stevelvl said:
i would set you both strait on this issue but i like my job....

when it is released i will tell you the truth on this issue

Then I will look for your post on Monday since they start Sunday.

Don't get me wrong, I think the idea in ingenious. It's the pricing that's way off on these plans. jlk had it right when he said it will benefit the low end customers who rarely go over and maybe even a really low end customer who would like to add phones to an account. But it doesn't offer much for many other people. I will also be looking forward to your post in a couple of days.

Ryan

First off, lets look at some facts: Sprint offers 300 minutes for $35, most other carriers are offering significantly more minutes for about the same money. You mentioned Cingular... 39.99 for 600 minutes. You also mentioned rollover. Those minutes are already paid for, so there IS no additional charge for overage. Due to the way Cingular assesses a customer's needs, they are suggesting a plan closest to what the customer's actual monthly usage is. If they go over by a few minutes, rollover protects them from ANY additional charges.

So let's look at an example from Sprint's own marketing: Based on 800 minutes used

Other wireless carrier $50/600 = 200 minutes over @ .40 = $130.00

Sprint F&F $35/300 free minutes= 500 minutes @ .10 = ...
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phonepimp3376 said:
First off, lets look at some facts: Sprint offers 300 minutes for $35, most other carriers are offering significantly more minutes for about the same money. You mentioned Cingular... 39.99 for 600 minutes. You also mentioned rollover. Those minutes are already paid for, so there IS no additional charge for overage. Due to the way Cingular assesses a customer's needs, they are suggesting a plan closest to what the customer's actual monthly usage is. If they go over by a few minutes, rollover protects them from ANY additional charges.

So let's look at an example from Sprint's own marketing: Based on 800 minutes used

Other wireless carrier $50/600 = 200 minutes over @ .40 = $130.00

Sprint F&F $3

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I would start by looking at his last 6 months of usage, if available. Add the total minutes used over that 6 month period and divide to get an average monthly usage. Adjust up by one price point to provide overage protection.

Kind of depends on the carrier, though. With Cingular you would most likely be able to go with monthly average without adjusting up because of rollover. With the others, cover your overage by bumping up a price point.

phonepimp3376 said:
I would start by looking at his last 6 months of usage, if available. Add the total minutes used over that 6 month period and divide to get an average monthly usage. Adjust up by one price point to provide overage protection.

Kind of depends on the carrier, though. With Cingular you would most likely be able to go with monthly average without adjusting up because of rollover. With the others, cover your overage by bumping up a price point.

Thanks, Pimp. It's just that his usage varies SO greatly that I think this type of plan is his current best bet.

No America is not stupid, but the one size fits all logic is. Fair and flexible is for those who have no clue what their usage will be and want a plan that will flex until their usage is established and then they can migrate to the plan that fits them best.
The problem with rollover minutes is that you are forcing people into a 40 dollar or higher price plan. The people who will benefit most from rollover minutes are those on the limited price plans.

There is no one size fits all price plan outside of Cricket or Metro PCS with their unlimited offerings.

For people who are new to wireless they are intimidated with the traditional price plan strategy. Fair and Flexible allows them the assurance that they can try out a flexible plan a...
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Not to mention with free and clear America Sprint PCS has the largest voice footprint in America, the largest coverage by pops and the best implementation of CDMA2000 in America.

Sprint is an innovator the rest of the industry is a me too group.

Sprint's ready link service has the least delay of any CDMA walkie talkie service

Sprint adds a larger portion of coverage every year than any other carrier in America

With all of this Sprint PCS was the first in America to install a 3G system

When Sprint turns on a feature it is live on the entire network the same day, no agonizing market by market rollouts.

EVDV will be a reality soon which will give data speeds that rival cable internet with full voice over IP.

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LMAO! Largest voice footprint in America? Put down the pipe? Have you seen that spiderweb of interstate following crap Sprint calls a footprint? Riiiiiigggghhhhttttttt! SUUUURRRREEEE! If Sprint is the largest and the best, why are they so low in the carrier race? Top two networks in terms of voice footprint: 1. VZW 2. Cingular (prebuyout)

That statement may be true if you count all their roaming agreements, but not based on their OWN network.

SPCSVZWJeff said:
...the best implementation of CDMA2000 in America.


Sprint's ready link service has the least delay of any CDMA walkie talkie services...


With over 20 million of its own customers the CDMA network provides enough bandwidth to have very large organizations (AT&T, QWEST and Virgin Mobile) use the unused bandwidth with no problems.

i like how these first 2 statements are comparisons made with only one other company. mainly because there's only one other nationwide CDMA service in america.

and the third statement was the only one i felt like investigating because it sounded so wrong. sprint has ONLY 16.3 million of its OWN customers, 3.0 million from affiliates and 2.0 million ...
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actually there are 4 major cdma carriers verizon, sprint, alltel, and us cellular

then there are smaller carriers cellulare one, quest, metro pcs, quest, and soon to be at&t an then several other local carriers

then there is gsm let me see. there is cingular/at&t that is 1 and tehre there is t-mobile.....


can any one possably name another? are there any regional gsm carriers?

stevelvl said:
actually there are 4 major cdma carriers verizon, sprint, alltel, and us cellular

then there are smaller carriers cellulare one, quest, metro pcs, quest, and soon to be at&t an then several other local carriers

then there is gsm let me see. there is cingular/at&t that is 1 and tehre there is t-mobile.....


can any one possably name another? are there any regional gsm carriers?

I know of Suncom (of Triton PCS).

i wouldn't consider alltel and us cellular "major" cdma carriers. they both appear to only be in about 20 to 25 states, and even that coverage is marginal in some of those states. but if you want to consider them major players in wireless, then that's your call. and looking at the homepage for cellular one, http://www.celloneusa.com/ it would appear they are going the way of gsm. but i'm not here to get in an argument about which technology is better. technologically, cdma is far superior to gsm, but gsm has more worldwide acceptance and is a cheaper technology to maintain and deploy because it has been around for so long. they both have their pluses and minuses, but like i said, i'm not here to argue that. i just wanted to point out ...
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Sorry, but the way F&F is package just BEGS for overage. $35 for 300 minutes, when 600 for $39.99 is out there? Not to mention, with most carriers, contrary to what Sprint tells you, you can adjust rate plans up or down in the first months of the contract without extending the contract, or incurring additional charges.

If the rep is doing their job and not just trying to push a cookie cutter solution to everyone (far too prevalent these days sad to say), they are helping the customer by asking quetions that will allow them to assess their needs. This will in most cases assure the right job is done for the customer. Today's reps don't follow up nearly often enough either - once the sale is made the customer becomes just another gross add....
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ooooooooowwwwwwwwww one whole month! wow that is so generous of those other carrers to allow you 1 whole month to change your plan....


sprint how ever offeres u three months with out haveing to resign an agreement... often times they will even allow longer... then there is the fact that fair and flexable is not for evey one.... unlike all the other carriers out there sprint has 3 types of plans.

type 1 the taditional style.

type 2 fair and flexable.

type 3 pre payed (fair and flexable)

hunh sprint is the only carier with 3 types of plans well hunh. yeah i can see why they are trying to force customers into cookie cutters unlike all the other carriers that only offer traditional plans or prepayed....

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Steve -

Don't know where you're getting your info, but Cingular allows changes in rate plan for a MINIMUM of six months without fees or charges, and after that either an extension or fee is required.

correct. cingular does it for the first half of the contract without penalties. so 1 year contract = 6 months and a 2 year contract = 1 full year of being able to change without penalties.

ryan

Steve -

Not to mention, with most carriers, contrary to what Sprint tells you, you can adjust rate plans up or down in the first months of the contract without extending the contract, or incurring additional charges.

And I guess I can'r rely on you to read what's WRITTEN. That clearly says MONTHS, does it not?
But you know what? There have been enough claims falling from your lips that are simply untrue, that I doubt you could carry on a intelligent debate in any case. So I'll stop belittling myself by coming down to your level. I leave you with this... when you can substantiate your claim of LARGEST voice footprint in America, then we'll resume.

well obviously i am not the only one who cannot read becase i was not the one who said sprint has the largest foot print.

but it is still true. look at the coverage maps no one has larger coverage. cingular's tdma and verizon come close. of course you will probably argue that isn't true because that is counting sprints affliates. well guess what verizon and cingular both rely hevaly on affliates

actually steve, according to your current published map, the majority of your footprint is analog roaming. The network you promote heavily is the PCS network, a digital technology. Let's compare apples to apples here. Look at Cingular's digital coverage compared to Sprint's. Because if you want to look at a plan that includes analog on Cingular, you'd have to look at GAIT Nation.
While I agree with you that with all that analog coverage the map looks impressive, and would blow the mind of people that didn't know wireless technology, I would ask myself "why hook up with a carrier that has over 80% of its network on a technology that is that old?"

Cingular's digital coverage, even with both companies' affiliates or roaming agreements inclu...
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Oh, almost forgot... our Nation plans also include unlimited mobile to mobile starting at $39.99... which in most cases reduces the strain on the minute bucket, again reducing overage, especially on Family plans. I believe you folks charge $5 per line for that, don't you?

Comparing F&F to GSM Nation, based on your own website's pricing, we offer more for less at every pricing point. For example, with F&F, a customer would get 1,250 minutes and unlimited N&W and LD for $100.

With GSM Nation for that same $100, that customer would receive 2000 minutes with rollover, unlimited Mobile to Mobile, unlimited Nights and Weekends, no roaming charges anywhere in the country, ALL DIGITAL coverage and no long distance charges.

Seems to me, no m...
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sorry pimp. this post is not to call you out, but more for my own clarification and i know how much this stuff changes. the last time i heard, sprint charged only one $5 fee for PCS-PCS on a family plan that would cover all phones. is this still correct or did that change with the new rate plans that recently came out?

ryan

From my understanding it's per line, but I could be wrong. Even the website isn't clear on it.

i know for a while it was $5 for the plan and didn't matter how many phones it was and then they went to being free with family plans and now i'm not clear what it is. hopefully someone else will set us straight here.

ryan

From everything I have heard it is $5 per account as long as the phones are sharing the minutes. If a customer signs up multiple lines on separate rate plans it will be $5 per line. Hope this helps.

philpsi is correct.

but this whole conversation has gone way off base if you ask me. i mean we have belittled sprint down to does it have the cheepest prices. and well the truth is if you want cheep prices you go with t-mobile or cricket or metro pcs. each carier has it's own nitch.

cingular - role over inginious idea they came up with

verizon - best network now how do you argue with that?

then there is sprint - with out a doubt best technology.

people don't go with sprint because they are the cheepest they go with sprint because sprint has the biggest selection of the most advanced handsets....

verizon is 6 months behind sprint handset wise. they are the only cdma carrier that comes close to sprint technology wise

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stevelvl said:
philpsi is correct.

but this whole conversation has gone way off base if you ask me. i mean we have belittled sprint down to does it have the cheepest prices. and well the truth is if you want cheep prices you go with t-mobile or cricket or metro pcs. each carier has it's own nitch.

cingular - role over inginious idea they came up with

verizon - best network now how do you argue with that?

then there is sprint - with out a doubt best technology.

people don't go with sprint because they are the cheepest they go with sprint because sprint has the biggest selection of the most advanced handsets....

verizon is 6 months behind sprint handset wise. they are the only cdma carrier that comes clo

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in regards to your post i said "estimates" and that is what i have been repetably told by the devlopers for sprint that they estimate the ev-dv will be avalible in aproximately 1-1 and 1/2 years and there are infact portions of sprint's network that are runing the evoluton technology. and as to the spell check who cares? and not all of us are posting from a computer. did it ever occure to you that maybe some one is useing grafete on ther pocket pc to post a message? and as for spell check? it really just takes to much time if you don't like it just don't read my posts

stevelvl said:
it really just takes to much time if you don't like it just don't read my posts

Well, have you ever considered that taking some time to think out your posts would greatly facilitate our understanding of them? As it is now I can barely comprehend them. Just stop posting.

WOW, y'all really like to go at each other, don't you. I thought that I'd throw my 2 cents in. When discussing who is best, don't forget where you are and where others are at, geographically speaking.

For example, I live in Arizona and we don't have the option of Cingular yet. Even then, the all digital networks don't do well out here. It seems that most companies have forgotten about us out here, just take a look at a T-mobile or AT&T map. Analog service is your only choice for probably 80-90 percent of the state. That's why Sprint and Verizon are the most popular companies that I sell, besides Cricket (this is the biggest cricket market in the country).

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stillryan said:
WOW, y'all really like to go at each other, don't you. I thought that I'd throw my 2 cents in. When discussing who is best, don't forget where you are and where others are at, geographically speaking.

For example, I live in Arizona and we don't have the option of Cingular yet. Even then, the all digital networks don't do well out here. It seems that most companies have forgotten about us out here, just take a look at a T-mobile or AT&T map. Analog service is your only choice for probably 80-90 percent of the state. That's why Sprint and Verizon are the most popular companies that I sell, besides Cricket (this is the biggest cricket market in the country).

The fair and flexible plan has been

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stillryan -

You may like to know that Cingular has NOT forgotten you...lol. We are currently expanding coverage in Arizona. You didn't mention where you are, but we have development currently underway near Phoenix, Flagstaff,Yuma, and between Bullhead City and Quartsite. These should be online by the end of June. Hope this helps.

oh and by the way cingular for there nation wide plan is 600 mins for 49.99 so much for your whole theory

Actually Steve... that was a typo. But lets focus on the FACTS I stated below that. 850 minutes NATION PLAN = 59.99... the math is right...try it out. I still stand by my statement that there are far better offerings out there. Even comparing Nation products, 450 for 39.99 blows 300 for 35 away.

yes cingulars plan 39.99 for 450 mins is better then sprints 300 min plan for 35

oh wait what is this? sprint offers 500 mins for 40$ hmmm why pay 39.99 for 450 mins when i can get an extra 50 for 1 cent more?

and as for where did i get my info about the contracts from? i got it from your post. so well i should have known better then to rely on that sorce obviously it has been proven wrong a few times already