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Don't do it T-Mo!

AndroidRules

Dec 2, 2010, 7:03 PM
Stay away from WiMAX. Yes I know it's tempting but no, just be patient and hold out for LTE. WiMAX is not your best interest or your customers. It's a niche play. You're a global company that uses a global technology. Stick to what the world will be using. Sprint will learn their lesson when WiMAX fails and implement LTE aka "Plan B".
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eric_cartman

Dec 2, 2010, 7:12 PM
I'm pretty sure T-Mo will stick with LTE. Whatever tech they use in EU will be the one they'll use here.

I think the reason they may invest in Clearwire is if Clear decides to switch from WiMax to LTE, or get access to more spectrum. However, nothing is certain until officially announced.
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DiamondPro

Dec 2, 2010, 7:45 PM
Wimax is not niche play its the best 4g option avaliable in the WORLD right now even better than lte. Clear is low on funding and tmobile is low on Spectrum and a real 4g solution. It would be in tmobile best interest to invest in clearwire or atleast buy spectrum from clear to use for there 4g network weither it be Wimax or Lte. Sprint is the best option for 4g right now and soon after customers adopt verizon's over priced lte the proof will be evident. Sprint is the nownetwork and they are moving in the right direction. 😎
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dj89

Dec 2, 2010, 10:49 PM
Well, as a Sprint rep I would have to reply that Dan Hesse has expressed interest in LTE.
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CamelTowing

Dec 3, 2010, 3:53 PM
dj89 said:
Well, as a Sprint rep I would have to reply that Dan Hesse has expressed interest in LTE.




This is true... But he also publicly stated last month that Sprint would be sticking with WiMax. However Clear has stated many times that they would be doing both WiMAX and LTE. They even bragged that their version of LTE would blow the competition away...
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Azeron

Dec 3, 2010, 8:11 PM
...words. Don't get me wrong. I like Sprint a lot. Seriously, what else would he say? Sprint floated the deal that since Wi-Max was first to market the other carriers should switch to it. THAT went over well. Of course, Hesse and the gang say they could do LTE. Notice the LTE goons aren't even considering flipping over to Wi-Max. I think if they can put both radios in a device...they should. Just. In. Case. Doing so is not a virtue, but rather a necessity. If Wi-Max were the overwhelming technology they profess it to be, they would not dare think of transitioning away from it in the future. Thou must always cover thy arse. I do not see the point of congratulating Hesse for doing what anyone with good sense SHOULD do.
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CamelTowing

Dec 4, 2010, 12:51 PM
Azeron said:
...words. Don't get me wrong. I like Sprint a lot. Seriously, what else would he say? Sprint floated the deal that since Wi-Max was first to market the other carriers should switch to it. THAT went over well. Of course, Hesse and the gang say they could do LTE. Notice the LTE goons aren't even considering flipping over to Wi-Max. I think if they can put both radios in a device...they should. Just. In. Case. Doing so is not a virtue, but rather a necessity. If Wi-Max were the overwhelming technology they profess it to be, they would not dare think of transitioning away from it in the future. Thou must always cover thy arse. I do not see the point of congratulating Hesse for doing what anyone wit
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Azeron

Dec 4, 2010, 2:18 PM
Concentrate on reading comprehension skills before replying to any more of my posts. There is nothing critical of Sprint launching Wi-Max in my previous post. The gist of it is if Sprint or Clear have a plan to switch to LTE in the future if it does becomes neccessary then that IS a good thing but nothing to crow about. The End.
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CamelTowing

Dec 5, 2010, 2:29 PM
My comprehension skills are just fine Azeron. And my patented "hate-o-meter" is working just fine as well.
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Megatron

Dec 2, 2010, 10:05 PM
Hahahahahaha! I love it! Who says that if LTE becomes the standard (a la VHS v. Beatmax or HD DVD v. Blu ray) that Sprint and Clearwire aren't ready for the switch? Plus, when Big Red goes live with their LTE, their spectrum holdings won't be able to support their very large customer base. It will bring their LTE network down or make it much slower then advertised! Their success in numbers will bring down their speed in LTE! Don't get me wrong, VZW is on top right now for a reason, however, having a two lane highway doesn't do you much good in rush hour traffic! But, if a similar city has a five lane highway and smoother speed and more covered miles, you might just see a change in population size!
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CellStudent

Dec 2, 2010, 10:49 PM
Megatron said:
Plus, when Big Red goes live with their LTE, their spectrum holdings won't be able to support their very large customer base... Don't get me wrong, VZW is on top right now for a reason, however, having a two lane highway doesn't do you much good in rush hour traffic!

Has everyone else on this board forgotten that VZW holds 20 more MHz of unused AWS spectrum covering half the country that would be really, really easy to deploy in LTE?

MetroPCS is already pioneering LTE in the AWS bands. AT&T holds a ton of AWS bands that they will undoubtedly use for LTE after their 700 MHz build out, and T-mobile has no choice but to replace their HSPA+ network (in the AWS bands) with LTE as the future pr...
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DiamondPro

Dec 2, 2010, 11:00 PM
Not really... You forget that they dont have as much to play with as Sprint and clear and they operate in a crowded spectrum that bound to have high interference from other signals. I think this is gonna play big in the Speed in coverage wars thats about to take place next year! So far Sprint is in the lead with coverage, price, features, usage, and most of all devices! 😎
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Menno

Dec 2, 2010, 11:14 PM
Do not argue with Cellstudent on tower tech. I know you're slow, so the first times a given. But you'll ALWAYS lose.
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CellStudent

Dec 2, 2010, 11:31 PM
Menno said:
Do not argue with Cellstudent on tower tech. I know you're slow, so the first times a given. But you'll ALWAYS lose.

😎
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CellStudent

Dec 2, 2010, 11:30 PM
DiamondPro said:
Not really... You forget that they dont have as much to play with as Sprint and clear and they operate in a crowded spectrum that bound to have high interference from other signals. I think this is gonna play big in the Speed in coverage wars thats about to take place next year! So far Sprint is in the lead with coverage, price, features, usage, and most of all devices! 😎


And you forget that 36 MHz of spectrum is TONS of space to deploy. Clear has far more than that in the 2.5 GHz bands, but they lack sufficient subscribers to justify actually using the 120 MHz blocks that they have. They only need to use a small fraction of it while the rest remains idle waiting for subscribers and cap...
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DiamondPro

Dec 2, 2010, 11:41 PM
Ill believe it when I see it. Right now Sprint is in the lead and I don't see that gap closing anytime soon. Even if it does they still cant match the value Clear and Sprint offer with 4g wimax and thats price, flexiblity, and usage!

Bottom line: Verizon lte has yet to be proven better right now everything verizon fanboys and people like you have said will mean squat in the real world. Show me the Speedtest and then Ill be convinced. So far the lte speeds verizon has are trash 7mbs my Wimax speeds are faster than that and nobody is using there lte network imagine how slow its gonna be with load.. and even worse during peak times!
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CellStudent

Dec 3, 2010, 1:44 AM
DiamondPro said:
Ill believe it when I see it. Right now Sprint is in the lead and I don't see that gap closing anytime soon. Even if it does they still cant match the value Clear and Sprint offer with 4g wimax and thats price, flexiblity, and usage!

Go ahead, continue fighting fact with fanboism. I can't stop you.

It will be thrilling to see how quickly the dynamic you describe changes in the next 4 months.

Every indication I've seen is that by the end of March HTC and Moto will have LTE smartphones on the market and Verizon will likely be at over 125 million POPs on LTE.

Based on the no-price-change for LTE data card pricing we witnessed this week, I'll wager VZW will not feel compelled to enf...
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Azeron

Dec 3, 2010, 2:49 AM
Your knowledge is very impressive. However, I shall defeat it by placing ear plugs in my ears and covering my eyes with dark sunglasses. I will NEVER be convinced! NEVER!!! Nyah, Nyah, Nyah! 😛 😛 😛
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Caucasian

Dec 3, 2010, 11:13 AM
Ultimately what I see though is an offering of really fast internet connection for a computer, not a phone, that is capped at 10GB for $80

On my connection card I regularly use 10-15 GB per month. Meaning if I monitored usage I'd fall into the $80 segment, and if I was careless I could spend $130 just for my internet. That's more than what my phone bill is for 2 devices with unlimited data usage each.

If the network holds up to the current speed tests that the handful of people who already have cards are showing, then you could burn through that connection in what some are showing to be less than an hour. Sure you can do some hardcore twittering and not worry, what about some other every day things? Hulu, YouTube, etc.

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Iknownothing

Dec 3, 2010, 4:41 PM
I know better than to argue with someone who knows more than I do. I would, however like to point out something about the ten dollar surcharge. If you're like I am and make 99 percent of your calls to other cell phones then sprint's pricing murders everyone else's. Surcharge or not. This is true for a lot of people. Particularly on large metropolitan areas.
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CamelTowing

Dec 4, 2010, 1:00 PM
Do you hang from VZW's nuts because you like the way they feel or the way they smell?
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WiWavelength

Dec 4, 2010, 3:03 PM
If I may speak for CellStudent, he is not a "fan" of VZW or any particular wireless carrier. While his post may have seemed to favor VZW and/or LTE, he sought only to counter DiamondPro's irrational enthusiasm for Sprint and WiMAX.

AJ
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CamelTowing

Dec 5, 2010, 2:26 PM
WiWavelength said:
If I may speak for CellStudent, he is not a "fan" of VZW or any particular wireless carrier. While his post may have seemed to favor VZW and/or LTE, he sought only to counter DiamondPro's irrational enthusiasm for Sprint and WiMAX.

AJ


Why is it irrational? He's a fan of something he gets to use. So that makes it irrational? Being a fan of something he has never used(vzw's lte) would seem to be a bit more "irrational". Cellstudent speaks for himself all the time... usually saying how superior LTE and Verizon is... The only thing you have accomplished is proving you aren't hanging too far from CellStudent.
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Azeron

Dec 5, 2010, 4:11 PM
AJ a fan of VZW? Very funny. 🤣
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CamelTowing

Dec 8, 2010, 5:37 PM
Wow it's like you got you very own phonescoop clique. You guys are awesome! Do you wear badges? Can I get one on ebay?
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Slammer

Dec 2, 2010, 10:10 PM
You do realize WiMAX and LTE are more less just branded names. right? Whatever the European parent company is using, is irrelevant. Tmo has no spectrum to build out the newer technology. ATT and Verizon have only enough spectrum to buildout their own networks. Sprint is in the best position to offer assistance. Tmo may be buying time with their network, but when the chips are down and the other carriers turn up the heat from LTE and WiMAX advances, Tmo will be in no position to overlook Sprint's offer.

It is what it is, regardless of what hatred you implement towards Sprint. As a consumer, there is never a better time to shift interest in the direction of Sprint. they want your business and they are dealing. At the same time, they are d...
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Jayshmay

Dec 3, 2010, 2:02 AM
I guess some people forgot this article on Phone Scoop. Sprint may be open to the idea, but T-Mobile isn't.

https://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=6708 »
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Azeron

Dec 3, 2010, 2:53 AM
Yes and Apple said they were not interested in developing a wireless phone up until the day that THEY decided to leak the info. These corporate types could teach Satan how to lie.
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muchdrama

Dec 3, 2010, 6:26 AM
AndroidRules said:
Stay away from WiMAX. Yes I know it's tempting but no, just be patient and hold out for LTE. WiMAX is not your best interest or your customers. It's a niche play. You're a global company that uses a global technology. Stick to what the world will be using. Sprint will learn their lesson when WiMAX fails and implement LTE aka "Plan B".


Absolutely. WiMax is dead.
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WiWavelength

Dec 3, 2010, 1:44 PM
muchdrama said:
Absolutely. WiMax is dead.


Nope. Currently, WiMAX is alive & well, though that may not be the case for more than another year or two. LTE may eventually replace it. But Sprint Nextel needed a solution for its BRS 2500/2600 MHz spectrum at least two years ago, not this year or next year. WiMAX was ready. LTE was not.

Do you ever have anything constructive to offer this forum? Or are you really are just a nattering nabob of negativity?

AJ
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muchdrama

Dec 3, 2010, 3:13 PM
WiWavelength said:


Nope. Currently, WiMAX is alive & well, though that may not be the case for more than another year or two. LTE may eventually replace it. But Sprint Nextel needed a solution for its BRS 2500/2600 MHz spectrum at least two years ago, not this year or next year. WiMAX was ready. LTE was not.

Do you ever have anything constructive to offer this forum? Or are you really are just a nattering nabob of negativity?

AJ


What were the choices again?
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Azeron

Dec 3, 2010, 8:23 PM
Pretty alliteration, AJ.
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Slammer

Dec 3, 2010, 9:55 PM
People hate, because WiMAX is harder to spell than LTE.

John B.
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DiamondPro

Dec 3, 2010, 11:18 PM
Basically 🤣

Or they will do whatever there carrier tells em to do. Kinda like apple drons. 🙄
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cakvalasc

Dec 4, 2010, 12:02 PM
Honestly, isnt Wimax and LTE simular enough to convert to either?

Sprint builds out Wimax then decides to migrate to LTE i figure the cost would be drastically lower then initial build out basically putting sprint in a good position to migrate and keep up and still released the first next generation data network before everyone else.

Right?
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Caucasian

Dec 4, 2010, 12:36 PM
They're similar, but the main reason they'll be able to do that is not because the technology is similar, but the newer cell-site equipment that is being installed.

The newer multi-mode towers are supposed to allow a software update after licensing is paid for and it would function as a 1x, EVDO-0, EVDO-A, WiMAX or LTE base station, depending on the needs of the area.

I believe Sprint is prepared for the future, everyone else seems to see the sky falling though.

Ohh well.
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cakvalasc

Dec 4, 2010, 1:49 PM
That seems to be always the effect, the sky is falling the sky is falling. On every change.
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