doggie said:
thanks the savings will help

but the account has to be in your kids name... if it's in your name and he just uses one of the phones, you will not be able to get the discount.

This is true...but it wouldn't be hard to get it in his name because active military have the deposit fee waived even if his credit isn't great!

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This is true...but it wouldn't be hard to get it in his name because active military have the deposit fee waived even if his credit isn't great!

Wow, is this true? If so, that if pretty damn awesome!

Okay I was just informed by one of my coworkers that that is not exactly correct. In some situations it will be waived...but if it's not waived it will definately be reduced to $100-$150 at the very most. (which he'll get back in a year)

Why does no one else seem to have a problem with this? Regardless of military service, if you have bad credit it's because of a history of late payments or accounts being sent to collections for non-payment. Why the hell would you waive a deposit for someone with bad credit history just because they're in the military?

it's not the deposit that gets waive. right now it's the activation fee if activated with the army fan.

I was not aware of that. I had a military guy come in yesterday that was probably the most annoying customer I have ever dealt with in my 10+ years working retail. He wouldn't activate the phone if he only got a 19% discount because I told him it was "roughly 20% off your monthly service". He wanted 20% or higher or no deal. I told him I'd take care of it and tried to look for other places that had higher discounts. That was a mistake because he was actually angry and offended at the fact that Pepsi gets 23% and military only gets 19%.

I am A) a former enlisted soldier in the Army for 8 years, B) a combat wounded veteran, and C) a agent that now sells cingular wireless. I find nothing wrong with helping out individuals who chose to serve this great nation voluntarily so you can be free to come on the internet and post an assinine response such as that. So they may have poor credit history. If they are in the military then they have a steady income and should be able to afford a simple cell bill. Them defaulting on a 24 month contract is no different then someone with good credit history who does the same. Go serve in the military you waste of life.

Blah blah blah protecting freedom bullsh*t. How does that change the fact that they have bad credit? If a Native American lives on the reservation they have a steady income but if they fail to pay too many bills and have bad credit we won't give them a phone without a deposit. Can they afford to pay the cell phone bill? Yeah? But does that guarantee they will? No. Is there any reason that we should waive their $500 or $750 deposit because they have a steady source of income? No. How is it different if they're in the military?

If someone has bad credit, it's because they failed to pay their bills and possibly have accounts in collections. It doesn't matter if they're out there shooting up innocent people in Iraq or not, it's stil...
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you are an idiot!

LOL.....you unpatriotic piece of shi*t.....hopefully the next terrorist attack will claim your life or the life of everyone you know, and especailly any offspring you may have or plan to have because the last thing the country needs is for a jacka## like you to reproduce. DO the world a favor and go throw yourself into the path of a semi truck. This country was built upon the blood of our ancestors. Yea I DISAGREE whole-heartedly with the reasons I went to Iraq, but I swore to defend the constitution of the US and against all enemies foreign and domestic. I am sorry you have no compassion for military personnell, but their are millions of others that do. And please if you feel that strongly on the internet come to Harrisburg, PA and say...
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I had this debate with him before and my last post said it all!

I mean do most people who work cingular feel this way? I do agree that sometimes I have dealt with other military people, and they feel that they should be given the world. It does get annoying at times, but I have compassion for them and try to help them as best I can. But an individual who gives up their civilian freedom for 2 or more years so that the rest of the country can go about their daily lives not even realizing what is going on. Yes, innocent people are dying their everyday. That is the cost of war. Almost 3000 of our mean and women have died in 3 years as well as almost 23000 being wounded in combat, one of which is me. I was lucky and only received minor shrapnel wounds and lost some hearing in my left ear. Others are c...
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I mean do most people who work cingular feel this way? I do agree that sometimes I have dealt with other military people, and they feel that they should be given the world. It does get annoying at times, but I have compassion for them and try to help them as best I can. But an individual who gives up their civilian freedom for 2 or more years so that the rest of the country can go about their daily lives not even realizing what is going on. Yes, innocent people are dying their everyday. That is the cost of war. Almost 3000 of our mean and women have died in 3 years as well as almost 23000 being wounded in combat, one of which is me. I was lucky and only received minor shrapnel wounds and lost som

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Ask yourself why it is a hostile place. It's not because we're out there defending freedom or going after terrorists. It's because we are invading/occupying an innocent country. I'd be pissed if a bunch of people were invading the US and attacking my family, friends, neighbors, etc.

i didnt' follow the thread correctly. i was just referring to the deposit...

Are you suggesting that Iraq had or has anything to do with the terrorist attack on 9-11? Or any other terrorist attack in the US?

You swore to defend the consitution of the US against enemies. How exactly was Iraq an enemy? They've never attacked us and had given no indication that they planned to despite the fact that we put economic sanctions on them and have been pushing them around since the Gulf War. We had no reason to attack them and we still have no reason to be there.

And all of you military guys are so tough with your stupid threats. You're not helping matters by threatening anyone that doesn't agree with you.

I didn't threaten you I just think you are a ignorant ass. Thant should go move some were else.

You didn't threaten me. The other guy did. And why should I move somewhere else? Because I don't like the fact that the US uses its military to bully and police the rest of the world?

you don't have all the facts. ANd the day you sit in washington and are briefed on all in the world don't make assumptions it makes an ass out of people!

OK so yea we got way off topic:

A) This hits a personal nerve because I was there and saw this BS up close

B) I completely agree that just because someone is in the military does not mean they should be paying their cell phone bill. They need to be responsible and put their account on military standby or whatever else needs to be done.

C) I completely agree that we are over there for the wrong reasons, but it was a person named GW that made the decision to go there, not the troops.

D) I realiize it is not the Iraqi citizens who are casuing all the problems in their country but rather foreign insurgents from Jordan, Syria, Saudi etc.

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Once again your wrong. When Iraq can provide the security it needs we are gone. If we leave anytime before it will collapse into anarchy and a dictator as bad or worse will replace Saddam. Do I see a unified Iraq not really I think it will eventually be split into 3. But most of the violence against them right now is from other country nationals!

one other thing do I want to go back there for a 4th time? NO but if we don't finish it the 3000+ that gave their life and 20000+ wounded would have been for NOTHING!!!!

Actually you are wrong. Most of the violence is from within, shiite militias and sunni militias. The overwhelming majority of time something jumps off, it is between these groups. Look at the news reports, read the papers, its all there. That BS about the majority of the insurgency coming from other countries is more propaganda, that they cannot and have not proven. Don't get me wrong, there are foreign fighters on the ground but this is mostly infighting. But I would agree with you, I think that the country should be divided into 3. Kurds to the north, Sunnis in the middle, and Shiites in the south. If not, we will be there forever.

ok I guess when I was there I was seeing things!!

Yea, a bunch of poor civilians can easily coordinate bombings. All they need is the equipment, training, and implementation. Which can be obtained easily, just go to the corner deli...right?

If someone thinks that Iran and Syria aren't involved in the "insurgency," they're sorely mistaken.

Preach my brother preach! They always try to make it seem so black and white but it never is. You can't possibly think it is because they hate our freedom. That's brainwash talk 😕

Exactly. It's fun debating this crap with military people because they're so completely and utterly brainwashed into believing they're doing a great thing they just can't accept reality.

OMG you prove your stupidity in every post. Did I ever agree that we should be in Iraq. I don't think so. But I joined the military. I choose to defend my country and follow the orders of the president. Therefor it is not like any other job were you can say oh I don't believe in that so I will just quit. I think removing him was a great thing. Is it worth all lives we lost. Time will tell. But I took an oath and will live up to that oath regardless of my personal feelings!

You think you're defending our country by being in Iraq? Or that you're doing a good thing by following our idiot of a president's orders? And you've said on several occassions that the Iraqi citizens love our military and want us to be there and that we're doing a good thing.

We are doing a good thing. I just don't think we should have. Yes he was a bad person but so are alot of people that run countries. As far as me following orders. Unless I want to see my kids from behind bars I will continue to follow orders. Sometimes things don't make sense and I certainly can not get into everything I know which isn't even as much as there is, as it is classified but when you don't have the big picture you shouldn't talk! I guess we should just let people like saddam, Iran, the recently self proclaimed Nucular power NK just do what they want until they hurt us. ANyone ever watch the show Jerhico? That can easily happen if we crawl into our borders only and just wait!

What did Saddam do? Okay if you want to go after North Korea, fine. They are the only country that said they had nuclear weapons and would use them on us. That is a threat. What exactly is Iran doing? This whole idea of everybody wanting to kill us is ridiculous. Cautious we should be, act when we have no other option we should, but countries these days are trying to go nuclear for one reason, deterrent=self-preservation. This will make the big bully think before they act.

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What did Saddam do? Okay if you want to go after North Korea, fine. They are the only country that said they had nuclear weapons and would use them on us. That is a threat. What exactly is Iran doing? This whole idea of everybody wanting to kill us is ridiculous. Cautious we should be, act when we have no other option we should, but countries these days are trying to go nuclear for one reason, deterrent=self-preservation. This will make the big bully think before they act.

well, he gassed his own people. invaded countries. wanted groups of people to die because of their religion. he was much like hitler. oh, we didn't do anything to hitler until he killed 6 million jewish... good thing we...
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Actually, he was an ally of our nation when he gassed the Kurds! It was not such as big deal then when our government was using him to meddle with Iran.

Never an Ally maybe a pawn!

How does that argument change the point being made? The fact is, it wasn't a problem when we were using him but now that we are no longer using him it's suddenly a problem. How is that logical or acceptable to you?

I don't have all the facts. So I can't say! And either do you!

but what was known then? hind sight is always 20/20... bin laden was an ally as well... and look what he wants of us now. when were friends with them, it was mocked. now we are against them and still mocked. the best thing the US can do is just ignore the rest of the world...

no its not the best as we will find we are alone and soon we will fall. Even the US can't stand up to whats out there alone!

Had Japan waited to attack us until after they conquered the rest of the world we would be a part of Japan! All because that was our thinking then. Stay out of the rest of the worlds affairs!

Saddam do wow umm used chem weapons on his own people. Umm Iran wants Iseral wiped off the map you think someone like that will stop there. What if Japan didn't attack the US in WWII. Did you ever stop and think about that. Was the rest of the world winning? No. Did them bringing us into the war change the outcome. most definitely. Should we have stood by until we were attacked. No I Think that was a mistake and on one hand glad Japan brought us into it. I hate to imagine a world with Germany and Japan running it!

Germany and Japan has nothing to do with this. Stop looking for cliche' comparisons and go with the situation at hand. When Saddam gassed the Kurds, he was considered an ally and did not stop being our ally until he invaded Kuwait (couldn't have him messing with our oil). It was okay because they were using him and providing him with resources to fight Iran (Iran-Iraq War of the mid to late 80's). The only thing I am saying is that okay, he was a issue 10 years ago. Deal with him then. Dont try to come back with old news and use that as a basis to do something 14 to 15 years later.

He was never an Ally we used him. But never mind. I am happy with what I do!! And in 8 more yrs I will be happy with my retirement also! Damn I will only be 38!!!

Well we used Bin Laden in Afghanistan fighting against the Soviet's. You see where that got us. But anyways, Im glad that you enjoy what you do, wish you a great retirement in 8 years, and live long & prosper. (Throwing up the star trek v sign with my fingers) 🤣

🤣 🤣 Love Star Trek!!!

I 2nd that 🤣

I think that the US has every right to ask all other countries to stop all nuclear programs for weapons, power, etc. As soon as the US does the same. But for as long as the US has nuclear power and weapons capabilities, we have absolutely no right whatsoever to demand that other countries cease nuclear development.

I think your take on it is honorable but your committment is not under assault here. Just the reasons for the war and why things are going they way they are. With that said, I do think that we are making a difference, no matter how small the steps.

Listen I am not defending our reason for going to Iraq. In fact I am pissed that I had to be there for a year and almost got killed and watched several of my friends die. BUT, we aren't the ones making these decisions. It is the government officials who are voted by the American public, YOU, into office. I realize you might not be a Bush supporter, but obviously more than 50% of the country was at the time of his re-election. And to that A$$ who said that the fighting is only between inter-tribal groups and not foreign fighters. Tell that to my friend Carl who had his head blown off by a Jordanian. Tell that to my other buddies who were killed by idiots coming from Syria and Iran to fund the local national radicals to make bombs. Get...
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I am well informed. If you read my post, I SAID that most of this fighting now is between, well you know what, go back and read what I said. Anyways, sorry for your loss and everyone else who has lost someone.

I think we beat this horse to death several times over......then resurrected it and beat it several more times. Enough...... 🤨

Agreed! At least we all agree that we must win there, no ifs, ands, or buts about it!

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Listen I am not defending our reason for going to Iraq. In fact I am pissed that I had to be there for a year and almost got killed and watched several of my friends die. BUT, we aren't the ones making these decisions. It is the government officials who are voted by the American public, YOU, into office. I realize you might not be a Bush supporter, but obviously more than 50% of the country was at the time of his re-election. And to that A$$ who said that the fighting is only between inter-tribal groups and not foreign fighters. Tell that to my friend Carl who had his head blown off by a Jordanian. Tell that to my other buddies who were killed by idiots coming from Syria and Iran to fund the loca

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I'm pretty sure the people in Iraq now weren't drafted into service. They signed on of their own free will, so they did have a choice. It's not like this is the first time the US has had its military doing crap like this so it's not like that's an excuse.

I like that. Yeah, voting really gives the people of this country such a huge amount of control over how things are run...

well, you either vote for people you want or vote for people to vote for who they want... until someone challenges the electoral college, it will be that way.