

EV-DV equipment is not even commercially available yet, from no less a reliable source than WirelessWeek and RCR Wireless News, hence Sprint's backstep to EV-DO.

EV-DO is not yet available to ANY Sprint customers. PERIOD.

You do NOT have even HALF of the top 100 digitally covered. You at best have some AREAS of them covered. Get more than 5 miles from any major highway, and its analog city!

Have you ever even SEEN your national coverage map?
4 types of coverage... on net digital, off net digital off- net analog roam, and future coverage...or NONE. The analog roaming off net dwarfs your so-called largest all-digital network. As I have sa

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PP I understand your frustration with this person but there is no need to call him/her and idiot...you're turning 85% on me here pal!! hehehe

TheVZWMan said:
PP I understand your frustration with this person but there is no need to call him/her and idiot...you're turning 85% on me here pal!! hehehe

man i can't wait to meet this 85% guy! 😈

someone else needs to "do their homework"...

by calling someone names.....and spewing mis-info repeatedly......doesnt make it fact... you're clearly intelligent.....and make a great sounding arguement... in fact. very convincing..... just loaded with things you made up...

Oh really? Name one thing I've 'made up'. If you actually took the time to research my posts, you would know better.

EV-DO was implemented by Sprint because EV-DV equipment would not be available in the US until late 2005-early 2006. For someone to claim Sprint invented EV-DV is ludicrous.

Sprint has no EV-DO coverage in place. FACT!

Meanwhile Cingular, who was the first carrier in the WORLD to deploy EDGE, has 2/3 of its network with EDGE and is testing UMTS. UMTS will double the call capacity of the existing network, and pave the way for a software upgrade called HSDPA, which has max speeds of 14.4 MBps. In early 2005 we will have the ability to implement both on all of our 1900 MHz licenses. Vendors assure us that shortly after, ...
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400,000 Pops... (made up)

Wasnt that you that said that???

Research the facts on your POPS and Sprints....

Research your facts regarding the top 100 markets.... Yes... I'm referring to native coverage..... I'm referring to Sprint owned spectrum, .. Sprint PCS coverage...... yes Sprint was wise enough to realize that the best way to build a network from the ground up in as quick a time frame as they have was to contract affiliates to build out the network in the more rural markets.... There is no difference between the affiliate coverage and "Sprint" coverage... it is not roaming...all features are the same.... voice/data/etc.... I repeat..... no difference between Sprint and her affiliates....

Sprint is all digital all PCS ... h...
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So you are claiming to have NO analog coverage?

And why charge a 5.00 fee for off-net roaming?

Sprint IS no competition. Here in New England your so-called "all digital" coverage is so poor people can't even check their voice mail in some parts of BOSTON!

The fact is simple, and your coverage map on the website makes it plain... there is one HELL of a lot more AMPS coverage in your coverage than there is digital. So tell people that!

You shouldn't say sprint isn't competition, as of now cing has 25 million, sprint has 22 million. And they have pretty bad coverage but somehow added more subs than cing and att. If cing doesn't watch out sprint will take over the #3 spot before it's all done. I know cing's about to move up, but you shouldn't leave them out of the race. 🙂

mtown said:
You shouldn't say sprint isn't competition, as of now cing has 25 million, sprint has 22 million. And they have pretty bad coverage but somehow added more subs than cing and att. If cing doesn't watch out sprint will take over the #3 spot before it's all done. I know cing's about to move up, but you shouldn't leave them out of the race. 🙂

yea i don't get that either must be good marketing

I mean there singing in those commercials, I guess everyone wants to sing? 😕

Of course Sprint is growing due to the MVNO partners - Qwest, AT&T, etc - they couldn't grow on their own so they had to sign others to sell their product.

Sprint had two markets that I know of - Boise and Las Vegas - that are affiliates and not Sprint owned.

The upper portion of MI is AirPCS i think... i know it is an affiliate, but i forget the EXACT name of it.

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he's right, rich brome said that somewhere too...

Whoa - don't drag me into this! 😳

And please don't misquote me, especially without actually quoting me.

In fact, what phonepimp is saying it totally incorrect. The difference between Cingular and Sprint's digital coverage is not nearly as dramatic as he's making it out to be.

All of the major carriers' digital coverage is concentrated more on urban areas and highways. No carrier provides digital coverage in the middle of nowhere.

I think phonepimp is confusing land area coverage with population coverage. Comparing Cingular's population coverage with Sprint's land coverage is like apples and oranges. It's an invalid argument.

I am comparing Sprint's posted coverage on their website, with Cingular's posted coverage on theirs.

In most cases this is the information a customer will use to decide who has better coverage in a given area. ANd looking at their national map on the site, it would appear that most coverage is analog.

That is, and always has been my point.

Rich is making the point that I've been trying to, and Pimp still ignores it. You can look all you want at the land coverage area, and it's virtually meaningless to the vast majority of users. It is indeed the POPs that are important.... (as always I'm sure that pimp will ignore the facts and babble on about "look at the map... look at the map.... it's like a broken record.... look at the map...) When you "look at the map" you need to recognize where people live and work and play..... that's all that really matters.... and thats where Sprints coverage is..... (when I say Sprint's coverage, I MEAN DIGITAL.... because Sprint's coverage IS ALL DIGITAL...) Their expanded voice coverage, includes both Analog, and DIGITAL off network roaming...
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He does this same salesman rhetoric over on the VZW boards also. Prove him wrong and he will change gears and go to something else, or talk about how great something from Cingular's future line up is going to decimate your current line up(like it doesn't take a rocket scientist to beat that theory), or else just add words to your posts and makes things up to counterpoint you never said.

Right dakz... then why don't you address the REAL point and beat me on the math? 99% of customers go by the damn MAP, and have no friggin idea WHAT a POP is. So comparing apples to apples is what we're doing here....looking at what the customer bases their decision on.

And aren't you guilty of talking about future plans too? You don't have a single market, or city for that matter, running EVDO on network, yet you sit here and talk about how it kicks EDGE's butt. The fact of the matter is that EDGE will be fully deployed before you OR VZW has EVDO out. Cingular's plans to roll out UMTS/HSDPA are well documented, so how am I any different than you by stating them?

I understand your hostility though... I'd be pissed too if I had to work f...
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Easy PP you're getting down right hateful...do you really feel that this argument is worth all the effort... you're getting kinda KingFrogish on us here...

Tired of folks who probably have been in this industry since the 120T was new bullshitting people and insulting a valid and backed up argument by attacking me without exploring it, that's all. I find it repulsive that half the reps in the employ of Sprint here locally won't even probe to find out if it fits a customer, but just plop them on it.

Sorry if I seem a bit hateful today, but when I posted that I had just gotten finished looking at a 375.00 F&F bill. If the rep had done their job, that bill would not have been anywhere NEAR that high. I happen to know the manager of that Sprint store, so in the interest of helping him save a sale, I contacted him to advise him I was with his customer, and that they had some issues. He put me on ...
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Since when is San Diego, Las Vegas, and Washington D.C. not major markets? Since when does VZW not have EV-DO in those markets? VZW DOES have EV-DO out in those markets or are press releases on even this site incorrect in your eyes now?

The only time I talk about what is to come is when YOU start with your UMTS crap which isn't going to happen till Cingular makes the switch to WCDMA which isn't going to be anytime soon since you 1, have to finish your merger. 2, just finished total GSM conversion. And 3, according to what european sources are saying about WCDMA is that it is such a huge headache they are about ready to toss it out the window and start with something new. All you have are future this and future that. What about right here,...
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And we're talking SPRINT in this forum, not VZW last I looked. Sprint has NO EVDO up yet.

As for UMTS, it is up in four markets. Was launched by ATTWS. The reasons we are holding back at the moment are simple... we want to roll it out on both GSM bands we offer at the same time, and because it will be easier to do on the new network all at once.

i can't believe this guy!

he spouts so much crap he has no idea which misinformation he has spread!

🤣 uh phone pimp in one of your previous posts you said that neither sprint nor verizon has ev-do up yet. and well dakz proved you wrong. just as you are always proving wrong! then you MR. cingular babel has the nerve to say, " And we're talking SPRINT in this forum, not VZW last I looked. Sprint has NO EVDO up yet." 🤣 hypocritical does not even begin to describe it.

sprint does have markets where ev-do is already running. in fact sprint is just putting the finishing touches on it's entire network! one thing phonepimp does not understand is that sprint has an entirely different philosophy when it comes to network enhanceme...
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That's funny... based on what you just said there is no way EVDO is on Sprint yet... they have it in a few marlets, but they roll it out all at once! Kinda contradictory, isn't it?

Sprint doesn't have 1xtrr on ANYTHING... because you flubbed it pal... Sprint uses 1xRTT. Not typically as fast as EDGE.


Show the post where I said VZW had no EVDO, because I don't recall saying it.

Cingular everything works everywhere on our digital network as well, what's your point there?

Sprint's estimate of 2005 for EVDV is dependent on the vendors having the equipment available for the changes to be implemented. That's why Sprint chose EVDO in the short term, because it was nowhere near ready, and they were losing data speed to VZW who was runn...
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hear is your post phone pimp


"And aren't you guilty of talking about future plans too? You don't have a single market, or city for that matter, running EVDO on network, yet you sit here and talk about how it kicks EDGE's butt. The fact of the matter is that EDGE will be fully deployed before you OR VZW has EVDO out. Cingular's plans to roll out UMTS/HSDPA are well documented, so how am I any different than you by stating them?"

right there is is you said you would have edge fully deployed before eather sprint or verizon has ev-do! and guess what verizon does have ed-do!!! and you still do not have edge fully deployed

but yes you did catch me in the middel of a brain fart it is 1xrtt not 1xtrr

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Sorry... I meant FULLY out. VZW has what... three cities? Having it in markets and having it AVAILABLE in markets are two totally different things, let's not argue semantics.

We have a pretty good track record on rollouts, so what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Its a lot easier to troubleshoot an area than it is a network, so it actually makes more sense to roll out in a test market. That way if there IS an issue, it doesn't affect the entire subscriber base.

And Cingular has 2/3rds of it's network with EDGE meanwhile VZW's entire digital network is 1XRTT, with EV-DO rolling out NOW, not in the year 2005 when you MIGHT get WCDMA. NOW, not later, NOW. Looking at what the Sprint reps are saying they have it near ready to go as well, awesome in my book.

Too bad sprint voice ain't so hot....

Cool data though good for PDA's if you don't mind the phone not being so good... 😛

Lemme see... 1xRTT ... max speed 86 kbps

EDGE... max speed 130 kbps...

I'm so excited!

If you're talking about nationalaccess top speed is 144kbps

I'm talking about to the handset, not aircards.

From what I was able to find, 1xRTT tops out at 86kbps, while EDGE peaks at 130kbps

doesn't matter whether it's aircard, handset, PDA, or Smartphone...top speed is 144kbps no matter what

um phonepimp once again missinfomation abounds in your post!

the peek speed for 1x is 144kb/s

oh wait that makes it faster then edge!!!!

Steve... the 86kbps came from actual testing... the max they were able to ACHIEVE was 86.

dude why don't you go back and actually read that article you posted!

I did. My point was made...that the two are so close as to not make any difference.

but for the longest time you have been screaming about how much faster edge was to vision.

the truth is it really isn't vision has a hair line lead over edge.

i was just looking at how closely you reply to my posts. do you have a job? or do you just have the same days off as me?

lol... same days off.

It is faster, but not by much. In my personal testing, I have seen EDGE outperform 1xRTT. EVDO does outperform EDGE for speed, but not for stability. Stop being so damn defensive will you? We can sit here and post links so that either wins all day. What it all really comes down to is this... who the customer is happy with.

I have been told I can't talk upcoming developments, yet I hear EVDO from Sprint all day, and not a single customer had seen it. I hear about the EV-DV rollout that even VENDORS haven't said can happen yet.

So since you make the rules, I'll play the way you show me.

EV-DO was posted on this site by rich awhile back, because it came out in select markets...

thats how actvation peons like me learned about it anyways... 😁

Steve buddy chill we've already established this fact and PP has backed off of that and admitted the error of his ways... 😎

If you wanna know the truth, I have found about 5 different 'top speeds' for EVDO on the web...lol.

Lowest was 86 kbps. Highest claims 144 kbps. Real life averaged 40 kbps to as high as 96 kbps.

EDGE speeds were pretty consistent in articles I read.

phonepimp those are not evdo speeds those are 1x speeds

ev-do is 1.5 mb peek speed with real world averages 600-700 basically the dame as dsl

I know this... but here's the problem... Sprint doesn't have EVDO deployed for use yet... so by your rules we can't talk about it.

actually those were not my rules some one elses

but i was correcting you you had 1x speeds confused with evdo speeds

you said that evdo had peek speeds of 144

Good catch... my bad... sometimes my fingers outrun my brain...lol

phonepimp3376 said:
If you wanna know the truth, I have found about 5 different 'top speeds' for EVDO on the web...lol.

Lowest was 86 kbps. Highest claims 144 kbps. Real life averaged 40 kbps to as high as 96 kbps.

EDGE speeds were pretty consistent in articles I read.

The speed that you just put up here are for 1XRTT, not EV-DO

yeah, I know... gotta get more sleep. Sick two year olds are not conducive to good sleep...lol

soxfan1918 said:
Rich is making the point that I've been trying to, and Pimp still ignores it....

I just question why Pimp bothers to post in this forum, when he adds little facts, nothing constructive, just a series of partial truths to bash Sprint.

Where I live and work and play..... one would have to be on Crack to buy Cingular.... in other areas, I'm sure it's great..... NO carrier meets every user's needs... NO carrier is good as you make Cingular out to be, and NO carrier would survive if they were as bad as you make Sprint out to be. I have sold in one capacity or another...... T-Mobile, Verizon, Sprint, US Cellular, Cingular, Nextel, and AT&T wireless. There were customers whose needs matched one carrier b

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look who's talking! How much more do you need? Christ, I have broken you damn plan down to its base components, and it loses!

Like I have said a million GD times... there is a very small market for F&F... but most people benefit from a fixed rate plan. If any of you morons would bother to do the GD math you'd see that.

it becomes pointless to keep insisting when others don't care; and to what avail? 😎

Perhaps if you saw as many customers as I do here in the NE region who have ALREADY been screwed by reps who think this is the best plan since sliced bread, and put damn near every new add on it, you'd get it.

I just want those new customers to know the truth about it. I could care less what the Sprint reps think. Unlike most of you, I put doing the right thing for the customer ahead of my commission.

this is what i was talking about phonepimp. you know about 50% of the story.

when i say sprint has ev-do and ev-dv avalible on it's market it does but not to the consumer. sprint is the carrier that is developing the technology. the technology is not comercialy avalible. duh! i never said it was. but sprint has a few of it's markets that has the technology on the network side. where do i get this info? i know the people who test it and develop it! this is not third party sorces like wireless weekly.

and if you would actually read what i said i did say that ev-dv was not comerically avalible... ie not avalible to any customers.

and what are you talking about looking at a coverage map? i said sprint is all digital and all of sprints ...
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Now he thinks Sprint invented EV-DV! You sure you name's not Al Gore?

You cannot have something on the network side that has not been made yet. There IS NO EV-DV equipment, you twit!

Look at your dark green on your coverage map. Does that look like it covers every inch of all those markets? Or even your off-net digital? Please.

Yes all that light green is your coverage are, regardless of who you are roaming on. A Sprint customer has access to that coverage, so it is considered Sprint coverage. Your NATIVE coverage is that pitiful smear of dark green.

With your analog off net, and digital on and off net, yes you are in the top 100 markets. But NOT with digital.

BTW. I know what a market is, I'm the third highest producer in a...
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Pimp,

You spout off like you are the worlds biggest expert, yet you continue to quote misinformation as fact. I seem to recall you saying that Cingular would cover 400,000 POPS, that made me literally laugh out loud. The fact is Sprint does indeed have service yes........ digital PCS service in all of the top 100 markets... I believe. .. and I don't claim to know all the facts ... if you checked.... Cingular covers something like 93 out of those 100 largest markets... you see... that pitiful dark green area..... thats where the vast percentage of people live, and work, and play........ thats where the vast percentage of people want and need service.....

If you have ever ventured out into the real world.... and perhaps taken a trip on...
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Buddy, I don't know what coverage map YOU'RE looking at, but if that digital coverage area (yes even including your digital off net) is what you hang your hat on, check out a Nation GSM map and see what REAL digital coverage looks like.

i never said sprint invented ev-dv. i know it is hard for you but you need to read more carefully and sound out those big words phonepimp.

sprint works with companies like qualicom, sanyo, samsung, nokia and several other just to name a few. sprint works with those companies to develop alot of there new cdma technologies.

sprint maintains and operates extensive wireless laboratories specifically for the development of ev-dv and ev-do technology. there for sprint has access to both experimental handsets as well as experimental network technology. Sprint has at least 1 section of it's network that is actually running ev-dv right now. not for consumers but for testing and development. it also has a few sections of it's network that is ...
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Steve...read this carefully, and notice just a few things:

Gross subscriber adds 2Q: 2.4 million
EDGE first commercially deployed by Cingular
UMTS in testing now, as is HSDPA

Read it and weep.

Backs up everything I have said.

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/micro_stories.pl?A ... »

and what are u trying to prove? i read the article. 2.4 mil new subscribers. not bad. 25 mill total. yes that is exactly what i said. and it is great that umts has finally made it to testing. good for cingular

about edge read my post again.

"and one other point people help me out with this. wasn't at&t the first ones to release edge? and didn't they have it on 100% of there gsm network?"

i was not sure if it was cingular or at&t that was the first to have it. hence the question mark. you will probably learn that next year in high school English (not that my English is any thing to brag about but then again i am a product of public education). but i was right on part of that at&t was the first to have it on 100% of there network.

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stevelvl, you are the coolest person in the entire world. thanks for calling phonepimp out on his overactive mouth. the things that come out of it aren't at ALL that accurate; plus they are colored with arrogance, insecurity and niavete.
once again thank you for shedding light on this subject. phonepimp irks me to no avail.

ash you really do need to give phonepimp a break the teen age years are some of the hardest years of life. it is so akward for many kids and for some one like pimp it must be really tough. i think maybe it would just be best if every one ignored his insignifican't boasting that is full of miss information. maybe as he matures he will learn that it doesn't make him any friends at all and only isolates him.

steve...

Here's a figure for you" July 15, 1963. That makes me 41, in case math isn't your strong suit.

I started in wireless with AirTouch, back when AMPS was the ONLY option. I have worked with every major carrier except T-Mobile, including Sprint.

How can you state that links from the AP, RCR Wireless News, the Wall Street Journal, and Wireless Week are full of misinformation? Or information from Sprint's own website? Or don't you READ the trades?

pimp,

The entire Sprint network is Digital PCS... so stop with your Analog roam already.... are you numb headed or what... When I talk about Sprint coverage, I'm referring to Sprint native Coverage..... All Digital .. All PCS...

yes... my friend all 100 of the largest 100 markets...... NATIVE... ALL DIGITAL...ALL PCS...

http://www.findserv.com/Sprint.htm »

You never respond directly to my posts... you just continue with your Cingubabble. ... obviously you are well programmed........ You don't seem to be able to gather that POPS coverage is what is most important..... believe it or not.....and obviously you have been programmed not to believe it... people tend to live/work/and play ... in the most populated areas...... (hense... tha...
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Soxfan:

Native coverage is not what people see when they look at your coverage map, is it? NO. SO when you take all of Sprint's ADVERTISED coverage into account, over 80% of that coverage is ANALOG! Can you read a coverage map and not think like a sales pimp? Think like a customer for a minute, and realize that they expect that WHOLE coverage map to be digital, and it isn't.

Cingular covers over 243,000 POP's as well (noticed that you added a few zeros to Sprint's total... one quarter million would be 250,000)

Prior to the AWE buyout we COULD NOT compete in those markets. Post buyout we can, and will. We provide a much larger digital network than Sprint AND its affiliates combined. One look at our GSM Nation map will prove that.

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(insert t-moblebable here)

???????
What in the world are you talking about..... Sprint's affiliate coverage.......IS NATIVE Sprint coverage....it's done through Sprint's Licensing..... they are partners....It is NOT through roaming agreements..... and I'm sorry, for my typo.... I meant to say..... a quarter billion.... or........250,000,000 POP's....

So you see pimple...... You are wrong once again........

You also forgot to comment on the Score being 100-87 in favor of Sprint in the top 100 largest markets.... (seems that puts a hole in your arguement...).....

Once again you ignore the FACTS........ POP's is what's important......not covering miles and miles of area inhabited by sheep (granted i suspect that would be a favorite pass-time of yours)... wher...
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can't...move........phasers locked.........me.......in

I know this is a bit off subject (okay a lot) but soxfan....is that Red or White?

according to the info you provided, they cover a quarter million... nice try. Third party does not mean NATIVE. OWNED BY SPRINT means native. Affiliates are not OWNED BY SPRINT.

I did comment on the score. We were NOT ALLOWED to be in those areas due to competition. That changes with the AWE buyout, when we will be in all 100 markets.

Do you even know what a POP is? The way you talk you don't.

We're kicking your butt daily, so game, set, match. Talk to me again when everything works in all that off-net analog roaming your map has smeared all over it.

Hey PP, is it true they are thinking about tearing down Fenway?

Nope...just added a buncha seats to the old girl. They been talking about relocating Fenway since Babe was here...lol

I was about to say...they would have to go through about every Bostonian to do that...I figured it was just a rumor...same with knockin down down Wrigley...you would have to be completely stupid to knock down either of those ballparks....no matter what

yuppers... I'm amazed they actually got away with demolishing the old Boston Garden!

Pimp,

I do indeed know what a POP is.... obviously you do not.. I admitted a typo when I said a quarter of a million, and corrected myself. It is of course a quarter of a billion.

Another thing is obvious, you are not aware of how Sprint works with her affiliate partners, Sprint owns the operator's license in these areas and thus it is Sprint Native coverage. You can argue until your cows come home, but the fact is, these affiliate markets need to build out the network per Sprint's direction. The hardware/software etc etc etc are all directed by Sprint. Thus any service that is available thru Sprint is available on the affiliate portion of the network.

I'll highlight this for you PIMPLE ... Sprint's affiliate agreements are t...
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Still trying to figure out how you get a quarter billion POPs out of 250,000, but I guess thats Sprint math. Look at your Quarterly report, jackass

You are one ignorant SOB...... LOOK at the Quarterly Report you fool.... the number of POPs is shown (in thousands) ... where I went to school 250,000 thousand was one quarter of a billion..... I want you to step to the plate and admit you were WRONG.... and apologize for calling me a jackass.....

Often times you spew data... much of which is correct.... but you also tend to spew ..BS as well.... This time...you are clearly just wrong......and if indeed you are a MAN ... you will admit to your mistake...

Did some looking into this... found there are two formats of your annual report out there... one that uses the standard Thousands, and another that uses the abbreviated millions.

Most annual reports are set up in thousands. I inadvertently viewed the one in millions. My bad.

I have admitted to mine...when will you admit to yours?

No analog? How do you explain this (Copied from Sprint's Web site):

Off-Network Roaming – Analog
Sprint provides roaming on other wireless analog networks when you’re not on the Sprint Nationwide PCS Network.

Analog roaming requires a dual-band or dual-band/tri-mode phone, and you may incur additional per-minute charges.

Features you can use while analog roaming:
Making and receiving calls.
Checking voicemail by calling your own Sprint PCS® Phone Number. Your User's Guide includes detailed instructions.
Sprint PCS VisionSM Services and certain advanced calling features are not available while roaming.

The key thing here is that the customer will be able to find service just about anywhere. I don't tell my customers to visit Montana and enjoy their Vision services. I just let them know that as long as they stay on the Sprint network(explained accurately and thoroughly) that will have all of their Sprint features and I explain to them how the light green areas of the map are not on Sprint but that they can receive a signal at a signifigantly higher rate. Essentially for emergency purposes only. I work in an affiliate market, where the best roaming package that we can offer is 50 minutes a month for $10 and while most people pass on that, they gladly accept the sprint service area.

Soxfan,
you too are someone who makes me feel justified in knowing that PhonePimp isn't really stupid, per-se... just brainwashed. Or perhaps he grossly misinterprets what he reads; in which case, we should feel bad for him, as he is not able to comprehend the meaning of a language (um, wire-speak should we dub it??) for such a long time. But maybe it's something deeper, like... hey, PhonePimp, is English your native language? You know, before I assume it is...
Apart from his incessant, redundant posts which glorify cingular for positive attributes they boast (hmm, understandable... there's only so much material to work with), along with bragging about attributes they don't actually posses... the real bottomline is that I am so sick of hi...
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Okay ash... lets get one thing straight once and for all... you say Sprint "rejected" EDGE...you CAN'T RUN EDGE! It's a GSM TECHNOLOGY! what you currently have in place is NOT faster than EDGE...EV-DO WILL be, but its not on-net yet. You are ther ones who refuse to see growth and change. You are the ones who refuse to admit that a HUGE chunk of your coverage is based on ancient technology.

Here's the future for you, and I'll support it with all the facts you want. Cingular is testing UMTS/HSDPA, and plan to deploy it in 2005...not that far off, and well before Sprint is ready to roll out EV-DO, most likely.

UMTS will DOUBLE the call capacity of Cingular's network, which from the math done here means each cell will have 16 slots compar...
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OKAY let me use a more ACCURATE statement and one that is TRUE:

THE DATA TRANSMITTING SPRINT USES ON THE PCS NETWORK IS FASTER THAN EDGE AND I DON'T GIVE A **** WHAT CINGULAR HAS IS THE OVEN IF IT IS GOING TO TAKE A YEAR OR MORE TO BAKE!
For GSM users, there's Edge and GPRS... AND GPRS IS EVEN SLOWER AND LESS RELIABLE FUNCTIONALLY THAN EDGE BECAUSE IT USES THE SAME FREQUENCY AS YOUR VOICE CALLS DO!! WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? Well... limited call capacity for ALL USERS. CDMA is the more technologically advanced standard. It's newer, has higher network capacity, faster data speeds, the ability to provide more superior voice quality. Um yeah. Those are some facts right thurr, PhonePimp. Here's another one, most GPRS users are lucky if they get ...
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I don'r recall inviting you to the discussion in the first place. And if you must know the truth, the data speed record at the moment is held by T-Mobile, one of those BEHIND GSM carriers. But you think you know so much, which will make it all the more sweet when we wipe the earth with you.

yes i am sure your 41 🙄 just like your the #3 rep in one of the top 10 markets 🤣

ok enough comedy. hear is a serious question. which of the top 100 markets is sprint not present?

sprint owns and operates markets in all the top 100 not there affiliates sprint. affiliates Handel most of the highway and byways of the us as well as the smaller markets.

and about the whole amps argument. let me get this straight. you are bashing sprint because their phones will actually draw from any and EVERY cdma or amps signal out there not just there own? now tell me again how does that make us inferior?

Pardon, your ignorance is showing, wanna tuck that in?

AMPS is NOT CDMA ... it is analog. Both TDMA and CDMA were born from it.

Cingular has a plan that does the same thing...but we sell it as a multi-network plan, and don't claim its all digital. Its called GAIT, and allows usage of AMPS, TDMA and GSM on the same handset.

phonepimp this is what i was talking about. you need to have your classes switched next year in school and have them put you into the remedial reading class. you really need to leardn how to read. now i know it is hard in the forums and all because there is no pictures and all but just take your time and pronounse out every word.

if you continue to do this on my previous post you would have noticed i said amp OR cdma the OR indecates that you are chooseing between the 2

bottem line i did not say they were the same.

and of course you did not aswer the questions i asked eather because you have no evidence to suport your wackjob claims. phonepimp for that last time please stop butting in and let the grown ups have there conversation in...
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What wackjob claims? DO YOU EVEN READ ABOUT YOUR INDUSTRY, or do you just take what Sprint says as Gospel?

Pimp,
You still talking that trash? Sprint Free and Clear America Plans have the largest digital coverage plan in the inustry. Bar none. Your GSM America plans have about half of the voice coverage as Free and Clear America.
Joe customer doesn't care if it is an analog signal if he can call his family from the middle of nowhere. With GSM it can't be done. I realize that GSM is a more recent addition to America, just like Sprint is a more recent addition to the industry.
The majority of our ports to Sprint and Verizon are from former GSM customers frustrated with the crappy coverage, dropped calls, etc. Here in Eugene, OR Sprint provides in building reception to 99% of the population center. T-Mobile doesn't even offer outdoor coverage ...
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Your coverage map is the source for it all. There is nowhere NEAR our digital coverage on that map, buddy.

And with GSM Nation they have access to ATTWS, T-Mo, and a crapload of rural and regional carriers too. So what's your point? HAve you bothered to compare a current GSM Nation map to your online national coverage map? Again I say, 80% of your depicted coverage is analog!

O.K. Pimp, let's cut to the chase.
You are saying that Verizon is only analog? How about U.S. Cellular? How about Alltel? The only time a Sprint Free and Clear America customer uses analog is when they have the misfortune of being forced onto Cingular, ATTWS and other low tech networks.
You look at coverage maps, especially ATTWS and Cingular's. Go to the Yakima Valley in Washington State and you will find that the maps overstate the coverage by a huge margin, about 50%.
Also when we speak of EVDO, it is something GSM is incapable of. EDGE is a very poor substitute for EVDO. GSM is as current as the 80486. It is the European standard not because it is so great but because their governments have mandated it as a standard. They have outla...
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I am not saying that VZW and USCC are analog, no. I AM SAYING that looking at the coverage you depict that there is a great deal more analog than digital. Stop putting words in my mouth when your coverage map makes that clear.

WCDMA, or UMTS, will be even more advanced than the CDMA you so highly prize. Have you bothered to research it at all? Double the network capacity due to double the slots. That's 16 slots as opposed to 10. HSDPA upgrade applied equals data speeds up to 14.4 Mbps. And its right around the corner.

As for northwest, I spend 3 months out of the year on average there. I have no problems except the occasional in building issue, because most of the NW is 1900 MHz.

I could care less about the so-called 'propaganda'. I...
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Largest all digital network built from the ground up. As opposed to built by mergers, buyouts, etc.
UMTS still doesn't work as advertised anywhere it is installed. European carriers have repeatedly asked their governments to allow them to install CDMA-2000 but to no avail. Their choice is to install UMTS or return their licenses. Kind of a gun to the head if you ask me.
HSPDA is about the equivalent of an upcoming version of EVDO but since neither exist yet they are both vaporware.
ASk Docomo about their experience with WCDMA, or how about Orange? They are so frustrated they want to stick to GSM.
Actually neither CDMA-2000 or WCDMA will be the future there will probably be a single platform come out that can be compatible to all network...
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Then it will definitely not benefit consumers. Qualcomm is more of a hinderance than a help with all that closed platform crap.

Closed to who?
Qualcomm doesn't make the infrastructure or the phone chipsets, they merely design them.
They license others to make stuff, but if they choose not to use Qualcomm's design to save royalties then you have a phone that is inconsistent on the network. (Motorola)
UMTS is actually more like CDMA than unlike it. Unfortunately for Ericsson, Siemens and Nokia, Qualcomm didn't patent everything they know and the intellectual property that is not part of the patent is what makes the Qualcomm version work so well.

ash... I have backed up everything I have ever said in here. Fact is, you can't deal with the truth.

I use info from YOUR OWN MATERIALS to slam you. Now you state that you have NO analog coverage, when your coverage map shows it as about 80% of your coverage. I don't care WHO owns it, it is on your map, and therefore viewed as YOUR coverage.

Sprint DOES NOT HAVE NATIVE COVERAGE IN ALL 100 top markets! You may have it with roaming and affiliates, but not native. Cingular is the second largest carrier in America, and only has current coverage (native) in 87 of the top 100. So as I have said before... do your homework.

Cingular was the first to offer EDGE service to consumers [not nationwide]. AT&T Wireless however overlayed their entire network faster.

it will drastically improve the ready link. there will also be video phones that will be comeing out. then of course there is also the web. sprint is launching new phones that will do streaming audio and video. there will be some amazing leaps in what a phone can do.


do you know what phones will have streaming audio/video, with better readt link.

when i was talking to the sanyo developer he was showing me the 7400 by the way that wil be an awsome phone. and he was telling me the 5600 would have the ev-do technology, i think becuase it is hard to talk to him because english is his second language. next time i see him i will preasure him to show me the 5600

but the samsung a700 has been shiped and it will do streaming multimedia! but not ef-do

thanks