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Exciting times.

snang

Aug 16, 2007, 9:54 AM
Can't wait to see how this impacts electronics as a whole.

Downloading music on my refridgerator, surfing the web on the crapper, checking email while I'm driving.

Can't wait.

Seriously though, this is a big announcement, excited for things to come.
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vonclay

Aug 16, 2007, 9:58 AM
I agree. I don't like the name but the logo is pretty slick. Hopefully the technology works as advertised.
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Jonathanlc2005

Aug 16, 2007, 11:42 AM
lol downloading music on your refridgerator?? 🤣 🤣 🤣

and alot of people surf the internet on the crapper 🙄 🤣
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vonclay

Aug 16, 2007, 12:28 PM
I surf on the crapper whenever I get the chance.
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koziekat

Aug 16, 2007, 1:00 PM
nothing is sexier, than a man surfing the web on the crapper.
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Jonathanlc2005

Aug 16, 2007, 1:06 PM
lol and reading the paper on this computer 🤣
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BigHev

Aug 16, 2007, 1:33 PM
ever seen the movie "Idiocracy"?
maybe this will evolve into the crapper/recliner technology they have in the movie!!!!! 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
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Jonathanlc2005

Aug 16, 2007, 2:25 PM
I WISH!!!! 🤣
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Jayshmay

Aug 16, 2007, 6:52 PM
Thanks for supporting us, it means a lot!!!
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snang

Aug 17, 2007, 10:14 AM
No, I meant ON the crapper. Built in LCD and keyboard. 🤣
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nextel18

Aug 16, 2007, 6:37 PM
Yes now this is a very important product obviously for Sprint and probably its survival into the marketplace. The changed the name obviously to this one to show how different they are from the pact and how much better it is than DO. I would not have named it this but obviously they felt that it is a good name to attract customers. It does sound cool but most importantly they need to market very good on this. They do a great job with their data product.

With all that said, however, they need to take their successful data and try to make those to use the voice services.
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Jayshmay

Aug 16, 2007, 6:56 PM
Sprints date. "MAYBE", but that's plenty enough of a relationship with Sprint, I'd never go as far as getting voice with them.
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nextel18

Aug 16, 2007, 7:07 PM
See that is what I find very interesting going on in this marketplace with Sprint as well as with other companies. Sprint has a very good data product yet they cannot get many people to use their voice services. It is quite interesting why it is not that way. Usually if many people like data they should get the voice since they will see the powerful network it really is. More users on the data will prove problematic but they have plenty of spectrum to allow for not many capacity issues. There is obviously a big disconnect with consumers using the voice than the data. Focus more on voice would be good for them but obviously they are not and wont. They hope that the data users would go to the voice side. I can give examples with the other carr...
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Jayshmay

Aug 16, 2007, 11:39 PM
I've just heard a lot of complaints about Sprint over the years, and recently, I experience the lack of customer service first hand, I was on hold with customer servive for 27 minutes!!! I view that as very disrespectful to the customer, heck, Cingular has almost 3 times more subscribers, and I've never been on hold anywhere close to that long in the 5 and a half years I've been with Cinglar.

But yeah, I agree, Sprint is the leader with data, but I'm sure as we get closer to the end of the decade things will be very satisfactory with Sprint, Verizon, and AT&T on the data side. I just wish the price would come below $60/mo!
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nextel18

Aug 17, 2007, 4:42 PM
Yea that is the issue when it comes to Sprint and other carriers is with customer care. That is not right that you were on hold for 27 minutes. They obviously did not think that Nextel customer service was better than Sprint’s and obviously they did not think of that when letting a lot of Nextel employees go in that area.

When I had Cingular and AT&T back in the day I experienced many delays. This was before they merged and after they merged. I see the difference and AT&T did a great job at training the customer service people and keeping the best and obviously Sprint did not.

It is a real shame for customer care be even on hold for more than 1 minute but if you do not want to talk to them on the phone, you could email them. (Obviousl...
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Jayshmay

Aug 17, 2007, 6:27 PM
Hey, I just wanted to say that your my favorite person in the PhoneScoop forum, because you aren't rude, or argumentative.

I think you understand the purpose, and benefit of this forum, and you don't seem to participate in speaking down on people, like some people in this forum.
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nextel18

Aug 17, 2007, 6:55 PM
Thanks for the kind words.

Phone Scoop is here to be a great tool for those who are seeking knowledge of any of the questions that they may have and the moderators have been doing a great job of providing the information that those people need. Many members on here are very knowledgeable and they are spreading their wisdom throughout the forums, which is great because many of those seekers are learning.

You can see it throughout the forums. the main issue what I have with Phone Scoop has to deal with conversations not being civilized and either not correct information or just regular bashing going on with members. I think that is hurting Phone Scoop a bit. I actually did not post for a number of months for that same reason (as well a...
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Jayshmay

Aug 17, 2007, 7:35 PM
Yeah, I have noticed that you don't seem to be bias towards any specific carrier or manufacturer.

Anyway, I think all the time, and I do mean all the time, about how curious I am what things are going to be like in the wirless industry in 2010. There's a lot to look forward to.
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nextel18

Aug 17, 2007, 8:18 PM
Yea the future of wireless is going to be amazing especially since the carriers and manufacturers will focus more on data products and solutions. Since the carriers need to utilize their data networks it would be very interesting what will come to play in the future. There are obviously very big players in this industry with a few new companies entering this market such as Google and Apple and of course the collaboration of the wireless industry players and the new additions will allow for more R&D dollars to come into place and there are many new things that will come to life. Just check out the Far East they have a lot of newer stuff that could be possibly coming here. Also after looking at some future models and plans for the wireless ind...
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Jayshmay

Aug 17, 2007, 8:22 PM
Well, really all I know that is coming here is Cingular has been testing mobile payments @ they're headquarters city Atlanta where the Atlanta Hawks play, and they have extended the testing to NYC. So, I certainly look forward to that, my debit card, one less thing to carry around.

I also read a headline on PhoneScoop saying that Kodak, and Motorola are partnering on a cameraphone, we need more quality cameraphones, and less pin-hole lens, fixed lens cameraphones!!!
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nextel18

Aug 17, 2007, 8:30 PM
We are seeing many new things that are coming to this market place now even. Mobile banking for example. TV services. Camera phones with WIFI on it. I can go on and on but obviously I will not since it would take up too much time and I am going out tonight. Future is bright for this industry. One of the reasons why I invest in technology stocks.
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Jayshmay

Aug 17, 2007, 8:36 PM
Ah, good point, about investing in tech stocks.

Yeah, we're lucky enough to have some NORMAL weather in Las Vegas, and so I want to be outside, so I'm going to go to the strip and check out construction of City Center, architecture is my other interest/hobby. I like taking pix of the construction. With my quality auto-focus cameraphone, it's a 3.2mp cameraphone, Y-E-A-H!!!!

Thanks for getting back to me.
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nextel18

Aug 17, 2007, 8:48 PM
Yea. Young and older people need to start to focus on investing and actually saving money in this country. Obviously this is not a financial board but I try to bring some little aspects of that to the forum. If you notice when I say many things and companies mentioned I say a disclosure because of that reason for the indirect or direct investing and plus my clients also have shares. (I am used to saying that.)

Yea. I miss LV. The Strip is awesome and have fun. I stayed at Bally’s and Bellagio when I was there.

Lol. You should perhaps look at some cameras that have a higher MP with WIFI.

Have to love technology though. Quite amazing how far this world has gone from the birth of the internet to the cell phones to laptops and other...
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Jayshmay

Aug 17, 2007, 9:00 PM
And the things you mentioned in the last paragraph, have mostly happened in the last 30yrs!!! laptotp battieries have a long, long ways to go though.

3.2 megapixels isn't all that bad, at least I don't think so. I just refuse to pay $750 for the Nokia N95, I know it's the King of all mobile phones, I just refuse to pay that much.

And with reguards to $aving money, well, both my parents have encouraged me to do so, but right now, I'm working 60 plus hours a week, and I am paying approximetly $520 on my debt a month, I'll be 30 in 2yrs, and I want life to be very, very different by the time I turn 30, so I'm dilegently trying to pay down debt!!! Very determined!!!
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nextel18

Aug 27, 2007, 4:05 PM
Yep. Technology is fun. Shame on you to have debt but actually this country is run on debt so I guess it is not so bad.

Paying $520 per month not too bad. I hope the APR for you is not high.
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Jayshmay

Aug 29, 2007, 9:21 AM
Well, with reguards to my debt, most people aren't rich enough to pay cash for HDTVs, cars, houses, laptops, both my HDTV, and my laptop are paid off though, so that feels good.
But I good work 112hrs per paycheck, and am trying my best to continue the downward trend!
And I am on track to zero out my credit card by my 2nd paycheck of December, so I am very excited, and optimistic about '08!!!


And with reguards to paying $520 per month, I'm not too sure what your referring to?
My APR is your referring to my average wireless bill, I have my mother on my account, plus $10/txt msgs, so my monthly wireless bill is approximetly $106, and of course I'm with CingulATT. At least that's what's I'm calling them for now,...until I get a new phon...
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nextel18

Aug 29, 2007, 9:32 AM
As long as you can still live your life and pay off your debt I think you will be fine. Yea I also have my own businesses so I guess maybe I should not have said what I said. Majority of the people in this country actually do not have the money because our savings rate is very low. (Last year it was -1%) this country does not know how to save and that is why this country is in deep trouble. Also with the problems we are facing with the sub-prime mess and foreclosures up will also bring some issues to the economy of this country. Everyone obviously knows the reason why people fall into problems is that they do not save enough and they borrow from their house money that they cannot even afford to pay back for outlandish things. I always say b...
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Jayshmay

Aug 29, 2007, 9:51 AM
Oh yeah, that $520. well with reguards to my APR, I just changed banks recently from Wells Fargo to Washington Mutual, and so since i have a new credit card I have zero interest for the first 6mo.'s, which is super, super helpful, I feel really good thouh because my credit score went all the way up to: 719 recently, not all that bad!

By the way, I got a ? That maybe your qualified to answer. I currently have 2 credit cards open, my Wells Fargo credit card only has a $40 balance though, and I intend on closing my Wells Fargo credit card once it's zerod out, not much to go anyway. It just doesn't make sense to me to have 2 credit cards, one is plenty enough, besides, I have a $6,000 line of credit on my WaMu credit card, and I feel that is ...
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nextel18

Aug 29, 2007, 10:04 AM
The only problem that I see with those 0% offers for balance transfers, is that it is too little time to pay off that balance unless you have a small enough balance that you can pay it off within the allotted promotional time. Continuing to do balance transfers is not that good because it could affect your credit score, but more importantly a lot of these companies charge 3% or more for their balance transfer transaction fee. I think you should perhaps see company who do fixed for life type of balance transfer offers and/or does not charge those 3% or more balance transfer fees. 719 is not a bad credit raiding and I am sure it will continue to go up as long as you pay your bills on time and pay off your debt. I would if I were you is to use ...
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Jayshmay

Aug 29, 2007, 10:18 AM
With reguards to small enough balance, my current balance is $2333, I bought some furniture when i moved recently, and the amount that I spend on my furniture will be paid off @ the end of September, so that'll feel good. Yeah, a fixed rate sure would be nice!

Ah, that's a good point you made, if I cancel that card I cancel the history I have with the bank, and I was with Wells Fargo for quite a number of years, whereas I've only been with Washinton Mutual for almost 3 months.

Another point I heard though is the more available credit you have, a lendor can view that as risky, cause then you have the potential to get deep, deep into debt.

Good point, thanks for the councel.
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nextel18

Aug 29, 2007, 10:35 AM
So try to negotiate with the banks to see if they can lower your APR on those balances. What can be the worst that they can say? No? ok not a big deal. Look at other companies who have those promotional rates. Perhaps they are offering some fixed low rate or promotional rate that lasts a year or what not. You never know what you will find.

Even 3 months is still some history so you shouldn’t cancel either or. If you had let’s say a few years of not using the card and you didn’t make any payment or spending then maybe you should cancel that card. The problem is, if you cancel that card (that you didn’t charge or pay anything), you will lose that credit limit (or no limit if it’s on there) which will decrease your credit score because the...
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Jayshmay

Aug 29, 2007, 11:30 AM
I get what your saying, so I will keep my Wells Fargo card open, and perhaps make a small purchase using it every so often. But am I right, I'm not positive if Wells Fargo does this, but I have heard that some credit cards, if you don't use it for like a year, they'll close the card w/o even asking me!!!

I do intend on closing my checking acct with Wells Fargo though, I just think it makes sense to have a credit card with who I have a checking account with also, because that way it's also easy to make payments.

Thank you, your very helpful.
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nextel18

Aug 29, 2007, 12:18 PM
Well companies tend to close out people’s accounts if they do not use it, but that is why some credit card companies are now charging an annual fee and trying to entice the users with those 0% promotions and low fixed rates or what not. That is true. It just depends on the situation. Perhaps you already have a relationship with that credit card issuer through other means and they might just have that card open just in case you need it for any reason. Some credit card issuers don’t make any money per transaction so if you pay your balance in full every single month that will also trigger a potential reason for them to terminate your card. Companies like Discover and American Express wont as they get a percentage per transaction so even if you...
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maokh

Aug 17, 2007, 4:21 PM
With as much as Clearwire has stumbled around with WiMAX, how is this exciting or important for Sprint's future? The venture is so risky, it doesn't even look like they want to associate their "wireless broadband" segment with the Sprint name.

WiMAX is bad enough, and mobile WiMax is nothing but trouble. Best of luck, but until a PHY like Flash OFDM becomes part of the WiMax stanard, its going to be a very, very bumpy ride.

The only good news on the WiMAX front is Qualcomm, who now owns the rights to Flash OFDM, is trying to push this into the next PHY. It might actually be less of a piece of garbage.

WiMAX as it is now is an overhyped crap standard that underperforms in the outdoor and mobile environment. Phased array "spot ...
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nextel18

Aug 17, 2007, 4:35 PM
Well Clear Wire is struggling because they have an awful business model and their spectrum portfolio is not that big obviously now with the teaming up with Sprint would allow them to have a nationwide network and collect roaming in their areas. The ecosystem for Wimax is great because there are hundreds of suppliers and backing from the super powers of the industry. Of course the venture is risky because whenever you build a new network it will always be risky but they believe and so do I that it will be good and expand globally. The amount of CAPEX they are spending isn’t that much on that network and plus according to the FCC condition they must use that MMDS spectrum that the companies have and they picked Wimax because it was a better f...
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Jayshmay

Aug 17, 2007, 8:06 PM
I've got a few ?'s. What the heck does CAPEX mean, I'm guess in reguards to the context you used it, the CAP means captial, but I can't figure out the EX part. Also, what does the "CAGR for WiMax is amazing" mean? I don't know what CAGR means, I'm not even going to try guessing. Also, what is a handsets ASP, I've never come across that acronym?

By the way, if you don't mind me asking, what do you do for work? Do you work in the wireless industry?

I'm just a security guard for 6yrs who is a gadget geek, and a enthusiast of anything mobile/portable, I have been since I was a teenager when I wanted the SONY Sports Walkman, back in the day when auto-reverse was a big deal, and audio tv recption on a Walkman.
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nextel18

Aug 17, 2007, 8:28 PM
I like to use those kind of jargon and terminology when I talk to others whether it is in person or on the internet forums and I forgot that many people do not know what those terms mean.

CAPEX= capital expenditures.

CAGR= Compound Annual Growth Rate.

ASP= Average Selling Price.

When I said that the CAGR for Wimax is amazing mean that the growth rate for that technology is through the roof. Meaning it will skyrocket in growth every year for a long time. Of course those CAGR numbers should decline over a period of time.

Are you Ray? J/k 🤣 . I was advised by my Phone Scoop lawyers not to answer those questions. I do not mind and well I have many ventures in the wireless industry and I write/contribute to analyst reports...
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Jayshmay

Aug 17, 2007, 8:33 PM
So your kind of a market analyst?

Thanks for getting back to me, I was very curious.

I'm going to put my efforts though into remembering acronyms that apply to the wireless industry though, heck, I can't memorize everything.

You asked if I'm Ray? No, like my UserID "Jayshmay", my name is Jay, or Jason, whatever.
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nextel18

Aug 17, 2007, 8:42 PM
Market analyst is one but I have many more such as commercial developer when it comes to coming up with store and tower locations and I am a consultant. I have a few businesses so all of the things I do keep me very busy.

No worries about if you do not memorize it or not but you could write it down or just keep asking. I will not judge if you need help or any repeating in any of the terms.

I was kidding about the Ray situation. He asked me earlier, a very long while ago, about what I do and what not and I said the same thing I told you about the Phone Scoop lawyer thing. It was quite funny. I was joking though.
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Jayshmay

Aug 17, 2007, 8:55 PM
That's a cool job.

Well,...I'm about to head out myself. And enjoy the normal weather, while it's here!!!

By the way, another things I'm excited about in the industry is memory, memory cards are now available in 4gb's, and probably next year, 8gbs, very satisfying amount of memory!!! It really is amazing, all that in half the size of a stamp!!! And it really makes me happy when I see older people, my parents generation using technoligies like Bluetooth, that makes me happy to see older people utilizing technologies, it really does.
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nextel18

Aug 27, 2007, 4:07 PM
Yea it is fun to have different ventures and making money and doing good in the world.

Memory cards need to still grow in MB/GB side because I think it is still too small, especially with the applications, software, and music we want on those products.
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Jayshmay

Aug 29, 2007, 9:07 AM
What size memory card would you want?

4GB's is good for me, I'm thinking 2.5gb's for music, and 1.5gb's for pix, which is plenty, especially when it comes to pix, I could use more for music though.

I remember 2yrs ago, a 1GB USB Flash Drive cost $100, and now az we can get a 1GB SD card for as little as $16!!! That's exciting too is the gradual increase in memory, and also the gradual decrease in price.
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nextel18

Aug 29, 2007, 9:23 AM
Well I would need the memory card for many things so I guess it would be a lot higher than what you want. I would want it for storing my personal and business files that are stored on my computers, PDAS and other handhelds I have, as well as with music and video files, and finally pictures and what not. Therefore, I would have to say around 20g higher.

Yea the good thing about this industry has to deal with there are a lot of players so the ASP for the devices will start to come down over time. We see that with everything and we see that in the memory card market.
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Jayshmay

Aug 29, 2007, 9:36 AM
Wow! You need 20gigs!!! Your a very, very versatile user! Do you have different phones for work and personal too?

It might not be til summer of 2010 til we see memory cards larger than 16gb's, or so I think, ...but we'll see.

Personally I prefer removable memory rather than large internal memory, but at the same time it would be nice to have a device with 2-4gigs internally, AND a microSD slot!!! But unfortunaly it is the case that the devices that are coming out, the Nokia handsets that were announced on PhoneScoop recently for example, that it is either or, not both, either lots of internal memory, or not so much internal, and a microsd slot.
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nextel18

Aug 29, 2007, 9:51 AM
Yea I need a lot of data for a lot of things that I have for my personal life, entertainment life, and business life. Much of my data is stored on hard drives and other type devices instead of some paper trails. Of course with some of the businesses you need to have paper trails but in some others you do not. Yea I have multiple of devices voice and data for my businesses and for me personally. I think I almost have too many devices. Too bad they cannot make all what I want into one thing. Obviously it might happen one day but I doubt within the next few years. Battery life would be miserable.

I think as long as the customer, if they need a lot of storage, would like either internal memory or external memory for their storage of that da...
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Jayshmay

Aug 29, 2007, 10:03 AM
Yeah, it seems as though everything is accelerating, except batteries, not just cell phones, but I think laptops havea long, long ways to go when it comes to batteries!

I've always thought LCD is too much, I am fond of DLP though, especially considering how much lighter they are then the older CRT displays, which is what I have, a 51 in Toshiba CRT,
ultimatley I'd like to get a DLP led light enginve, that's 1080p, but right now, but I have other priorities right now.

It is exciting though, 60in DLPs are now below $2,000, maybe next year they'll be around $1,500, now that's exciting, especially when tax, delivery, plus the special stand are all added up, that must get taken into account too.
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nextel18

Aug 29, 2007, 10:14 AM
The only thing that batteries accelerating are the continuation of either blowing up or shorting and become a nuisance to customers and to companies. That recall list loves to grow for batteries. That power cell seems to be some promising and some other battery technology has been talked about through wind, sun, and other means, but we still seem to be lacking in the longevity and performance of the batteries. Will it change? Obviously. When? No idea. Perhaps the battery costs a lot to make and the companies don’t see a good return? Not sure.

LCDs are good technology but I think DLP is a bit better. TI did a great job at coming up with DLP and continuing to evolve and improve on that. (One of the reasons why I think TI is a great company...
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Jayshmay

Aug 29, 2007, 10:28 AM
Yeah, I like TI also, they've been around a long time, and gave made some good contributions to the market.

I have a ? about something that you might have some experience with, considering your a business user of mobile devices, do you have any experience with the Blackberry OS? And is so, what are your thoughts?

The reason I ask is recently I have been thinking about how attracted I am to the Blackberry Curve, it has a nice keyboard, and a 3.5mm headphone jack, like a lot of handset should!

I just keep wondering how much longer it's going to be before RIM puts out a 3G Blackberry, preferably a Curve.
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nextel18

Aug 29, 2007, 10:45 AM
Yea, those calculators are fun especially during some finance classes.

Yea I use the Blackberry. I have had not many issues with the OS, mail client, and handheld software, but I have had some issues with outages but its technology so nothing is new there. Some third party software didn’t work that well on but they provided patches that allowed for no issues to further happen. Sometimes it does freeze but not lately because again they would provide some updates to make that problem disappear. The Curve was a very good phone that came out from Rimm. The Worldwide one is good also.

We will see in the future 3G devices from Rimm.
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Jayshmay

Aug 29, 2007, 10:59 AM
So it doesn't seems as though you are disspointed in the Blackberry OS. Sure RIM will come out with a 3G Blackberry, but how much longer is the ? I'm not waiting past February to upgrade.
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nextel18

Aug 29, 2007, 12:22 PM
Overall I wasn’t disappointed but there were some instances like I described earlier that I didn’t like but it was clarified very quickly. (perhaps my ties helped.)

Who knows we might see some 3G devices from Rimm shortly especially as carriers start to roll out with their networks. everyone knows there is great potential from the 3G devices but they still want to go after the 2.5G networks until that revenue is exhausted. Great business model.
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maokh

Aug 19, 2007, 12:07 AM
Business model aside, the WiMAX air interface sucks for anything other than low contention, fixed links with reasonably high system operating margin....infact, it can barely even do that right.

Throw mobile STA's in the mix, which always seem to be operating on the fringe, and its really going to be interesting to see how well the system will scale.

One of the largest technical hurdles is that it just takes one client with bad signal to ruin the party for the rest of those on that sector/spot beam/etc. The system will change the encoding to the least common denominator. MIMO is going to help..but to what extent..i dont know. Its TDD .. meaning clients and the base station communicate over the same channel allotment.

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frank_the_tank

Aug 19, 2007, 7:42 PM
maokh said:
One of the largest technical hurdles is that it just takes one client with bad signal to ruin the party for the rest of those on that sector/spot beam/etc. The system will change the encoding to the least common denominator. MIMO is going to help..but to what extent..i dont know.


The least common denominator example is flat out incorrect. I'm using XOHM today. The modulation is based on signal strength per subscriber, and dynamically changes. A second subscriber's modulation rate is independent of another subscriber. So the one client with a bad signal has ZERO impact on another.
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nextel18

Aug 27, 2007, 4:02 PM
I disagree with everything you say more importantly about the statement; “One of the largest technical hurdles is that it just takes one client with bad signal to ruin the party for the rest of those on that sector/spot beam/etc. The system will change the encoding to the least common denominator.” That is 100% false. You should realize that it does not affect per subscriber as much as DO and other methods do.

frank_the_tank also disagreed with that too.

“Nobody is going to be shooting 75mbps to their WiMAX laptop just yet 30 miles away from the tower like all the WiMAX fanboys say”

Could be true but they have a chance at hitting that number. Look at what HSPA and REV B and C and other technologies they are said to hit high...
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