RIM Bringing Desktop Syncing to Macs
Awsome!!!!
Finally PDA manufacturers are starting to realize that Mac owners are an untapped market- some mac owners can't use the iphone for work and need a Palm (treo) or Blackberry- now these consumers have choices
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i hate macs but gosh darn it if the lack of syncing with mac's has made me lose alot of data sales 😲
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y wouldnt they be able to use an iphone for business? better than both palm and RIM for consumer use and business use.
well actually the RIM may have an edge on the busniess aspect but not by much.
well actually the RIM may have an edge on the busniess aspect but not by much.
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Kryger said:
y wouldnt they be able to use an iphone for business? better than both palm and RIM for consumer use and business use.
well actually the RIM may have an edge on the busniess aspect but not by much.
Simple: You are at your companies mercy as to what type of phone and carrier they choose AND Blackberries started in and still dominate the marketplace in business.
BES is an amazing setup for businesses...something Apple does not have
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Kryger said:
y wouldnt they be able to use an iphone for business? better than both palm and RIM for consumer use and business use.
well actually the RIM may have an edge on the busniess aspect but not by much.
The iphone is not even close to RIM for business use. BES servers are amazing, the iphone doesn't have that. Not to mention the iphone doesn't have push email and not everyone wants to type out a email on the onscreen keyboard. The iphone will never be a real business phone, no matter what the fan boys say.
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depends on your business. not all business people need BES servers. so an iphone is considered a real business phone.
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The Iphone is not a business phone. Yes I agree that it can be used as one. But only small weak companies wouldn't require BES or some sort of.
What business, honestly, what business would give its users Iphones? a kids toy! its full of apps and games that have little business use. then the employer would have to worry about its employee's downloading all the little cool apps and charging them to the company's account lol. No way, its not going to happen. The damn thing is a toy for crying out loud. 🤣
What business, honestly, what business would give its users Iphones? a kids toy! its full of apps and games that have little business use. then the employer would have to worry about its employee's downloading all the little cool apps and charging them to the company's account lol. No way, its not going to happen. The damn thing is a toy for crying out loud. 🤣
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you obviously don't have an iPhone nor have you ever used one so I don't blame your ignorance.
In order to download apps you have to have an iTunes account, if the company doesn't want to pay for apps they wont create an iTunes account and log in to it from all the iPhones.
The push e-mail for the iphone is as fast or if not faster than standard BES. I know this because if I send an email (from lotus notes) to my yahoo email and my Lotus notes (I bCC myself) my iphone dings before my computer.
In order to download apps you have to have an iTunes account, if the company doesn't want to pay for apps they wont create an iTunes account and log in to it from all the iPhones.
The push e-mail for the iphone is as fast or if not faster than standard BES. I know this because if I send an email (from lotus notes) to my yahoo email and my Lotus notes (I bCC myself) my iphone dings before my computer.
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murmermer said:
you obviously don't have an iPhone nor have you ever used one so I don't blame your ignorance.
In order to download apps you have to have an iTunes account, if the company doesn't want to pay for apps they wont create an iTunes account and log in to it from all the iPhones.
The push e-mail for the iphone is as fast or if not faster than standard BES. I know this because if I send an email (from lotus notes) to my yahoo email and my Lotus notes (I bCC myself) my iphone dings before my computer.
This is exactly why it's not a very good business phone for larger companies. A user could go home, create an itunes account and put their own apps on it. Companies basically have no control...
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The blackberry-style push email works just like what you said (emails usually show up on the device before the computer), because it is sent to them as a pseudo text message. So comparing the push between the two would be having both phones in the area hooked up to the service and see which phone receives the email first, which from my experience tends to be the Blackberry. Then again, I've never ran a test myself =P
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What are you talking about, according to your logic the Blackberry isn't safe either because all you need is a CPU that can sync to your blackberry and you can download a whole slew of apps from all over the internet...
actually its even more dangerous because you have no idea how much malicious code could be found in unapproved apps you download that aren't approved through the "Blackberry app store"
It boils down to the employees, if the company says "you will be in direct violation of security protocol if you download any 3rd party software to your provided device." then the employee should be punished.
actually its even more dangerous because you have no idea how much malicious code could be found in unapproved apps you download that aren't approved through the "Blackberry app store"
It boils down to the employees, if the company says "you will be in direct violation of security protocol if you download any 3rd party software to your provided device." then the employee should be punished.
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An iphone is not practical for many businesses. In my opinion it's just garbage, but that's just my opinion 🤣 😉
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whoa there, the iPhone DOES in fact have Push email. And to many the onscreen keyboard is superior to a physical one.
My business switched over to the iPhone from the Blackberry because the Blackberry lacks a powerful web browser and falls short on PDF support by comparison. By comparison, the Blackberry is an abacus.
My business switched over to the iPhone from the Blackberry because the Blackberry lacks a powerful web browser and falls short on PDF support by comparison. By comparison, the Blackberry is an abacus.
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bluecoyote said:
whoa there, the iPhone DOES in fact have Push email. And to many the onscreen keyboard is superior to a physical one.
My business switched over to the iPhone from the Blackberry because the Blackberry lacks a powerful web browser and falls short on PDF support by comparison. By comparison, the Blackberry is an abacus.
There is no superior touchscreen keyboard. Physical keyboards are still best for heavy users. Lots of complaints out there from women that can't use their fingernails to type on them.
And while I agree that the standard Blackberry browser is lousy, you can always load a better one on from Opera or others.
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"There is no superior touchscreen keyboard. Physical keyboards are still best for heavy users."
This is false. Although the lack of physical feedback is a setback, the onscreen keyboard of the iPhone is better by means of its flexibility (landscape vs. portrait) and software (effective autocorrect.) After the initial learning curve, I found for even heavy usage the iPhone's keyboard to be superior to that of the Blackberry's. I type faster on it, and there isn't nearly as much fatigue.
By comparison, I've found that physical keyboards limit you to a certain input style, making real-life usage difficult. For example, Blackberries are a little cramped for two-thumb typing and the G1 is impossible to use one handed.
This is false. Although the lack of physical feedback is a setback, the onscreen keyboard of the iPhone is better by means of its flexibility (landscape vs. portrait) and software (effective autocorrect.) After the initial learning curve, I found for even heavy usage the iPhone's keyboard to be superior to that of the Blackberry's. I type faster on it, and there isn't nearly as much fatigue.
By comparison, I've found that physical keyboards limit you to a certain input style, making real-life usage difficult. For example, Blackberries are a little cramped for two-thumb typing and the G1 is impossible to use one handed.
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Blackberry keyboards come in all shapes and sizes from the smaller curve to the mid-sized Tour to the larger Bold. Most people can find one style that is comfortable to use.
There are a lot of so-so physical keyboards out there though. I have heard complaints on the Pre with it's smallish keyboard and flatter keys for example.
Touchscreen keyboards do a good job of adapting in most ways to what the user wants (portrait, landscape, different keyboards types, and settings to minimize mistakes with individual typing styles) but lack of physical feedback frustrates the heavy users more it seems.
I have heard the same as you are saying that there are some fast iphone typers out there, but I don't believe this to be the norm. The most com...
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There are a lot of so-so physical keyboards out there though. I have heard complaints on the Pre with it's smallish keyboard and flatter keys for example.
Touchscreen keyboards do a good job of adapting in most ways to what the user wants (portrait, landscape, different keyboards types, and settings to minimize mistakes with individual typing styles) but lack of physical feedback frustrates the heavy users more it seems.
I have heard the same as you are saying that there are some fast iphone typers out there, but I don't believe this to be the norm. The most com...
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Oh there are, but no one style is ideal for all situations. The Suretype keyboards are great for one-handed use, awkward for more intense two-handed use. The regular keyboard is the same way. Hence that's what you gain with an on-screen keyboard.
On-screen keyboards also are not created equally- there are good ones (the iPhone), and poor ones (Samsung Instinct, Blackberry Storm.) It all comes down to software- the iPhone's keyboard is excellent because of the software (and everyone I know with one has little difficulty typing under most circumstances) - without AutoCorrect, it is a chore to type on.
On-screen keyboards also are not created equally- there are good ones (the iPhone), and poor ones (Samsung Instinct, Blackberry Storm.) It all comes down to software- the iPhone's keyboard is excellent because of the software (and everyone I know with one has little difficulty typing under most circumstances) - without AutoCorrect, it is a chore to type on.
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murmermer said:
Finally PDA manufacturers are starting to realize that Mac owners are an untapped market- some mac owners can't use the iphone for work and need a Palm (treo) or Blackberry- now these consumers have choices
It always was an untapped market, but a small one. Roughly what 95% have PCs? The rest were Macs (I love them and own them too). Now I hear the percentage of Mac owners is more like 10% or so.
I am still not sure how they will deal with software upgrades as they mainly come out in .exe formats
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HawkeyeOC said:
I am still not sure how they will deal with software upgrades as they mainly come out in .exe formats
I'm sure you'll see them as binary files in the .app format, much like you do with other applications on the Mac OS X.
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That's great -- and I hope that RIM takes it one step further by allowing desktop syncing in Linux.
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Linux... that's hopeful! I don't even KNOW any linux users honestly. Hahaha. I work in a call center with 600 people! I bet 1 or 2 use it, but man... They're hiding!
But as a mac user, I returned the BB specifically because it didn't work with my mac. I might be inclined to sell my G1 and get a BB. Maybe. Maybe.
But as a mac user, I returned the BB specifically because it didn't work with my mac. I might be inclined to sell my G1 and get a BB. Maybe. Maybe.
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Yep, there are some of us that are Linux users! I'm a multi-platform guy -- but right now I'm posting this in Linux. It may be somewhat of a stretch to have a BB syncing app in Linux -- but since OS-X finds it's foundation in UNIX -- which Linux is akin to -- there's always hope!
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HumanStudios said:
But as a mac user, I returned the BB specifically because it didn't work with my mac. I might be inclined to sell my G1 and get a BB. Maybe. Maybe.
PocketMac is free and is what RIM has been supporting for Mac users. It works well for syncing. where it fails is loading programs, updating OS's and complete backups.
NIce to see this finally happen 😁
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membari said:
That's great -- and I hope that RIM takes it one step further by allowing desktop syncing in Linux.
That would be really smart for RIM. Many businesses are migrating away from Windows to Linux for better control and reduced costs since there are virtually no licensing fees when running a Linux based system (some apps my have licensing fees, but Linux in and of itself, does not.)
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