Verizon CEO: No Merger with Vodafone, We Want iPhone
Verizon finally concedes to Apple
Well looks like Verizon is begging for a slice of the pie. A phone Verizon will have no control over.
...
Believe he is saying that when Apple gives in to what we want we will carry it! It's up to them!
...
At this point there is no reason for Apple to give in. The iPhone is still more successful than anything VZW has to offer. Verizon wants the phone, and Jobs isn't going to give up control. With all the rumors and talk out there- it sounds like Verizon is going to finally let go.
...
Maybe, maybe not. But VZW has more customers and a way better network! Apple might give in to them!
...
It's not about Verizon waiving the white flag at all. I know many AT&T fans will say that. The reality is this... Verizon was more than likely never the fore-runner for the IPhone.
Apple has expressed multiple times they wanted the IPhone available as globally as possible at launch, and GSM is the only provider that gives them that. Second, Apple wants major control over their device, with good reason, and VZW wants major control over the devices on it's network, with good reason. They are both two very large, powerful, stubborn companies. AT&T needed an ace in the hole, they were more willing to bend over backwards.
Now, what's different 4 years later? Apple wants to keep growing at it's current rate. WIth the number of Iphones it's ...
(continues)
Apple has expressed multiple times they wanted the IPhone available as globally as possible at launch, and GSM is the only provider that gives them that. Second, Apple wants major control over their device, with good reason, and VZW wants major control over the devices on it's network, with good reason. They are both two very large, powerful, stubborn companies. AT&T needed an ace in the hole, they were more willing to bend over backwards.
Now, what's different 4 years later? Apple wants to keep growing at it's current rate. WIth the number of Iphones it's ...
(continues)
...
Actually, it looks like Verizon just passed on it. Ordinarily I wouldn't believe such articles talking about who was supposed to have the iPhone first, but this one was published before the iPhone came out on AT&T
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2007-01-28-verizon ... »
Thing is, of course they want it. They've said it before that they want the iPhone..or rather the iPhone was welcome at Verizon. And the thing is, Verizon has never slammed the iPhone...Motorola did. But I think this says something about this rumored iPhone for CDMA. Their CEO is still saying it's up to Apple. Doesn't sound like there is a deal on the table just yet...but who knows.
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2007-01-28-verizon ... »
Thing is, of course they want it. They've said it before that they want the iPhone..or rather the iPhone was welcome at Verizon. And the thing is, Verizon has never slammed the iPhone...Motorola did. But I think this says something about this rumored iPhone for CDMA. Their CEO is still saying it's up to Apple. Doesn't sound like there is a deal on the table just yet...but who knows.
...
Those were Verizon ads- they paid for and worked with the agency on those spots.
...
From what I've heard, one of the largest issues came down to insurance and support.
Verizon wanted to have their techs authorized to do basic troubleshooting and send out for warranties. They also wanted the ability to insure the device against accidental damage. Apple said no to both.
Then add to the fact the following:
-Apple's last attempt at a PDA (the newton) wasn't what anyone would call a gamechanger.
-Apple's track record with devices was either they were HUGE hits (ipod) or flops (their computers. remember, big companies care about marketshare)
-They wanted complete control over the pricing, plans, and marketing for the device.
-Judging from how ATT has spent the past few years marketing, I would say there might also ...
(continues)
Verizon wanted to have their techs authorized to do basic troubleshooting and send out for warranties. They also wanted the ability to insure the device against accidental damage. Apple said no to both.
Then add to the fact the following:
-Apple's last attempt at a PDA (the newton) wasn't what anyone would call a gamechanger.
-Apple's track record with devices was either they were HUGE hits (ipod) or flops (their computers. remember, big companies care about marketshare)
-They wanted complete control over the pricing, plans, and marketing for the device.
-Judging from how ATT has spent the past few years marketing, I would say there might also ...
(continues)
...
This activate phone stuff doesn't make sense to me, with GSM it's the sim card that gets activated, not the phone. So therefore if somebody is an already existing IT&T customer, and already has an active sim card, then they should just be able to get the Iphone, put their already active sim in and badda bing their all set.
It's only with CDMA that the actual phone needs to get activated.
It's only with CDMA that the actual phone needs to get activated.
...
Jayshmay said:
This activate phone stuff doesn't make sense to me, with GSM it's the sim card that gets activated, not the phone. So therefore if somebody is an already existing IT&T customer, and already has an active sim card, then they should just be able to get the Iphone, put their already active sim in and badda bing their all set.
It's only with CDMA that the actual phone needs to get activated.
GSM phones have an IMEI number tied to the phone. So that number still must be entered into the computer to activate the phone. I know because I helped a young lady activate her GSM phone. The phone didn't work until the IMEI was activated. Once that is activated, then an existing SIM card will make...
(continues)
...
Well guess what, for about 3yrs I had 2 different handsets that weren't carried by ATT, cause they were too good for ATT. Sharp V903 & Nokia N95-3, and for that entire amount of time ATT didn't have my IMEI because they didn't carry these handsets.
My sim card was active, and that was good enough.
My sim card was active, and that was good enough.
...
Just because you didn't tell at&t doesn't mean they didn't know. A lot of generic gsm phones will typically work on at&t, but if you activate an iphone (with an iphone IMEI), at&t will sense it's presence, and before you can do anything it'll at the iphone data onto the phone automatically.
You're right though. You can stick an at&t sim card into an iphone and it'll work, but they get their money.
You're right though. You can stick an at&t sim card into an iphone and it'll work, but they get their money.
...
Neither of the phones I had were in there system, if if it's not in there system then it just comes up as unknowm.
I had the Sharp V903 & Nokia N95-3.
I had the Sharp V903 & Nokia N95-3.
...
You do realize that what Verizon's asking for is the ability to insure the device, right? So that way if you drop it you don't have to fork over a couple hundred dollars for a new one.
...
I know they manage asurion (which is about as crappy as a company can get) but tech support and the like is still done through verizon and at that time, you could do insurance claims in pretty much any verizon store (instead of having to call or submit a claim on the net)
...
the only thing att's tech support has to do is troubleshooting the network when it comes to iphone. if it turns out its not the network then the customer is directed to apple for support for the phone. i actually like that idea. the customer working directly with the manufacturer to troubleshoot their device.
...
I like it too, but most consumers won't understand it. and there are a lot of places Verizon is strong (like near me) where I would have to drive over two HOURS to get to the nearest apple support location.
Verizon customers are used to consistency partially because verizon likes consistency. It has it's benefits (less confusion for the customer) and it's problems (CLNR are typically not the best).
Heck, look at all the confusion the N1 is causing for verizon customers. Most of them cannot comprehend the idea of a device they can't harass customer support to get for free.
Verizon customers are used to consistency partially because verizon likes consistency. It has it's benefits (less confusion for the customer) and it's problems (CLNR are typically not the best).
Heck, look at all the confusion the N1 is causing for verizon customers. Most of them cannot comprehend the idea of a device they can't harass customer support to get for free.
...
Certified Like new replacements. If you have a model with few known issues (like the droid) it's not bad. but models with a lot of know issues (env3) the replacements arn't that great because they get cycled so much
...
I agree, CLNRs have definitely not been of top quality, but Im hopeful that will all change very soon. The problem really stemmed from warranty swapping damaged phones or abused phones, that weren't really fixable. In the end those handsets made it back out into the market because of the immediate need for more CLNRs. As VZW cracks down on it's out of warranty policy's people will of course complain how poor the customer service is, but for those who truly have warranty issues they should be able to receive a truly working device. In theory anyways.
...
Apple knows that everyone who is willing to accept shoddy coverage for the sake of a gadget has ALREADY LEFT and gone to AT&T. They've had 3 years to make that migration.
They also know that in North America, the CDMA market is bigger then the GSM market ( VZW + Sprint >> AT&T + T-mobile) and they're basically ignoring over 1/2 the market in the wealthiest country on the planet by failing to make a CDMA variant.
So they have two choices:
1) Continue to squeeze the AT&T cow that will not be able to give milk much longer and let their market share stagnate, making all their money off residuals from App Store sales. This will force The CDMA carriers to sell Android handsets (which are very, very quickly becoming comparable if not sup...
(continues)
They also know that in North America, the CDMA market is bigger then the GSM market ( VZW + Sprint >> AT&T + T-mobile) and they're basically ignoring over 1/2 the market in the wealthiest country on the planet by failing to make a CDMA variant.
So they have two choices:
1) Continue to squeeze the AT&T cow that will not be able to give milk much longer and let their market share stagnate, making all their money off residuals from App Store sales. This will force The CDMA carriers to sell Android handsets (which are very, very quickly becoming comparable if not sup...
(continues)
...
Yes there is an amount, but I doubt AT&T would pay it, it would have to be a number comparable to the profit they could make with VZW and/or Sprint.
My guess is they are just debating price. VZW has an open network that can allow any phone/device to be used on its network. Doing this, VZW profit won't come from phones it will come from use of its network (aka your high monthly bill). Apple wants the money from phone sales AND a share of the monthly fee associated with the smartphone.
This will be interesting to see who comes out on top. Since the CDMA iPhone is going to happen, I see Sprint getting involved and possible saving its existence.
My guess is they are just debating price. VZW has an open network that can allow any phone/device to be used on its network. Doing this, VZW profit won't come from phones it will come from use of its network (aka your high monthly bill). Apple wants the money from phone sales AND a share of the monthly fee associated with the smartphone.
This will be interesting to see who comes out on top. Since the CDMA iPhone is going to happen, I see Sprint getting involved and possible saving its existence.
...
I think that is so, so crazy that a company thinks it has the rights to receive money from monthly fees associated with something they make. You never hear Sony or Samsung getting a cut from peoples monthly cable bills because their using a Sony or Samsung HDTV to acess the cable.
Apple should get money from hardware they made, and that's it. Monthly fees go to the company that made the network that the device is accessing.
Apple should get money from hardware they made, and that's it. Monthly fees go to the company that made the network that the device is accessing.
...
...you just have to name the right price.
Apple has shareholders to report to. The Board will have a hard time justifying a decision to walk away from 1/2 their potential customers for the purpose of infringing open competition.
Apple has shareholders to report to. The Board will have a hard time justifying a decision to walk away from 1/2 their potential customers for the purpose of infringing open competition.
...
They've been saying the same line for MONTHS.
People are just too stupid to pay attention.
Notice how they're not begging? They're saying they're interested and it's up to apple to make the next move.
People are just too stupid to pay attention.
Notice how they're not begging? They're saying they're interested and it's up to apple to make the next move.
...
Couple of issues that Verizon needs to fix before iPhone will be available...
Be able to talk and do data at the same time.
Be able to use the iPhone in the rest of the world when traveling.
Is there any VZ hot-spots out there?
I wonder if Vodaphone in Europe has the iPhone?
Some thoughts for VZ tech dep.... 😉
Be able to talk and do data at the same time.
Be able to use the iPhone in the rest of the world when traveling.
Is there any VZ hot-spots out there?
I wonder if Vodaphone in Europe has the iPhone?
Some thoughts for VZ tech dep.... 😉
...
Hey, glad to know you understand nothing about cell technology!
-CDMA is Data only. It's not something that they can "switch on" data and voice at the same time will come with 4g. That being said, there are a heck of a lot of people who won't care. Considering they didn't jump to ATT because of shoddy 3g in their area anyway, and this ONLY works on 3g.
-They're called global roaming phones. Both CDMA carriers offer them. Look into it.
-There are hotspots. here's the kicker.. you don't need them as much.
-CDMA is Data only. It's not something that they can "switch on" data and voice at the same time will come with 4g. That being said, there are a heck of a lot of people who won't care. Considering they didn't jump to ATT because of shoddy 3g in their area anyway, and this ONLY works on 3g.
-They're called global roaming phones. Both CDMA carriers offer them. Look into it.
-There are hotspots. here's the kicker.. you don't need them as much.
...
"Memo" you are bit confused and you do know everything about cell technology... 🤣 Nothing wrong with that.
People do care, especially iPhone users that AT&T have now. They wont settle for a second phone to be able to multitask voice and data. You are referring to 4G which would be LTE according to your high level of knowledge. That will be starting to build out in 2011 so you would have to have an iPhone that will be able to work on old EVO then LTE and GSM for the rest of the world...That would be one heck of phone "Memo". Maybe with your high level of technology knowledge could design...????
People do care, especially iPhone users that AT&T have now. They wont settle for a second phone to be able to multitask voice and data. You are referring to 4G which would be LTE according to your high level of knowledge. That will be starting to build out in 2011 so you would have to have an iPhone that will be able to work on old EVO then LTE and GSM for the rest of the world...That would be one heck of phone "Memo". Maybe with your high level of technology knowledge could design...????
...
LTE will cover 1/3 of americans by the years end, 2010. 2011 will be when you'll see the first LTE phones, so you wouldn't see an "Iphone 4g" until next year. A lot can happen in a year, especially when it comes to making things smaller. Apple especially is a fan of this, and Verizon's Global phones (gsm/cdma) are already the same size or smaller than gsm phones.
Iphone users on att can stay on att. the iphone coming to verizon would be for VERIZON customers who don't want to leave their network. so no they wouldn't care. Add that to the.. how many? att customers who have the iphone but spend most of their time with only edge coverage. They can't do voice and data right now as it is, so a verizon phone will at least give them fast...
(continues)
Iphone users on att can stay on att. the iphone coming to verizon would be for VERIZON customers who don't want to leave their network. so no they wouldn't care. Add that to the.. how many? att customers who have the iphone but spend most of their time with only edge coverage. They can't do voice and data right now as it is, so a verizon phone will at least give them fast...
(continues)
...
"memo" the exact words that you just said was put out by Cingular in 2003 going from tdma to gsm. But your trust for verizon seems endless so I will just sit back and see what the remaining 2/3 Verixon users will do.
...
the other 2/3 will get covered as more towers are going up. and it is 1/3 of the population, not verizon subscribers.
4g phones will take awhile to catch on, and just like current att customers who get 3g phones now with no 3g coverage, the phones will be backwards compatible. You most likely won't see many 4g only plans until most of their native network is converted, which is going to be 2013 or 2014, but their 4g coverage will eclipse att's current 3g coverage long before that.
Remember, att has A LOT more to upgrade than Verizon has. Unless they expect people to go from LTE to edge when they have to use the interstate
If you watched Verizon's 3g rollout, you would know that they're very aggressive when it comes to rolling out...
(continues)
4g phones will take awhile to catch on, and just like current att customers who get 3g phones now with no 3g coverage, the phones will be backwards compatible. You most likely won't see many 4g only plans until most of their native network is converted, which is going to be 2013 or 2014, but their 4g coverage will eclipse att's current 3g coverage long before that.
Remember, att has A LOT more to upgrade than Verizon has. Unless they expect people to go from LTE to edge when they have to use the interstate
If you watched Verizon's 3g rollout, you would know that they're very aggressive when it comes to rolling out...
(continues)
...
Menno...maybe they didn't know. I read this forum a lot, but don't post a lot. You are consistantly a douchebag. Sure, let them know when they're wrong, but insults are unnecessary.
Anyway, do you think Apple will change the advertising they have out for the iPhone? The commercial where the guy passes the time sitting on hold surfing the net? Or do you think they'll just "AT&T only" brand the commercial?
Anyway, do you think Apple will change the advertising they have out for the iPhone? The commercial where the guy passes the time sitting on hold surfing the net? Or do you think they'll just "AT&T only" brand the commercial?
...
Read his reply and then try and tell me insults are unnecessary.
He was posting line for line from a luke wilson commercial. Why take the time to explain the same thing (the difference between gsm/cdma) again to someone who's to lazy to try and know better? He's been a member since 2005 and has posted quite a bit in that time. If he's a lurker like you he knows the difference.
I reply in kind to people here. If they come with a question and ask it, I'll try and find the answer for it. If they want to discuss benefits and costs of a certain tech I am all for it. but if you're going to copy paste arguments, or rant about something that you have no right to rant about (not being able to get out of contracts without paying an ETF) ...
(continues)
He was posting line for line from a luke wilson commercial. Why take the time to explain the same thing (the difference between gsm/cdma) again to someone who's to lazy to try and know better? He's been a member since 2005 and has posted quite a bit in that time. If he's a lurker like you he knows the difference.
I reply in kind to people here. If they come with a question and ask it, I'll try and find the answer for it. If they want to discuss benefits and costs of a certain tech I am all for it. but if you're going to copy paste arguments, or rant about something that you have no right to rant about (not being able to get out of contracts without paying an ETF) ...
(continues)
...
You've been a member for four months according to your profile. Were you a user under a different name prior to Dec 9, 2009?
...
Those are not truly issues, simply differences between the carriers. Until the launch of LTE, VZW's iphone should they get one will most likely only work in the states or other CDMA countries. EVDO and 1X can not transmit at the same time, and really, it's novel to have, but far from a necessity in most cases, most people aren't surfing the web at the same time as they are talking on the phone. and in terms of hotspots, VZW has hotspots, whether or not they will use them remains to be seen. AT&T uses them to lighten the load on it's network from iphone users, given VZW's reputation for network superiority as well as the chance to learn from ATTs mistakes with the Iphone, it's another mute point whether or not their Iphone would make use of V...
(continues)
(continues)
...
The vocie/data is a huge thing and only a Verizon user would not understand the multitasking possibilities.
Verizon will upgrade their network and will go through same process as AT&T went through going from TDMA to GSM....
Verizon will upgrade their network and will go through same process as AT&T went through going from TDMA to GSM....
...
a verizon user, a sprint user, most tmobile users, any att users struggling with edge, and a heck of a lot of att users with 3g who didn't realize it until the recent ads.
and the transition from TDMA-->GSM is not like the transition from 1x/EVDO-->LTE
and the transition from TDMA-->GSM is not like the transition from 1x/EVDO-->LTE
...
http://cdg.org/news/press/2009/Aug17_09.asp »
If it were a deal killer then it could be made a reality.
If it were a deal killer then it could be made a reality.
...
Verizon has phones which have GSM radios built into them already: The Storm, Storm2 and Tour have the 900/1800 bands for Europe and Africa and ALSO the 850/1900 bands for South America (which also happen to work on T-Mobile and AT&T if one can bully them into providing the unlock code, which is usually fairly easy).
...
This forum is closed.
