Deutsche Telekom May Own Too Much of T-Mobile USA
Why is this brought up when VZW is owned 45% by Vodafone Group?
Where did you get that info? Wikipedia? I would not state any facts based on Wikipedia.
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Let me see If I can make this simple for you.
Verizon Wireless is owned (55%) by Verizon.
Verizon and Vodafone went in on Verizon Wireless. Therefore vodafone may own a few percent of the huge company that is VERIZON.
I don't see how people don't know this. Its just like when cingular was owned by ATT and Bellsouth before the merger of the two. Did that mean bellsouth owned 50% of ATT as they owned 50% of cingular? No.
Verizon Wireless is owned (55%) by Verizon.
Verizon and Vodafone went in on Verizon Wireless. Therefore vodafone may own a few percent of the huge company that is VERIZON.
I don't see how people don't know this. Its just like when cingular was owned by ATT and Bellsouth before the merger of the two. Did that mean bellsouth owned 50% of ATT as they owned 50% of cingular? No.
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The point is foreign companies aren't allowed to own more than 20% of a U.S. based communications company. Vodafone owns far beyond 20% of Verizon.
ATT/Cingular/Bellsouth can't be compared because ALL of those companies are U.S. based.
ATT/Cingular/Bellsouth can't be compared because ALL of those companies are U.S. based.
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No they don't how can you say that? They own 45% of verizon wireless NOT Verizon. Verizon is allot bigger then verizon wireless. I think I explained it perfectly clear in my last post guess not.
If they owned 45% of Verizon then yes. But not verizon wireless they are a sub company of verizon. I can't put it any differently so hope I explained it better..
If they owned 45% of Verizon then yes. But not verizon wireless they are a sub company of verizon. I can't put it any differently so hope I explained it better..
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That was my question. I thought they owned it all. Will have to look into that. I think Tmobile USA (sub company of Deutsche)owns the other 70%. It might be considered a US company as they operate here. Like the article said just might be a simply paperwork issue. And if that is the case what is the point of the rule?
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Verizon Wireless IS a separate company (joint venture).
The point remains, Vodafone is illegally owning a much larger than 20% share of Verizon Wireless (which is a separate company, so it is a telecommunication company on its own, and yes Vodafone owns more than 20% of it). Calculating the % of Verizon Comm that Vodafone is irrelevant, because yes it is less than 20% (but not much less since VZW is actually about half of Verizon Comm's revenue now).
So yes, if the FCC enforces this law, as it should, ALL foreign parties must relinquish greater than 20% ownership of any U.S. communication company (others too).
The point remains, Vodafone is illegally owning a much larger than 20% share of Verizon Wireless (which is a separate company, so it is a telecommunication company on its own, and yes Vodafone owns more than 20% of it). Calculating the % of Verizon Comm that Vodafone is irrelevant, because yes it is less than 20% (but not much less since VZW is actually about half of Verizon Comm's revenue now).
So yes, if the FCC enforces this law, as it should, ALL foreign parties must relinquish greater than 20% ownership of any U.S. communication company (others too).
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so newscorp, GE, turner all own hundreds of companies or do they all fall under the parent company? I can almost guarnetee verizon communications has final say over anything VZW does.
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wombough said:
so newscorp, GE, turner all own hundreds of companies or do they all fall under the parent company? I can almost guarnetee verizon communications has final say over anything VZW does.
Not the point, its the frying pan calling the kettle black. Their complaint may end up backfiring on them.
But then again, who knows? Its been no secret VZ wants total or near total ownership in VZW.
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thats a good question. it would be nice if the FCC would force Vodafone to sell off its controlling interest to Verizon Communications. thats what they have been wanting anyway.
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ah thats why its not been an issue. makes sense. Even if it did come up seeing, as Verizon Wireless is a seperate company if the FCC gets bored they could hassle VZW, it wouldnt be so bad.
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but that article states that they own 45% of the wireless division, and the quoted law states a foreign entity cannot own more than 20% of the common carrier licenses. their own site said they own 45%. so wtf is goin on...
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Verizon wireless is not a separate company so to say. It falls under the parent company of Verizon. Tmobile does not have anything but a wireless company. VZ is a publicly traded company VW is not as it falls under the public company of VZ.
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One can also make the arguement about Helio (50% owned by SK Telecom in South Korea), Virgin Mobile (50% owned by Virgin Group in the UK), and TracFone (subsidiary of America Movil in Mexico) I guess that the parent company and majority holder of the carrier must be U.S. only is what I'm getting from your argurement.
Also, how did the FCC not see this? Did DT already own the 30% when T-Mobile was rebranded in 2002 or did they eventually get to that number when they were reevaluated? Either way, it shows the ineffectivenss of the FCC...
Also, how did the FCC not see this? Did DT already own the 30% when T-Mobile was rebranded in 2002 or did they eventually get to that number when they were reevaluated? Either way, it shows the ineffectivenss of the FCC...
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VMO's don't count. They don't own licenses. They're essentially renting from the owner (Sprint).
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besides that, the ownership in all of those is less than 50% foreign, and helio is no more.
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Verizon Wireless is a separate private company. It's proper name is Cellco Partnership, doing business as Verizon Wireless. This is how Vodafone can stay out of Verizon Communications' affairs and just work on Verizon Wireless' stuff.
It's all here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verizon_wireless
It's all here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verizon_wireless
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It is not a separate private company. VZ shares rise when VZW does good. They are integrated when it comes to Verizon's bottom line. You read all the time verizon boosted by good wireless sales and so forth. That is also why they thought they would not be able to keep up with sprint on EVDO because of the money they were dropping for FIOS. But since FIOS is paying off big for them they are passing by sprint on all fronts.
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Of course VZ's bottom line is affected by VZW. It's the same way as how Berkshire Hathaway go up when Dairy Queen does well. They own them so they get their profits. It doesn't necessarily mean they are the same company.
VZW has their own CEO, CFOs, CIOs, ect.
FiOS meant that VZ couldn't invest as much money in VZW. Doesn't mean they are the same company.
VZW has their own CEO, CFOs, CIOs, ect.
FiOS meant that VZ couldn't invest as much money in VZW. Doesn't mean they are the same company.
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Oh, are they really? Youre comparing apples and oranges at this point. Sprint, while they remain in the business T1 LAN speed game (where they have Verizon beat), sold off all of their traditional phone service a few years ago. Sprint continues without fail to own and maintain the largest 3G footprint in North America, VZ does not. On a more basic level, Sprint continues still to offer plans that VZW tends to mirror, but add a $10 increase to. SprintNextel to this day is STILL the only carrier to offer Free Incoming Plans, and nights and weekends at 7pm as a standard. While they were keeping up with EVDO Rev.0 then EVDO Rev.A, the LTE decision has left them once again, behind Sprint in the 4G game. and please dont start with the BS ab...
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They were required to sell off their landlines by the FCC to aquire nextel. Wasn't'[ that a great move as we know how that has gone. Hmm embarq shares were in the 50.00 range and sprint form 5 to 15.
As for 3g yes sprint had them beat up till months ago were verizon has surpassed them. Look it up compare the two.
And I don't care if sprint has a plan free for the first 1000 min. If they don't start adding allot more people then they lose every quarter you can't say they are doing something good.
Yes WiMax will help them immensely. And your right I think it will be 4g or compete with 4g jsut fine. I am not hating on sprint. No were did I say they suck. I like sprint had them since they started in 1999 with the PCS network and had t...
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As for 3g yes sprint had them beat up till months ago were verizon has surpassed them. Look it up compare the two.
And I don't care if sprint has a plan free for the first 1000 min. If they don't start adding allot more people then they lose every quarter you can't say they are doing something good.
Yes WiMax will help them immensely. And your right I think it will be 4g or compete with 4g jsut fine. I am not hating on sprint. No were did I say they suck. I like sprint had them since they started in 1999 with the PCS network and had t...
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hear you go:
http://cellularmap.net/3g_compare.shtml »
I like to provide a reference when I say something unlike most on this forum that just talk talk talk.
As you can see verizon has many more areas of EVDO now were sprint is no were near.
They overlap many places sprint has in some were verizon doesn't have but verizon has it many many places that sprint does not.
http://cellularmap.net/3g_compare.shtml »
I like to provide a reference when I say something unlike most on this forum that just talk talk talk.
As you can see verizon has many more areas of EVDO now were sprint is no were near.
They overlap many places sprint has in some were verizon doesn't have but verizon has it many many places that sprint does not.
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I really think this a more technical then it is anything else. It seems as long as they operate in the US they are considered a US company paying taxes and employing US workers and all. Vodafone considers VZW an affiliate and on their website says they have 27 million vodafone customers on Verizon Wireless. Like I pointed out Tmobile USA is owned by Deutsche but is HQ in the US.
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I always though DT owned 100% of T-Mobile USA. This probably has something to do with the structure of things. Is DT or T-Mobile publicly traded at all?
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yes Deutsche is a public company:
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You're living in a pipe dream if you think Vodaphone owns 45% of Verizon communications. The wirless arm is not the entire company. Get the facts strait first.
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Who are you talking to? The subject says "VZW", so I would take that to mean wireless.
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The point remains, Vodafone is illegally owning a much larger than 20% share of Verizon Wireless (which is a separate company, so it is a telecommunication company on its own, and yes Vodafone owns more than 20% of it). Calculating the % of Verizon Comm that Vodafone is irrelevant, because yes it is less than 20% (but not much less since VZW is actually about half of Verizon Comm's revenue now).
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