Cingular To Buy AT&T Wireless

It is in no way Cingular's best interest to drop it's deal with T-Mobile. If you live in NYC like I do and can sit in an apartment with a person who has the same phone but has AT&T instead of T-Mobile. They are sitting next to the window and they have 1 or 2 bars. I am in the middle of the (concrete walled) apartment and have 4 bars. They better not rely on AT&T's coverage. That would be a mistake

And as mentioned earlier T-Mobile plans are good and don't have hidden charges. Plus you only haveto sign a 1 year agreement vs. Cingular which is 2.

Yes T-Mobile only has one year agreements but their phones are more expensive due to that, compare phone pricing and you'll see. Cingular also offers one year contracts but you have the option of a two year. The benefit of the two year is you get the phones at a significant discount compared to the one year price. Also Cingular has the option of no contract where you just buy the phone outright with no discount at all. Basically there are three prices per phone depending on the contract option you choose. More choices for the consumer is always a good marketing strategy.

Since switching to GSM (Voicestream which became T-Mobile) from TDMA (AT&T) 4 years ago because of bad coverage (there was a time when I was standing inside or infront of an AT&T store and I mean and actually store not an authorized dealer and had a 1/2 full signal) I usually purchase my phones NOT from my provider but from an authorized dealer who imports the newest phones from the rest of the world. I know I pay more but I also get the phone I want and get it unlocked so if I decide to switch carriers I don't have to buy a new phone or if I am in Europe travelling I can buy a cheap prepaid SIM and just stick it in my phone. I've gone this route with 3 great phone, SE T39M, SE T68i and SE Z600.

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Wait...let me get this straight. You base your opinion of AT&T's service on the fact that you got half signal strength outside one of their stores? Oooooo-kay.

who says you pay more at an authorized dealer? i sell the t610 for t-mobile for $30 after rebate, the v66 you get $50 after rebate, and the x105 you get $45 after rebate. we blow the doors off the actual store, and plus its only a one year contract. and as far as T-Mobile going under, it would be hard when they have as strong a backing as Deutsche Telekom.

Well put wri0010. TMO has had some of the best coverage and has been one of the fastest growing services in the country.

tmo coverage is @$$crap unless you live in a metro area, then it's fine.

Actaully I base it on a lot of things including I only know people who leave AT&T (myself included).

But (if) I work for AT&T and I can't even get coverage in MY OWN store how I am suppose to sell it to customers. If there was ever a place you should have coverage it's inside the store you are buying it from.

...AT&T you can't get a call in our stores but you still should choose us...

this point is moronic. So what if the phone costs more w/ TMO. If you dont like the service or what not, you are able to move on after that 1st year. W/ Cingular, you are more likely gonna spend more than the difference in cost between similar phones carried by TMO and Cingular in service fees. Most deals require a 39.99 a month deal to get the phone at that price anyways.

The hole reason Tmobile didnt put a bid in on at&t is because they have a CONTRACT with tmobile if you guys know what a cotract is it means you canot break it so no matter what service cingular ever acquires tmobile will always share the coverage ANYWHERE IN THE US i work for the company and the share coverage nation waide not only IN CA and the contract with cingular CAN NOT be dropped until it is up which wont be for a long long while.. on the other hand i feel Cingular paid wayyy to much for at&t because its not that great of a company any ways and what are they gonna do with the TDMA coverage?

Oh and just to let you all know your wrong about tmobile phone prices they are cheapier then cingulars.. At circuit City you can actually get a V300 for free is 199-100 tmobile rebate-25 circuit city rebate +100 gift card.. not only that but the v205 is 25 bucks after rebates plus 100 gift card and the sony T610 is also 75 with 100 gift card not to mention all there free phones and yes id rather have a 1 year contract over a 2 year any day i personally dont feel like wearing had cuffs for two years with a company that will turn to crap (look at at&t for example) anyways i know this post will get alota responses so like i said before im ready to respond... 😁 😁 😁 everyone have a great day and dont get to routy on this board PLEASE :wink...
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You can't compare company owned store pricing to authorized agent phone pricing. You talk about getting a phone at Circuit City... these independent agents can do what they want with phone pricing, it's their inventory. When it comes to company owned store's phone pricing, it's a different story.... again, I tend to know what I'm talking about since I've worked for both companies and keep up with what both are doing.

ok big deal the v300 is 99 bucks in the retail store now who cant afford that??

MrFisch13 said:
...so no matter what service cingular ever acquires tmobile will always share the coverage ANYWHERE IN THE US i work for the company and the share coverage nation waide not only IN CA ...

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I'm sorry, but you are wrong.

A couple years ago, Cingular had no service in NYC, and T-Mobile had no service in CA. So they made a deal to share each others' networks in those two, specific areas. They now run a kind of joint venture where they share networks in those two areas.

In the rest of the country, they do not share networks. In fact, it would be pretty much impossible, since most of Cingular's GSM coverage outside those two areas is GSM 850, and T-Mobile generally doesn't sell GSM

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and the Carolinas.

You're right - my mistake. Sorry for the omission!

You're right. 🤭 Sorry.

... 🤭 ... sorry, didn't mean to quote it that way. The bottom part is the new message, not a quote.

Must be nice to be so deluded.... Rich Brome is 100% right, and you're completely wrong. T-Mobile does not share Cingular's nationwide network, nor does anyone else. Use your head: How on Earth could you believe that any wireless carrier would allow a competitor to use 100% of its network??? Why would they do that? Particularly if that competitor is the low-price carrier and undercuts its rate plans. Geez!
T-Mobile uses Cingular's CA network in exchange for Cingular using T-Mo's network in NY. Period. Both carriers saw advantages and benefits to doing so, since the alternative (building out in the 2 largest markets in the country) would have been more costly. It is interesting to wonder, though, if/whether the combined Cingu...
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WrongWrongWrongWrongWrongWrongWrongWrongWrong WrongWrongWrongWrongWrongWrongWrongWrongWrong Wrong learn your **** before posting it go compare the coverage maps every spec of coverage is identical AGAIN I know MORE then you will ever KNOW! 😲

The maps are not even close to being identical. 😲 cingular most likely will not drop the towers in those areas. they have too many customers and not enough (extra bandwith)bandwith to do the 3g conversion. Cingular has roaming agreements with att, tmo, western wireless, and a few others. they may not need all those agreements after this year. I have worked for tmo and now work for cingular, cingular has a map in rural area and tmo has most cities and some highways.

It might be be wise to read your own company's press releases about roaming agreements before spouting off. Anyone who has read anything about this knows you're completely off base. Think about it! Why would Cingular allow what you're claiming? (hint: they don't!)

Also, Rich Brome is correct in one other matter you fail to account for: Most of Cingular's markets (the former BellSouth and SBC markets), are 850 MHZ markets. This means that their TDMA coverage (AS WELL AS GSM) is deployed at 850 MHz. Every single last bit of T-Mobile's footprint is 1900 MHz. This renders the bulk of Cingular's footprint unavailable to T-mobile even under the most generous roaming agreement! Furthermore, T-Mobile does not sell, nor has ever sold to my knowledge, a GSM phone working on both te 1900 and 850 bands (tri-band world phones aren't the same thing), so the only markets where such roaming could occur on the Cingular GSM network (or AT&T's GSM network, where a few select roaming arrangements apply), are in plac...
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As a final thought, here's one of many articles that announced the roaming agreements in NY and CA....

http://sanantonio.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/stories ... »

If this response is any indication of your debate skills.... well, I think you better keep your day job. It's obvious who has the facts here and who is just spouting off. Plus there's the matter of spelling and grammar, enough said.

I must say, I'm amazed at your confidence in your information. To be exact the agreement has limitations. 1. TMO would use Cingulars towers in California 2. that cingular would use TMO towers in NYC, NJ, and parts of Philly. The use of TMO towers in NJ and Philly by cingular is a thing of the past, hence the inability to use a V60g in and around Philadelphia. It operates at 900 MHz, and cingular chooses to operate at 850 at this present time. And the maps your looking at are slightly flawed, which is pointed out in the small print. 😉

I too must say that I am amazed at your confidence in your information as well. T-Mobile operates at 1900 MHz, not 900 in the USA. 😉

The point is you have a choice with cingular... you can get a one year contract if you want to, it's not Cingular's fault when someone opts for the two year agreement because they don't want to pay the extra 50 dollars for the phone. T-Mobile's customer's don't have the option, they just have to pay more for the phone... that's the only thing I was pointing out. Again, I love T-Mobile as a company, they are one of the best around. In fact, I was part of T-Mobile from the beginning when they started out as VoiceStream and were owned by Western Wireless.

Cingular couldn't and wouldn't run T-Mobile in the ground, remember T-Mobile is a haven for those who have bad credit, T-Mobile will be around for a long time, ATTWS was supposed to have NYC-Metro covered completely by July, but I doubt it'll as fully operational as T-Mobile's service at that time.

how is t-mobile a haven for those with bad credit? are you smoking crack or something?

I must be smoking that same crack too because I agree. I own 2 stores in the Chicago inner-city. When a customer comes back with the $800 deposit with AT&T, $500 deposit with Nextel, $400 deposit with Verizon, I'll get a Smartaccess $0 Deposit with T-Mobile..either a T-Class $75 activation fee up-front or the new Q-Class with no up-front activation fee. Its not down to an exact science, but the odds seem to always work out for me with T-Mobile. Sprint PCS ain't that bad either although the service sucks in our area everyone seems to already owe them money because of "billing errors"! 😉

The hole reason Tmobile didnt put a bid in on at&t is because they have a CONTRACT with tmobile if you guys know what a cotract is it means you canot break it so no matter what service cingular ever acquires tmobile will always share the coverage ANYWHERE IN THE US i work for the company and the share coverage nation waide not only IN CA and the contract with cingular CAN NOT be dropped until it is up which wont be for a long long while.. on the other hand i feel Cingular paid wayyy to much for at&t because its not that great of a company any ways and what are they gonna do with the TDMA coverage?

what are you all going to argue about when Cingular buys T-mobile next? 😲

😁 Nothing because Cingular will just be taking up the really, really, really, really, really, small area of coverage that T-mobile has. 😎