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Researcher

Dec 21, 2010, 9:23 PM
Governmental hands off!


This can turn into a free speech issue real fast!
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Iknownothing

Dec 21, 2010, 10:54 PM
Government hands off Comcast's internet!

Fixed that for ya...
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ELawson87

Dec 22, 2010, 1:33 PM
The government isn't the threat, despite what Fox News tells you. The massive corporations that want to take over the internet and decide what you can and can't do on it are.
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phatmanxxl

Dec 22, 2010, 3:07 PM
The difference is my looney liberal friend, if I dont like what a business does or the service I get, I dont have to deal with it and if the public dont want it, the company will change to meet the markets wants and needs. When the government decides what kind if access we have to the internet, where do we go if we dont like it? And will they listen?
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Iknownothing

Dec 22, 2010, 5:57 PM
Ya got a lot of choices for high speed internet in your area do ya? Ya see a lot of competetion in the cable/isp industry huh? I know I hear about start up cable companies all the time...

And I dont know how to break this to you but in a democracy the people ARE the government. And the idea that business should not be regulated would be funny if it were not dangerous.

This is very simple. There are two ways to own and control something, privately and collectively. A home you own privately.. roads collectively. That means every american owns every inch of road. The internet is not something an average citizen can privately own. but we can collectively own it. But only if we TAKE ownership. This can only be done by passing law...
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phatmanxxl

Dec 22, 2010, 6:53 PM
And nobody is going to want to do business with a provider that filters or blocks the internet, ill take my money elsewhere, its that simple. So who do we complain to when the FCC starts picking favorites and censoring the internet?
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WiWavelength

Dec 22, 2010, 7:33 PM
phatmanxxl said:
And nobody is going to want to do business with a provider that filters or blocks the internet, ill take my money elsewhere, its that simple.


If you have a choice of two broadband ISPs and both decide to filter Internet content because they can make greater profits by directing Internet traffic to their own content or their respective content partners, where else is it that you will take your money?

Competition trumps regulation any day in an open market. But broadband Internet provision is not even remotely an open market.

AJ
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Versed

Dec 23, 2010, 1:59 AM
I wonder if they would bitch about government hands off if they start filtering your phone calls. They also didn't bitch a few years back during the Super Bowl when Janet flashed one of her squeezies, then regulation was perfectly fine.
I do agree there shouldn't be over regulation on any business, but it seems the right wing fascists only believe in rights when it comes to corporations. Screw individual rights, well, unless its rights they agree with.
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Iknownothing

Dec 23, 2010, 11:18 PM
Corporations are just like individuals. Individuals that have a much greater ability to speak freely, can be in several places at once, and have unlimited access to government. They're like superpeople. And we should count on them to save us from the government we elect.
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Versed

Dec 24, 2010, 7:55 PM
Iknownothing said:
Corporations are just like individuals. Individuals that have a much greater ability to speak freely, can be in several places at once, and have unlimited access to government. They're like superpeople. And we should count on them to save us from the government we elect.


You're kidding right?
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Iknownothing

Dec 25, 2010, 9:51 PM
Right.
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AudibleNarcotic

Dec 28, 2010, 12:44 PM
Now correct me if I'm wrong, though I'm fairly cetain that I'm not, but isn't the whole point of the goverment getting involved with the net neutrality issue to make sure that we aren't blocked from being able to access what we want on any connection that we want.

It is my understanding that these private companies that provide us the internet connections and the companies who hold the interests of whatever websites are trying to make it so that a company can pay the provider money so that they have a prioritized loading speed or access for thier website over others. Thats the real begining of internet censorship. When we let these companies tell us what we can or cannot access thats when we begin to lose. This would also hinder the abili...
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cstone

Dec 28, 2010, 7:17 PM
So wait.... Are you saying that companies don't usually have the consumer's best interest?!?!?! 🤣

For anyone who didn't catch it, that was sarcasm. Regulation is not always a bad thing. The government doesn't always make great decisions, but they don't always make bad ones either. IMO this one sounds like a good decision.
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Iknownothing

Dec 28, 2010, 7:44 PM
You are absolutely right. I really was being facetious in my previous post. The government is not stepping in to regulate the internet. Although they are trying to sensor pirating/torrent sites, so the issues is only mostly black and white. They are regulating the companies that provide us with access to the internet, which is a subtle but important distinction.

It's actually worse than you assert. Currently an isp can create a service that competes with an outside service, Netflix being the obvious example. The do not have to compete on an even playing field and they have numerous options to "cheat". Instead of offering more movies faster cheaper etc.. they can simply make the competing service unusable on your computer by slowing ...
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ELawson87

Dec 27, 2010, 1:31 PM
Except in almost all cases, there is no other choice to take your business. There is one high speed internet provider where I live(Charter). There is also one DSL provider which is so inadequate here I don't even consider it high speed(AT&T).

And in a monopoly for a service that pretty much everyone needs, you have no choice. You can't take your business elsewhere, because there's nowhere else to go. If Comcast is the only provider in your area, and Comcast decides to screw you, where do you go? What do you do? Just disconnect your internet?

At least then you won't be spreading that corporatist drivel on it anymore.
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Researcher

Dec 28, 2010, 1:43 PM
If the government can in any way start denying service to either a provider, customer or a certian web site, then why is that not censorship? Why is that not Washington preventing protected free speech?
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WiWavelength

Dec 28, 2010, 4:41 PM
Researcher said:
If the government can in any way start denying service to either a provider, customer or a certian web site, then why is that not censorship? Why is that not Washington preventing protected free speech?


No, you misunderstand the issue, which is practically the opposite of what you describe above. Net Neutrality protects freedom of speech by requiring (not denying) ISPs to maintain the open access principles on which the Internet was founded. If certain ISPs had their druthers, they could turn Internet provision into "walled gardens" w/ their own search engines prioritizing their own content or their partners' content (i.e. AOL all over again). For accessing content outside that "walled ...
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Researcher

Dec 29, 2010, 1:23 PM
And Hitler was simply misunderstood!
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WiWavelength

Dec 29, 2010, 3:00 PM
When you invoke Hitler as a red herring, you have clearly lost the argument. Just admit it -- you are ill informed about Net Neutrality issues.

AJ
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Researcher

Jan 3, 2011, 1:40 PM
Sure, what ever you say 🤣
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