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I can't think of a single valid reason to put this on...

bluecoyote

May 20, 2010, 11:34 AM
1) Sites like Hulu (much of whose content is elsewhere on the web like at NBC and ABC, etc.) is insanely slow.

2) What is that playing at, 8fps? And you have to navigate away from the page to stop the video?

Ridiculous.

3 This is on a Nexus One, which features hardware acceleration. Its video quality performance is worse than an HTC Hero decoding H.264 video, *and* it's worse than an original iPhone, both of which have significantly less processing power under the hood but are running a far more optimized codec.

Quite honestly the feature I hope they introduce first is the ability to turn Flash off.
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Phone_Revenger

May 20, 2010, 12:09 PM
enough said
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devilsmafia

May 20, 2010, 12:21 PM
I'm not sure why people bitch about what a beta can and can't do. Calm down people. I'm sure certain issues will be improved on. Just because a beta doesnt immediatley function the way that you want it to doesnt mean that eventualy it wont work that way with improvements.
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bluecoyote

May 20, 2010, 1:20 PM
is right around the corner. 🤣
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devilsmafia

May 20, 2010, 3:39 PM
Anything that you do on a smartphone murders your battery. 🤣
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muchdrama

May 20, 2010, 4:32 PM
devilsmafia said:
Anything that you do on a smartphone murders your battery. 🤣


Whoa! Let's not talk so rationally, okay?

We all know it's only Flash which kills a phone's battery.
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Jayshmay

May 20, 2010, 4:58 PM
Uh huh, that's why I have 3 spare batteries for my Droid in my pocket with me everywhere I go!!! 😁
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bluecoyote

May 20, 2010, 5:43 PM
Are you serious? That's uh.... pathetic. 🙄
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Jayshmay

May 20, 2010, 5:48 PM
At least I have the ability to change my batteries!!!
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muchdrama

May 20, 2010, 4:31 PM
bluecoyote said:
is right around the corner. 🤣


Let us all know when it gets there. Eventually.
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bluecoyote

May 20, 2010, 1:22 PM
Drain its battery dry in 2 hours.

Lock up randomly.

Crash when loading CNN.com

Suffer memory leaks.

Get ridiculously hot when trying to watch an episode of "The Office"

Pity me. 🤣
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muchdrama

May 20, 2010, 4:33 PM
bluecoyote said:
Drain its battery dry in 2 hours.

Lock up randomly.

Crash when loading CNN.com

Suffer memory leaks.

Get ridiculously hot when trying to watch an episode of "The Office"

Pity me. 🤣


The iPhone I used locked up while loading Phonescoop. It did it once. So I just KNOW all iPhones are POS.
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Phone_Revenger

May 20, 2010, 1:43 PM
Look bluecoyote, I can respect your position on how you don't like flash or anything that can drain a battery faster then it should. Or how certain programs work better for some and vice versa.

But damn it I want the choice to do it. If I want to visit my favorite sites I should, I know it will drain my battery faster I don't care I have a charger. If I step on the gas so I can drive faster I should, it shouldn't slow down so it will save me gas. If I turn on my surround sound, my 41" HDTV, and have the microwave make me popcorn I should do it, I shouldn't be locked out of the entertainment to potentially save me a high electric bill.

Every choice has a consequence, good or bad. But I want those choices, and I know what it will cost. ...
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gringo.mexican112

May 20, 2010, 3:05 PM
🤤 FD!!! 😛
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Phone_Revenger

May 20, 2010, 3:07 PM
sorry I don't know what FD is 😛
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gringo.mexican112

May 20, 2010, 3:13 PM
Fuertes Declaraciones
haha sorry that is spanish, but I just could not avoid posting because that is very popular in Mexico 🙂
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Phone_Revenger

May 20, 2010, 3:14 PM
I speak Spanish so now I see 😁
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bluecoyote

May 20, 2010, 4:16 PM
I'm not against choice. I'm against the justification for accepting half-ass quality development as being "open" and "about choice."

All that does is:

1) Screw over developers by wasting resources on legacy platforms that won't ever work right.

2) Screw over users by telling them a solution is "good enough" for the time being, who have to endure 2 hour battery life if they want to watch YouTube.

That's the attitude behind Flash, is that it's "good enough for now" It's not about someone telling you what you can and can't do on your phone, it's about providing developers with a clear roadmap for what makes up the mobile experience.
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muchdrama

May 20, 2010, 4:35 PM
bluecoyote said:
I'm not against choice. I'm against the justification for accepting half-ass quality development as being "open" and "about choice."

All that does is:

1) Screw over developers by wasting resources on legacy platforms that won't ever work right.

2) Screw over users by telling them a solution is "good enough" for the time being, who have to endure 2 hour battery life if they want to watch YouTube.

That's the attitude behind Flash, is that it's "good enough for now" It's not about someone telling you what you can and can't do on your phone, it's about providing developers with a clear roadmap for what makes up the mobile experience.


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bluecoyote

May 20, 2010, 5:27 PM
As someone familiar with their track record, I think Adobe's definition of "Good Enough" is "Half Assed."
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muchdrama

May 20, 2010, 5:58 PM
bluecoyote said:
As someone familiar with their track record, I think Adobe's definition of "Good Enough" is "Half Assed."


Right. You 'don't think they will'.

But you're not an software programmer. Hell, you're not even much of a poster.
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bluecoyote

May 20, 2010, 10:58 PM
I am a software programmer.


Here's a helpful time-saving hint:
When you disagree with me, you're likely wrong.
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muchdrama

May 20, 2010, 11:55 PM
bluecoyote said:
I am a software programmer.


Here's a helpful time-saving hint:
When you disagree with me, you're likely wrong.


And I'm James Tiberius Kirk.
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Slammer

May 21, 2010, 12:32 PM
By nature, Most individuals are not going to wait until things are perfected. They want what they want, and they want it now. I certainly can respect your will to reward yourself with the very best. Even if it means waiting for it. Statistically though, you are very much out numbered. I am already witnessing on my end, the amount of individuals growing tired of their beloved iproduct.

You preach of how well Apple does things better. This maybe quite true and many won't dispute your beliefs, but historically, it hasn't mattered. Easy accessibilty without restrictions has always dominated over Apple's product focus. Now history is almost about to repeat itself once again. I don't know why it is so hard for people to understand this. Apple w...
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Jayshmay

May 20, 2010, 5:08 PM
First of all I aready told you that Apple has been half assing the Iphone for a while, itg had *very* basic functions missing for a while.

Anyway, here, read this and be educated!!!

http://www.androidcentral.com/androids-andy-rubin-it ... »
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bluecoyote

May 20, 2010, 5:33 PM
I wrote a reply about how Apple waiting to correctly implement a feature was not half-assing it. Go read it so you know you're wrong.

Second off, what Andy Rubin is saying is exactly why I'm saying Android is garbage- apparently phones are "Legacy" the minute they're sold. Hardware grows old, but that's why you plan for a product lifecycle, which he's essentially admitting they aren't doing very well for the device portfolio.

Apple's giving their phones a 1yr window and a 3yr development cycle. Looks like Android will be 12 months -at best- .
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Menno

May 20, 2010, 7:53 PM
and in those 12 months there will be more changes to the capabilities (hardware and software) of android than there were in three years of development for the iPhone. it's taking until os 4.0 for there to be significant changes to how the OS functions. In my book, that's nothing to be proud of.

(On a side note, I think any guy who loves tech and is signing a contract (or at most over a one year contract) is doing it stupid. Even the iPhone updates at once a year, so you're re-signing anyway. Sign a 12 month contract, or go unsubsidized if you're someone who really cares about having the latest and greatest)
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bluecoyote

May 20, 2010, 10:58 PM
Actually, the fact that the iPhone OS has kept so much in common over the course of 3 years (and still remained the benchmark) is its greatest strength and is tied in directly with the iPhone's superior application quality and ecosystem.

(I mean hell there still isn't a decent IM program for AIM)

It's also why there are far more iPhone developers seeing success with the platform (despite the supposed limits of Apple's curation) - it's easy to reach the entire iPhone platform, and development cycles are easily timed.
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muchdrama

May 20, 2010, 6:01 PM
bluecoyote said:
1) Sites like Hulu (much of whose content is elsewhere on the web like at NBC and ABC, etc.) is insanely slow.

2) What is that playing at, 8fps? And you have to navigate away from the page to stop the video?

Ridiculous.

3 This is on a Nexus One, which features hardware acceleration. Its video quality performance is worse than an HTC Hero decoding H.264 video, *and* it's worse than an original iPhone, both of which have significantly less processing power under the hood but are running a far more optimized codec.

Quite honestly the feature I hope they introduce first is the ability to turn Flash off.


Apparently you haven't read Eric Zeman's review of Flash on ...
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bluecoyote

May 20, 2010, 10:46 PM
It's on his video. Go watch it sometime before posting some ridiculously off comment.
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muchdrama

May 20, 2010, 11:55 PM
bluecoyote said:
It's on his video. Go watch it sometime before posting some ridiculously off comment.


What? That you can't control the in-browser video because the buttons are too small? You don't think this will be addressed in the non-beta?

Get off your high horse.
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IrishCarBomb

May 20, 2010, 8:43 PM
Flash has been supporting and using H.264 codec for a long time, and the mobile version of 10.1 uses H.264 as it's primary video codec... if you are a website developer, and you use the mobile optimization flash protocol, it puts all video in the H.264 codec.

I suspect you have no idea what you are talking about at all.
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bluecoyote

May 20, 2010, 10:45 PM
Here this is an easy one.

Flash supports the H.264 codec, however it's a wrapper format. That means rather than the OS natively decoding H.264, it's decoded by the Flash software acting as the middleman.

Yes Flash supports H.264. Most video content you see with the Flash wrapper is H.264. The issue is Flash as a Wrapper, which cuts battery life by about 70% from the Android demos compared to the same videos played natively.
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IrishCarBomb

May 21, 2010, 2:03 AM
Dude, instead of tossing out first year CC programming terms, do some actual research.

http://www.24worldnews.com/adobe-flash-10-1-for-andr ... »
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bluecoyote

May 21, 2010, 11:22 AM
Your response is that you're linking to an article that says Flash has H.264 decoding. As if this is uh... somehow a contradiction to my earlier statement.

Is this entire argument over your head? Do you not even know what a wrapper format is? 🙄
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IrishCarBomb

May 23, 2010, 12:47 PM
It is equipped with hardware acceleration with H.264 video decoding


That is the line in the first article I linked you... notice the use of complex statements like "hardware acceleration with H.264"...



http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Flash_Player_10 ... »

H.264 video hardware decoding

Flash Player 10.1 introduces hardware-based H.264 video decoding to deliver smooth, high quality video with minimal overhead across mobile devices and PCs. Using available hardware to decode video offloads tasks from the CPU, improving video playback performance, reducing system resource utilization, and preserving battery life.


That is directly from Adobe them self.

Do you w...
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