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Does that mean LTE is 5G?

texaswireless

Oct 27, 2010, 6:29 PM
Does that mean LTE is 5G?
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SublimeDavid

Oct 27, 2010, 6:44 PM
to be true 4g the network has to be 100mbps and nothing comes close even today, its just a term being tossed around but 4g is easier for the average consumer to understand rather than hspa plus since they dont know any better.
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texaswireless

Oct 27, 2010, 6:49 PM
I completely disagree with that assessment. 100 Mbps is not a benchmark to which everything else is 3G.
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SublimeDavid

Oct 27, 2010, 6:53 PM
I said it was the benchmark for 4g not 3g, read my response again
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SublimeDavid

Oct 27, 2010, 6:57 PM
also, most of the time people come into my store saying sprint has 4G! and that it is better but usually get enlightened when we tell them our network has been prven to be faster than wimax thus far. It's all marketing and hype. The highest most networks will allow to go through is 8mp connections so unless youre dowloading large files or watching whole movies on your phone speed wont matter that much just latency will be important for people looking for fast loads from webpages.
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SublimeDavid

Oct 27, 2010, 7:01 PM
mb' not mp sorry..
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Jayshmay

Oct 27, 2010, 8:21 PM
8mb/s? I've gotten over that quite a bit of times on Clears network. I've even reached 15mb/s a few times.
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DiamondPro

Oct 28, 2010, 12:38 AM
Yea 8mbs is the fastest I have seen on tmobile but I go past that Speed daily I wish people would stop spreading this lie about tmobile being faster they suck and need to build out more 3g before they can even talk about 4g
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justfinethanku

Oct 28, 2010, 9:22 AM
I wish people would stop spreading this lie about tmobile being faster


You mean people like, uh, Phonescoop?

You don't actually **read** the articles, do you?
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KNOWSmuch

Nov 1, 2010, 11:37 AM
And you do realize that Clear has about 50% less coverage than Tmo does with HSPA+. I have the G2 and I have seen speeds up to 12mbps. The device tops out at 14.4. Next year they are going to up the speeds to 42mbps and then 84mbps after that.
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DiamondPro

Oct 28, 2010, 12:36 AM
Wrong I have gone over 8mbs consistantly on my Epic 4g tmobile does not have a faster network then Sprint sorry! tmobile is still trying to ketchup the g2 was a big fail and the my touch is what the g2 should have been regardless Sprint is faster then tmobile and they have 4g tmobile doesnt!
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justfinethanku

Oct 28, 2010, 9:38 AM
tmobile is still trying to ketchup the g2


Damn, how do you think they are going to manage that? I didn't know T-Mobile was in the condiments industry.


Sprint is faster then tmobile and they have 4g tmobile doesnt!


I can understand how you can think that. You're still wrong. No matter how many times you state this "fact" it doesn't make it correct.
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Debo

Oct 28, 2010, 10:19 AM
is infact faster. TMo can reach 14.4Mbps in fact, Sprint's network can't touch it.
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DiamondPro

Oct 28, 2010, 6:25 PM
Wow reading the brochures! 🤣

That 14.4mbps u refer to is the max speed the chip in the g2 can go on Hspa+ not the actually speed it gets from tmobile! 😉

tmobile post there theoritical speeds like 21mbps down and 5mbps up. But those are not the real world speeds! 🤣

Sprint uses there real world results and those are more like 2-6mbps with max speeds above 10mbps on Wimax! Im personally getting 7-8mbps consistently and my fastest is 9.7mbps on my Epic 4g! 😎
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Debo

Oct 29, 2010, 9:42 AM
Yeah, that's true. 21mbps is the threortical speeds. But you don't realize one thing, that's what EVERY company advertises (yes, that includes Sprint). I said 14.4 because that's the highest speeds customers are going to see as that's all any of TMo's devices will use. If you want to get technical, TMo can get HSPA+ up to 42mbps.
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DiamondPro

Oct 29, 2010, 11:46 AM
And Sprints can get up to 70mbs! You still dont get it those are not real world speeds! U can run as many speedtest as u want on the g2 it will not hit 14.4mbs on Hspa+. Wrong Sprint does not advertise there theoreticial speeds! They dont even advertise the max speed you can reach on Wimax.
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KNOWSmuch

Nov 1, 2010, 12:07 PM
Probably because they just say "What can you do with 4G?" And the average consumer thinks that its faster than other services.
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furyx639

Oct 30, 2010, 4:08 PM
"Real Life" speeds are kind of a moot point until they can be measured with real traffic. As of now, Sprint has plenty more customers using bandwidth on their WiMax than T-Mobile has on their HSPA+.

Results, of course, may vary, but once T-Mobile has a decent HSPA+ handset offering, we'll see how well they can handle it.

I've only experienced T-Mobile's 3G. I recently opted to pay $200 to cancel my contract with them to switch to Sprint, who had just launched 4G in my area.
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KNOWSmuch

Nov 1, 2010, 12:15 PM
The cool thing with HSPA+ and the type of tech they use is, its back-wards compatible. Which means, current 3G handsets can take advantage of the speeds without upgrading the handset or charging people $10 so they can use someone else's network. 😁
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texaswireless

Oct 27, 2010, 7:09 PM
I read your response. I disagree. Just because I disagree does not mean I do not understand what you said. LTE is considered to be 4G industry-wide. Your assessment that 4G must be 100 Mbps is not correct.
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SublimeDavid

Oct 27, 2010, 7:31 PM
yes it is, its the standard, just because a network has the infrastructure to be 4g doesnt mean its really a 4g speed and no you didnt understand seeing you decided to put 3g in there.
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texaswireless

Oct 27, 2010, 7:57 PM
Cite your source. Your opinion is incorrect.
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Jayshmay

Oct 27, 2010, 8:30 PM
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texaswireless

Oct 27, 2010, 8:39 PM
I will do some research on this subject later. Not sure who elected this group to set the standards.
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ells2187

Oct 28, 2010, 4:49 AM
dude, its common knowledge among techies. 100 mps is pretty crazy considering what is "4G" now but that is where is should be to actually be called 4G. its just like VZW calling its first android phone "Droid". which in the eye of the costomer makes verizon the first company to have "droids" *facepalm* it seems stupid to me and you, but to the uninformed/missinformed it seems like the word of god. but i do agree with your thought process, most 3G speeds are under 8mps. and with 1oo mps being the bench mark for 4g, what do we call everyhting between? 3.5G?
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floex831

Oct 30, 2010, 1:40 PM
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KNOWSmuch

Nov 1, 2010, 12:44 PM
Check out www.ITU.com They are the International Telecommunications Union. They pretty much set the standard across the board. If it doesn't have "-Advanced" next to it, then its not true 4th Generation Technology. If you search 4G, you will see the results. If you still don't understand, there is a "layman's" terms link for ya.
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Jayshmay

Oct 27, 2010, 8:23 PM
Well guess what! The International Telecommunications Union defines 4G as 100mb/s, welcome to the truth!
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texaswireless

Oct 27, 2010, 8:33 PM
Post a link.
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justfinethanku

Oct 28, 2010, 9:28 AM
Dude, he already posted a link AND you responded to that link.

The 100MBS benchmark is a very commonly known requirement in the wireless industry. The fact that Sprint, Verizon and AT&T are calling their current and future networks "4G" is completely arbitrary unless they benchmark THOSE SPEEDS.

I understand your mis-informed, that sucks. Most of the general public is mis-informed as well. You know the truth now, there isn't any need to argue about it.
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texaswireless

Oct 28, 2010, 10:45 AM
He put up the name, not a link. What I am going to do now is post a LINK.

I am sorry but LTE is considered 4G and is not considered a minimum for the technology to be considered 4G.

http://www.3gpp.org/Clearwire-Paves-Way-for-LTE-in-US »

- Link confirms technology chosen by Verizon Wireless

http://www.itu.int/newsroom/press_releases/2009/48.html »

- Link confirms 3GPP LTE is considered "true 4G" by the agency cited as setting the standard.

http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/press_releases/20 ... »

- Link confirms that as of October 21st, 2010 ITU has confirmed LTE Advanced (see footnotes at bottom of article) as "true 4G".

Whether by misreading the posts or by sheer desire to hover on a figure that really isn't ho...
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justfinethanku

Oct 28, 2010, 10:52 AM
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SublimeDavid

Oct 28, 2010, 11:04 AM
no one is denying that lte is a type of 4g technology what they are saying is that it's current speeds arent...

here you go...

http://www.rethink-wireless.com/2010/10/21/itu-picks ... »


lte release 10 must be 100 mbps to be considered 4g , lte in it's current form will not achieve 4g speeds, it will someday but it doesn't just yet. It's a loose term being used by cell phone companies since 4g being higher than 3g is easier for a consumer to understand. T-Mobile is smart to use this marketing instead of 3.5 g, why would the average consumer think that 3.5g is faster than 4g ? To me and you we know that that is not always the case but to the average consumer it wont be as obvious. I get customers all th...
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texaswireless

Oct 28, 2010, 10:55 AM
Because last time you posted for all to hear you were still a security guard at some car dealership.

Did you actually understand the subtle differences in the test performed by phonescoop? While I know they explained them did you get it? I don't think you did because your "welcome to the truth" posts make you look like a fool. The sample size was frankly irrelevant. If you want to have a statistical study you can't go out on an afternoon (or even a few days) and hope to gather any significant meaningful data.

I know you spend much of your time watching crap on your phone and some of it may even be research on these topics but you are NOT an expert.
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justfinethanku

Oct 28, 2010, 11:23 AM
...but the rest of us on this forum who disagree with you are, according to your implied definition of "expert".

Really though, let's eliminate the condescending tone and really discuss what's happening.

The cell phone service providers are using the term "4G" to hype up some noticeably faster speeds on their networks. The speeds are NOT in-fact 4G speeds, nor are the networks. No matter how you look at it ALL of the carriers are misleading their customers and the general public.

When T-Mobile says they have 4G speeds, they are comparing their speeds, which are DEMONSTRATIBLY FASTER to Sprints self-titled "4G" speeds.

It's an accurate comparison, although it is based on an outright lie perpetrated by Sprint.
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crammy1

Oct 28, 2010, 2:25 PM
i dont see why you guys are arguing if you really are experts and have done a lot of research about the topic... wimax(and lte) are both considered 4G tech, but unfortunately are not yet mature because as what jay said, it should be 100mbps to be really a 4G tech...but they have the potential of reaching that speeds so that makes them 4G, because its gonna be very confusing if we keep on calling them 3.5G and then after a year when they actually reach that speed we'll suddenly call em 4G when their the same tech anyways... so technically sprint and tmo's marketing is correct, wimax is 4G while tmo has 4G speeds(based on sprint's "current" 4G speeds)
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DiamondPro

Oct 28, 2010, 1:50 AM
You got a lot to learn! By the International Telecommunication Union's standard none of the US carriers have 3g the required Speed is much higher than what carriers average now for there proposed 3g speeds. Regardless those carriers have been using 3g technology and the difference from 2g to 3g is noticeable. Even tmobile finally after years on 2g now have 3g but since they got in so late they have the most advance 3g tech available after years of development and advancement in the tech. But tmobile has a very small 3g footprint and hspa+ is expensive and not cost effective which is why t mobile has lowered the data caps and changed to tiered data pricing. Verizon has the largest 3g network Sprint is 2nd but right behind them in coverage att...
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Jayshmay

Oct 28, 2010, 3:14 AM
The technolgy may be "4G", but the speeds aren't.
And btw, Phone Scoop did a comparison of Tmo's HSPA+ and Clear's WiMax, and in many cases HSPA+ proved to be faster, welcome to the truth.
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DiamondPro

Oct 28, 2010, 6:16 PM
Yes but did phones scoop post a video of the test?

Did you ever take network load into consideration? Wimax has more users and use then hspa+. Clear has home modems and usb adaptors for laptops that consume way more data then cell phones do! People use wimax for there home computers! Home computers pull down much more data (Gb compared to kb) and are connected to wifi. So hmmm I think if tmobile had the same amount of data usage it would be a lot slower! 😎
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justfinethanku

Oct 28, 2010, 6:36 PM
LIES!!! ALL LIES!!!! NO VIDEO IT WAS A LIE, PHOTOSHOPPED!!! PHONESCOOP IS LYING TO YOU ALL! OPEN YOU'RE EYES FOOLS!

Did you ever take network load into consideration?


Actually... yeah, HSPA+ sites provide 3G services to ALL of T-Mobiles 3G enabled phones weather HSPA+ compatible or not. It's a pretty full load to bear.
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furyx639

Oct 30, 2010, 4:36 PM
Did you read the article?

One last fact we learned while talking to Sprint about their WiMAX network is that parts of their Philadelphia network are already at capacity, meaning the network is "full" with existing users and, essentially, maxed out. Part of the reason is that the very same network is also being marketed under the Clear and Comcast brands, and both are advertising heavily here in Philadelphia. It's not a huge problem, though, because Sprint and its network partners own a boatload of currently-unused radio spectrum that they can use to add new capacity. That's exactly what they're in the process of doing, making this a temporary problem.


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justfinethanku

Oct 28, 2010, 9:33 AM
which is why t mobile has lowered the data caps and changed to tiered data pricing


WHAT???????

Can you do me a favor, because I sell T-Mobile myself, can you quote me the tiered pricing.

I don't want to mislead my customers anymore!

Wimax is 4g in its in the early stages and will soon evolve to even faster speeds with Wimax 2.


No man, it won't.

WiMax is dead. WiMax 2 will never be born. Even Sprint, who owns half of Clearwire, is refusing to invest any more money.
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SublimeDavid

Oct 28, 2010, 11:12 AM
none that I know of only that they are doing the 10$ for 200 mbs on an official email they sent out to us at the corporate stores. I forget where I saw 5g for mobile phones if on streamline, email, or official press release. 👀
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wdfichtel

Oct 28, 2010, 12:02 PM
Yep, the throttle point was popped down to 5GB from 10GB. but as for the data pricing, it's not that big a change if you have a data device. Unlimited is still the same price. The difference comes in the elimination of the $10 phone-first data. Instead it's $10 for 200MB (enough for most phone first anyhow) but can be put on the low end smartphones like the Charm. It was an internal memo a few days ago - you should be getting something on it soon.
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CellStudent

Oct 28, 2010, 12:15 PM
texaswireless said:
Does that mean LTE is 5G?



As you well know, what this really means is that 4G is undefined from a marketing perspective.

NONE of the real-world deployments of ANY "next-generation" technology actually qualify as 4G scientifically.

I think it's perfectly acceptable to label any service providing 5Mbps downloads 4G. It's good enough to stream 720p video, and that's about all any consumer level customer is going to need.
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texaswireless

Oct 28, 2010, 2:28 PM
Thank you for getting the joke. I had a bunch of dudes hopped up on red bull trying to techie me out.

It was meant as a joke that people are now using 4G for whatever they like.
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