Evil Empires
You know something I do not know every one keeps saying how one provider is better than the other. Lets get one thing straight people....Customers are dealing with businesses first and foremost. These companies are in the business to make money plain and simple. Another thing to consider....when one company comes out with something that defines them ie cingular's rollover mins, nextel ptt, etc etc you can always be certain that the other cellular providers will come up with their version of it. Sometimes it will be horrible and sometimes it will be great. In regards to getting service in one area better than another, may I suggest that if you are having an issue with your phone other than it asking for a puk code to shut off and then turn it...
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You are very wrong:
1. Verizon does not use WCDMA, Cingular does alongside its GSM.
2. Mobile phones very well can reach the speeds of DSL. EVDO (i.e. Verizon's CDMA) and WCDMA (HSDPA) both are capable of those kind of speeds, and yes, that is without the phone burning up.
1. Verizon does not use WCDMA, Cingular does alongside its GSM.
2. Mobile phones very well can reach the speeds of DSL. EVDO (i.e. Verizon's CDMA) and WCDMA (HSDPA) both are capable of those kind of speeds, and yes, that is without the phone burning up.
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RUFF1415 said:
2. Mobile phones very well can reach the speeds of DSL. EVDO (i.e. Verizon's CDMA) and WCDMA (HSDPA) both are capable of those kind of speeds, and yes, that is without the phone burning up.
Yes and no. They are capable of those speeds in bursts, sustaining them indefinitely (like broadband to your house) is another matter entirely.
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HSDPA and EVDO revision A will be able to sustain those types of speeds, and they will be available in 2006.
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RUFF1415 said:
HSDPA and EVDO revision A will be able to sustain those types of speeds, and they will be available in 2006.
Actually HSDPA will be 5 times faster (to donwload data). When fully operational it'll be capable of downlink (download) data rates up to 8-10 Mbit/s (million bits per second)
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Not exactly. The sustained speeds are expected to be 2-3 mbps, with bursts as high as 14 mbps with HSDPA.
HSUPA will be capable of sustaining those super high speeds in both the downlink and uplink.
HSUPA will be capable of sustaining those super high speeds in both the downlink and uplink.
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Does Hd-whatever it is use data packets like EVDO does?? Cause EVDO uses data packets so in bursts it will maintain that speed.
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Yes, HSDPA uses packets, it stands for High Speed Data Packet Access. No, it will not maintain those bursts and neither does EVDO. Theoretically it might, but with traffic, speeds are diluted and always changing.
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With HSPDA can someone explain to me the benefits if this new technology because i dont understand. how will this new technology benefit voice calls? All i know is this new technology will help ppl surf there phones internet wap sites faster..I also heard we will soon be abl to make video conference calls to.
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you will also be able to tether your phone to a laptop or use a PC card to access the internet whenever needed at broadband speeds. It will not have much of an effect on voice calls. This is the direction the industry is headed. for some people it won't matter, but for many it will.
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Wrong.
UMTS (and the HSDPA upgrade) is an improvement to both the voice and data offerings of GSM because UMTS is not a "data only" technology like GPRS or EDGE. This is due to the voice channels and air transmissions being encoded and divided in such a way that the voice aspect of your cell phone will work more efficiently for both the tower and your phone.
Because UMTS is a more effective technology than GSM, it will provide stronger signal strenth and increased call capacity at each tower due to it's coded air interface (not unlike CDMA's interface) to allow multiple calls in each voice channel. UMTS has a larger call capacity than even that of CDMA. That means less dropped calls over loss of signal and "Network Busy" errors.
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UMTS (and the HSDPA upgrade) is an improvement to both the voice and data offerings of GSM because UMTS is not a "data only" technology like GPRS or EDGE. This is due to the voice channels and air transmissions being encoded and divided in such a way that the voice aspect of your cell phone will work more efficiently for both the tower and your phone.
Because UMTS is a more effective technology than GSM, it will provide stronger signal strenth and increased call capacity at each tower due to it's coded air interface (not unlike CDMA's interface) to allow multiple calls in each voice channel. UMTS has a larger call capacity than even that of CDMA. That means less dropped calls over loss of signal and "Network Busy" errors.
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I'm sorry RUFF, but UMTS is only for data.
Where did you get your info from?
Where did you get your info from?
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Still wrong.
Wideband CDMA is a third-generation (3G) wireless standard which utilizes one 5 MHz channel for both voice and data, initially offering data speeds up to 384 Kbps.
That is just from the glossary of PhoneScoop.
A phone is not required to be both UMTS and GSM capable. A phone with nothing other than a UMTS chipset would be able to make both voice calls and use data services.
Also, it is important to note that UMTS and GSM voice calls are capable of a seamless handoff between networks. They both are voice capable technologies.
Wideband CDMA is a third-generation (3G) wireless standard which utilizes one 5 MHz channel for both voice and data, initially offering data speeds up to 384 Kbps.
That is just from the glossary of PhoneScoop.
A phone is not required to be both UMTS and GSM capable. A phone with nothing other than a UMTS chipset would be able to make both voice calls and use data services.
Also, it is important to note that UMTS and GSM voice calls are capable of a seamless handoff between networks. They both are voice capable technologies.
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Anxiovert said:
I'm sorry RUFF, but UMTS is only for data.
Where did you get your info from?
This is on what I rely on. Please take a look, it never mentions UMTS used for voice; only data.
http://www.cingular.com/midtolarge/umts?awredirect=a ... »
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That is because Cingular's only emphasis on UMTS and HSDPA will be for the data. Until they launch a network widespread enough to rely upon for voice (which is expected by end of 2006) they cannot tout that capability. Right now GSM is their primary voice network.
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RUFF1415 said:
That is because Cingular's only emphasis on UMTS and HSDPA will be for the data. Until they launch a network widespread enough to rely upon for voice (which is expected by end of 2006) they cannot tout that capability. Right now GSM is their primary voice network.
This is going to be horrible. We still have the headaches of custs not wanting to go from TDMA to GSM, and now we're going to make them go through all that AGAIN??? OMG (as I cover my eyes)
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GSM will be here to stay through at least 2007. With the advantages that UMTS offer to even the average consumer through improving signal strength, coverage area, and network capacity, it will be much easier for Cingular to persuade those customers over to UMTS. Although there will always be those holdouts, things won't be nearly as bad as the transition from TDMA to GSM was/is.
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HSDPA is an upgrade to an entirely new technology that works alongside GSM called UMTS. With UMTS the voice channels and air transmissions are encoded and divided in such a way that the voice aspect of your cell phone will work more efficiently both at the tower and at your phone.
Because UMTS is a more effective technology than GSM, there will be less dropped calls due to improved signal and inreased call capacity at each tower location. That means no more "Network Busy" signals. All in all UMTS with the HSDPA upgrade will be a great addition to Cingular, as it will be an improvement over both current voice and data.
Because UMTS is a more effective technology than GSM, there will be less dropped calls due to improved signal and inreased call capacity at each tower location. That means no more "Network Busy" signals. All in all UMTS with the HSDPA upgrade will be a great addition to Cingular, as it will be an improvement over both current voice and data.
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You have to remember, with traffic, the sustained speeds get diluted considerably in realtime. Speeds as high as that have only been reached in trials which are not subject to speed altering factors such as traffic.
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RUFF1415 said:
You have to remember, with traffic, the sustained speeds get diluted considerably in realtime. Speeds as high as that have only been reached in trials which are not subject to speed altering factors such as traffic.
I agree.
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RUFF1415 said:
Cingular uses WCDMA.
I wish. 😉 Not just yet. By year's end. 🙂
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It's already deployed in seven markets, and ready to deployed in several more (meaning the network has already been upgraded). The purpose of that statement was to clarify to the original poster that Verizon does not use WCDMA.
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Correct RUFF I was not trying to say you were wrong. That guy needs to do some research, because if he thinks that VZW has WCDMA he's terribly wrong.
My understanding is that we inherited those UMTS markets by default after merging with ATT. As far as I know it's being tested still.
My understanding is that we inherited those UMTS markets by default after merging with ATT. As far as I know it's being tested still.
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The extensive HSDPA testing in Atlanta by Cingular had been going on since early 2004. The testing has shown no problems and with that Cingular made the decision to release HSDPA immediately, instead of delaying the HSDPA upgrade until months after a UMTS launch.
Because HSDPA has been approved, those inherited UMTS markets have been upgraded to HSDPA, along with several other markets to be announced sometime in the immediate future.
Because HSDPA has been approved, those inherited UMTS markets have been upgraded to HSDPA, along with several other markets to be announced sometime in the immediate future.
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ok this HSDPA will start to deploy in 2006 hopefully when will we(cingy customers) be able to benefit from this high speed technology? My second part question when will this be available in as many markets as EV-Do? I was going to get another plain jane phone in januarary an wait till 3rd or 4th quater of 06 before jumpin on CIngy high speed network because i want it to be well tested an get all the initial bugs out.
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The first release of HSDPA will be by the end of this year, with more widespread deployment in Q1 of 2006. Cingular has already upgraded several markets with HSDPA but has not deployed it yet.
Cingular is very big on rolling out their networks and services as fast as possible, but doing it efficiently. Expect HSDPA to be as widepsread as EVDO midway though 2006.
Cingular is very big on rolling out their networks and services as fast as possible, but doing it efficiently. Expect HSDPA to be as widepsread as EVDO midway though 2006.
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I wouldn't call EV-DO an equivalent of DSL. Have you ever used it and experienced how much latency it has?
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Revision A.
Revision O (which is what Verizon uses now) is not as fast as DSL. The second revision, A, is much faster.
Revision O (which is what Verizon uses now) is not as fast as DSL. The second revision, A, is much faster.
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you are correct. Now from what I have read Rev B will actually take over for CDMA as far as handling voice calls!! It is amazing where all this technology will go in the next 5-10 years. Eventually broadband will be like dial up and people will literally be using wireless internet everywhere!
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