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Smoke and Mirrors

scorpio

May 17, 2010, 7:00 PM
Wow, some are fooled by the smoke and mirrors, Sprint will have 2 years on Verizon with their 4G network. Verizons promise of 30 4G markets by years end was smoke and mirrors as well. I'll bet a doughnut, that Verizon dumps LTE, mainly due to the incompatibility issues between LTE and Verizons current network. Also, NO the iphone is not going to Verizon, neither is the EVO. I find it interesting that phonescoops title says, "Within a year", other sites say, "By mid-next 2011."
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scorpio

May 17, 2010, 7:04 PM
I would not be surprised if all of these iphone rumors going to Verizon, were from Verizons management. Too much of a coincidence.
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Menno

May 17, 2010, 9:26 PM
No, it's idiots who are so rabid about a device that they'll find clues where there's only shadows.

Verizon WOULD NOT leak rumors about the iphone because it would be TERRIBLE for business.

1) Falling sales (especially smartphones) because people are waiting on the iphone
2) Annoying idiots calling EVERY F(*&^ Day asking about it/
3) The backlash when it doesn't come when the rumors hit could cause MORE port outs.

Seriously.. leaking news like this makes NO sense.
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crammy1

May 17, 2010, 10:38 PM
actually its very possible that they did.. how many employees of every company are registered on different forums, some of them being "fanboys," of course it is something that they cannot legitemetly say thats true. its all about propaganda, it has been shown time and time again that the ceo of verizon himself is willing to say anything and everything just to stop people from leaving. its very possible that they mentioned first that their getting the pre and then worked with palm to get it after sprints exclusivity. again its verizons propaganda machinery at work here specially when somebody else beats them to something first(which always happens btw).
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Menno

May 17, 2010, 10:59 PM
Leaking information that WON'T come to pass destroys sales.

an Iphone is SOLEY up to apple, more specifically Steve. Unlike palm, apple won't just bend to the promise of more sales. they want stuff on their terms.

And the palm announcement was a PRESS RELEASE. not rumors spouted by tech blogs, or troll posting by fanboys on internet forums.

Seriously... I didn't know it was possible for people to be paranoid about phones. So what's next? is verizon behind the increased costs of the evo now too? or are you saving that theory for next week?
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Azeron

May 18, 2010, 12:25 AM
I think just the fact that Sprint is in a position to demand a premium data plan for the Evo is proof that the Evo is THE device now. Rarely does Verizon find itself responding to something Sprint does, but Wi-Max and now an actual Wi-Max phone has Lowell out front singing about Verizon's upcoming LTE handsets. How about actually bringing the LTE network online to the general public first, Mac?
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Kaztro

May 18, 2010, 9:39 AM
they have been talking about the LTE network for the better part of a year now, and it's always been said from day one that they want it don't by the end of this year. how it is a reaction to Wimax ?
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crammy1

May 18, 2010, 6:58 AM
woah!
im not against you here... jeez
all im saying is that verizon is doing a great job in keeping a strong hold of their current customers.. every time somebody releases something good they would say something to the effect that "we'll be having that too, you just have to wait," and unfortunately for their competitors they do wait, and about your statement

"Leaking information that WON'T come to pass destroys sales."

in regards to the verizon iphone rumor, u cant really say that because it did help, our friend here azeron could attest to that, he was always posting for a good part of last years discussions that he was waiting for the vz iphone and that he wont upgrade from his curve because of that. and you cant say that for thi...
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Menno

May 18, 2010, 12:02 PM
Ok let me break it down for you.

With the palm pre, evo 4g, wimax etc there wasn't a CULT following them. They could promise the moon, let it not come to pass, and there wouldn't be much of an issue.

With the pre or those other examples, they might keep a few thousand from jumping ship. With the iphone, if they released a rumor they would prevent MILLIONS of people from upgrading because those people were waiting for it to be announced in June/September.

Verizon is ALL about data. They're not going to man an announcement that would DESTROY their data activations for 4+ MONTHS for any reason. This wouldn't help retain customers (those who really want an iphone no matter what left already) and if it didn't pan out there would be a...
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crammy1

May 18, 2010, 3:46 PM
he stopped when the vphone was announced.
all your points may be very well the truth, but you cannot dismiss out this "theory" because your points are also theories of what they might have done. we are debating speculations only after all, though your right that that stopped people from buying phones if its true that it came from them, you must remember that they are a service provider, they dont earn money with selling phones, they sell the service, with or without a contract they earn from those people that stay and wait.

~sure those things dont have a cult following but still they viewed it as threat, thats why they issued announcements which almost always starts with "will have that too".... before sprint successfully releases them.
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Menno

May 18, 2010, 3:59 PM
the pre was never viewed as a threat
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crammy1

May 18, 2010, 6:42 PM
says you?
who are you kidding? when it was announced, atleast, it was a very full featured phone. unfortunately a couple of phones came out before it did that stole its thunder and of course it didnt help that both CEOs of att and verizon stated about 2 or more weeks of palm pre release that they'll be getting the phone too after december. a lot of people was excited about the palm pre..
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Menno

May 18, 2010, 7:34 PM
not says me. says sales figures. Says the dumb look people give you when you ask them if they've ever heard of the pre.

WebOS had a TON of potential, people were excited about it. and then it took MONTHS to launch, was plagued by crappy hardware (says any tech blog.. google it), and an even crappier ad campaign. If the device launched within weeks of it being announced, it could've been huge. Instead it languished as futureware for months, and when it finally saw the light of day, it's rate of adoption was... sad, to say the least. It stopped being a hot product after it failed to show after the first month.

If you really think people defecting for the Pre would hurt any carrier.. you really don't understand the market.

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crammy1

May 18, 2010, 8:25 PM
Menno said:
If the device launched within weeks of it being announced, it could've been huge. Instead it languished as futureware for months, and when it finally saw the light of day, it's rate of adoption was... sad, to say the least. It stopped being a hot product after it failed to show after the first month.
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this is actually my point.. they were really looking great from announcement (january) to around april, but 3GS etc. was announced and, well u know what happened.
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Menno

May 18, 2010, 8:30 PM
arn't threats
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crammy1

May 18, 2010, 8:46 PM
😁 🤣
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crammy1

May 18, 2010, 7:07 AM
but your point about the backlash is absolutely correct.. its just that whenever that comes is not important, what is important is that they stop people from leaving because of the iphone in att NOW. the present is whats important, they could just hope or maybe say after a year that "were not getting the iphone because we are already getting the HTC PERFECT phone(or something like that) which we found has a lot more better features and provides better user experience." sounds familiar? *eherm nexxus1 eherm* 🤣
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Menno

May 18, 2010, 12:05 PM
People who would leave for ATT for the iphone already have. there are only a few straglers.

and again, you are comparing a phone that MIGHT sell a few thousand (or even hundred thousand) units like an UNSUBSIDIZED N1, to a phone that would most likely sell MILLIONS and have a significantly higher portion of Port in new activations (peoplee coming back from ATT)

And once again, the N1 announcement was OFFICIAL, not rumors spread by people online or idiot journalists.

There is absolutely no connection between them no matter how much you wan there to be.
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crammy1

May 18, 2010, 3:55 PM
ok... sure .. you dont have to take my post literally. my point is that they just continue being quiet about the iphone let the rumors run around and die a natural death and just realese better phones. the important thing is that they stop as much people as possible from leaving in the present(which was last year, when the vz iphone rumor was everywhere) and let the future take care of itself(this year).while your right that most of them already left, a lot of them also just tried the other phones that did come out like the droid, when they got tired of waiting(specially early adopters that likes buying phones retail).
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Menno

May 18, 2010, 4:01 PM
The argument of the thread creator (the one you are responding to) was that verizon CREATED the iphone rumors.

Context helps
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crammy1

May 18, 2010, 6:45 PM
yup, and you said that they didnt, and my point is you cannot remove the possiblity that they did. it could go both ways.
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Menno

May 18, 2010, 7:29 PM
Because the rumors are a LOSE LOSE for them.

It's really simple economics
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crammy1

May 18, 2010, 7:31 PM
sure dont get mad 👀
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Menno

May 18, 2010, 7:45 PM
I'm not getting mad, I just don't get why you are trying to work this angle so hard.
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crammy1

May 18, 2010, 8:20 PM
no im not.. =) im just answering to your replies. i just think that you cannot disregard this angle because it still is plausible, and your point is also just speculation too. and i just want to point out that verizon would do anything to keep their customers and that includes posting their "we will also get that.." announcements.
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Menno

May 18, 2010, 8:34 PM
explain to me how thousands, if not MILLIONS of customers holding off on upgrades for a device that won't show up, putting them out of contract and DESTROYING high end sales (at a time where data is everything) makes sense.

It's not a valid theory because it makes no sense when it comes to retention (people arn't buying iphones now in droves anyway, they are waiting on the new one.. and, like I said, the longer the customers wait before upgrading the more likely they are to defect.)

The palm announcement was more like "this doesn't completely suck like the Centro did, we'll get it once it's not a sprint exlcusive too."

again, you wouldn't have people defecting for the pre like they did for the iphone. even if it launched on announ...
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crammy1

May 18, 2010, 9:06 PM
i work for telesales. we are always reminded when we have an upcoming phone or plan to always be positive when we recieve a call from a cx asking about the upcoming thing. we need to be sure that the cust even though they still wont be able to get it would stay excited and will wait for the device, thats also the reason why most new things/innovations are announced early, so cx would know that there is something new coming and this is not the right time to switch boats (yet). if your gonna say that they dont want people calling about this thing, that is only true for care, but here in sales they encourage people to call us so every sales oppurtunity can be covered.

and again not being in contract doesnt mean anything there are a lot of pe...
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Kaztro

May 18, 2010, 9:48 AM
i agree man, what people seem to forget is that apple approched Verizon first about the Iphone and Verizon said no because Apple wanted to much. the truth is Verizon customers are more in a fuss about the Iphone then the upper management. Would Verizon like to have the iphone, of course who wouldn't it is a popular phone, But Verizons CEO has said the ball is in APPLES court. so i fail to see how leaking any info on the iphone is going to help a company that already refused it once is going to help said company.
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Azeron

May 17, 2010, 11:08 PM
you're smoking I don't want any of it. Conspiracy theories aside you failed to address ANY of Menno's legitimate points.
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joocee102

May 18, 2010, 2:36 AM
Leaking news whether true or not drives the consumer to either buy or sell. In a nut shell, information either true or not has intended and unintended affects.
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Kaztro

May 18, 2010, 9:53 AM
yeah but the point being made here is that if verizon was leaking info saying we're gettingthe Iphone, people who are due an upgrade will wait, won't upgrade and renew there contract. when it came out it was a lie, many of thouse who are out of contract now because they waited will defect.
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Menno

May 18, 2010, 12:06 PM
thank you for stating the obvious.

Leaking news about the iphone is NEGATIVE no matter how you look at it.
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Menno

May 17, 2010, 9:34 PM
1) LTE is as compatible with EVDO as Wimax is.. by your reasoning, sprint will drop Wimax any day now because it's too hard to build new towers. There are multiple successful tests showing data sessions seamlessly switching between LTE and EVDO, not to mention Verizon's a huge backer of VOIP, so they're most likely testing LTE-->1xRTT handoffs too.

And in case you missed it, they're still on track for the 30 market launch by years end (as this very press release stated).

2) Only rabid fanboys are talking about the iphone. The Evo won't come to verizon because by the time Verizon handsets have LTE, the Evo will be old news (aka 6-12 months from now) Welcome to android.

3. Within a year is "Sometime before may(ish) 2011" which...
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scorpio

May 17, 2010, 10:03 PM
Why do people bother posting when all they do is pull crap from their butts? LTE 700Mhz (which Verizon purchased) is GSM based, Verizon will run into many-many conversion issues. LTE-Advanced which is 2Ghz, is compatible with EVDO and Wimax. The spectrum Verizon purchased is old analog radio and T.V frequencies. At&t has similar spectrum, although At&t has the 800Mhz band as well.

More proof here: http://www.gsmworld.com/technology/lte.htm
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Menno

May 17, 2010, 10:35 PM
LTE is an evolution of GSM, it is NOT "GSM based". Just like a flying car is an evolution of the Model T, they don't start with a model T and upgrade it to fly. Just because something is the evolutionary upgrade DOES NOT MEAN that verizon needs to build out a GSM network. Their phones will be dualmode CDMA/LTE devices, like the Evo is CDMA/Wimax.

No company will waste their 4g bandwidth on 3g tech, so it doesn't matter if they put EVDO at the 700mhz band BECAUSE THEY WON'T. This is why your compatibility argument is NULL. A phone will have a voice (1xrtt) a 3g (EVDO RevA) and a 4g (WIMAX/LTE) Radio in it. They ALL operate with different towers and 3g/4g operate at different frequencies in BOTH cases. Seriously, you're pulling term...
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Azeron

May 17, 2010, 11:14 PM
the name Supersonic better than Evo. I was hyping the Supersonic long time ago and I am very happy that Sprint has a device that customers of other carriers can be jealous on not to mention a device that they don't have to give away the farm to get customers to sign up for. Go Sprint! Yay!
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Menno

May 17, 2010, 11:21 PM
I liked supersonic more as well. still don't know why they changed
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Slammer

May 17, 2010, 10:51 PM
It is very frustrating when you put all your time and energy into commisioning a format to attract attention and respect, only to have someone else come by and steal the attention. Verizon and ATT play this game very well. They also usually implement their strategy as planned which makes it even more difficult.

I am about as 110 percent Sprint as they come and enjoy the service I receive. I plan on remaining as long as they retain the level of improvement they have exhibited in the last two years. I'm proud to be a subscriber of a carrier that innovates rather than one that follows.

Trying to minimize Verizon's position in offering devices and service in the future, doesn't change anything. However, recognizing Sprint's history of acco...
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crammy1

May 18, 2010, 7:11 AM
"It is very frustrating when you put all your time and energy into commisioning a format to attract attention and respect, only to have someone else come by and steal the attention. Verizon and ATT play this game very well. They also usually implement their strategy as planned which makes it even more difficult."

exactly !
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Kaztro

May 18, 2010, 10:12 AM
And Sprints CEO said they are going with Wimax until the market says other wise, with AT&T, Verizon, and T-moble all looking like there going LTE, what way do you think the market will Say? then who will be following and who will be leading?
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Menno

May 18, 2010, 12:26 PM
Back during the 3g push, Sprint went with EVDV which allowed voice and data at the same time.

But data on cellphones was new, and DV was significantly more expensive than EVDO, which is what Verizon and the other CDMA companies went with. Sprint had to switch tech's then as well.

And to the people who said they (sprint) made the better choice initially.. it took 4-5 YEARS for simultaneous data and voice to even become marketable, and by this time, the technology is already obsolete. Because they switched to EVDO, their data footprint is several times larger.

I like the idea of wimax, but at the frequencies it is operating at, it will never be more than a city tech.
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Azeron

May 17, 2010, 11:05 PM
Damn! I despise Verizon as much as the next guy, but will you please shut the hell up?! Your post did not even disguise itself as anything meaningful. Just a hatchet job. Give it a rest and go enjoy your Wi-Max already.
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