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Ouch

muchdrama

Jul 19, 2007, 11:43 PM
I guess Verizon was tired of sitting at a standstill in regards to this feud.
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scbysnx

Jul 20, 2007, 2:39 AM
well.. I will say waiting for the american "justice" system to pass judgement would be like fiscal suicide.. I haven't looked at the ruling but I wonder if its just one of those things there a company says "we thought this would be a good idea first" rather than "we DEVELOPED this first"
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Platypus

Jul 20, 2007, 8:58 AM
Guess verizon is anxious to deliver some more stale hand sets.
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Jayshmay

Jul 20, 2007, 9:26 AM
Gosh, I really wish AT&T did something like this!!!!!!!! I feel like the future is being delayed, and I plan on getting a new handset sometime between now, and February, at the latest.

I haven't been under contract since Oct.30 2005, ha, ha.

Anyway, I wish AT&T would do something like this!!!
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BluetoothGuy

Jul 20, 2007, 9:35 AM
I don't see the relationship between this article and AT&T. The patent dispute only affects CDMA carriers. Am I missing something?
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Jayshmay

Jul 20, 2007, 9:38 AM
Oh,...maybe I'm the one missing something, heck,...I don't know. I didn't know it only applies to CDMA handsets, I thought it applied to all 3G handsets imported into the U.S.
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techie2001

Jul 20, 2007, 9:50 AM
It does affect some AT&T handsets. WCDMA is just that, an evolution of CDMA, some handsets are slated for Qualcomm chipsets, which are affected by the ban. Not as many as Sprint & VZW though... or any other all-CDMA carrier that implements 3G and uses Qualcomm.
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Jayshmay

Jul 20, 2007, 9:53 AM
Aren't all 3G handsets qualcomm chip based?
Also what I don't understand about WCDMA is, I understand that it is a evolution of CDMA, but why is an evolution of CDMA also a next step for GSM, being 3G handsets???
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Wireless Buddy

Jul 20, 2007, 10:15 AM
Jayshmay said:
Aren't all 3G handsets qualcomm chip based?


Yes, and all CDMA handsets are Qualcomm based.
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Jayshmay

Jul 20, 2007, 10:19 AM
So how much longer will it be before you think we can expect more 3G handsets on AT&T?!!?

I'm waiting for something that really impresses me to upgrade, like a 3.2mp auto-focus cameraphone, also I hear AT&T is suppose to be launching MobileTv in the 4th qtr of this year. So, those are the 2 things I'm waiting for.
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stoopered

Jul 20, 2007, 1:44 PM
As far as I know W-CDMA is only used in Japan right now. I think VW should have waited, but I'm curious how this will work out for them.
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sangyup81

Jul 20, 2007, 3:01 PM
Another name for W-CDMA is UMTS which is what at&t likes to call it.

HSPDA, HSUPA, and HSPA (combination of the first two) is an upgraded version of UMTS.
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alpha1

Jul 20, 2007, 10:31 PM
stoopered said:
As far as I know W-CDMA is only used in Japan right now. I think VW should have waited, but I'm curious how this will work out for them.


wcdma is now used pretty much all over the developed countries. in the US, ATT uses it. pretty much all Euro carriers have migrated to it. China has its own flavor (TD-CDMA), but plans to give out licenses for WCDMA also (hopefully in time for olympics) etc etc..

in fact Verizon Wireless does not even use WCDMA.. it uses EVDO for its third generation nws. however, both WCDMA and EVDO chipsets manufactured by QCOM shall be affected by the ban.. and QCOM has a much smaller presence in the WCDMA market.. so the Verizons and Sprints of the world get affe...
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alpha1

Jul 22, 2007, 1:17 PM
Wireless Buddy said:
Jayshmay said:
Aren't all 3G handsets qualcomm chip based?


Yes, and all CDMA handsets are Qualcomm based.



not true.. all 3g handsets are not qcom based..

qcom just has a good chunk of patents for the cdma tech.. so they bully the market around.. now somebody else is trying to play QCOM's dirty tricks on QCOM itself.. what u sow , so shall u reap.. 🤣
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alpha1

Jul 20, 2007, 10:38 PM
Jayshmay said:
Aren't all 3G handsets qualcomm chip based?
Also what I don't understand about WCDMA is, I understand that it is a evolution of CDMA, but why is an evolution of CDMA also a next step for GSM, being 3G handsets???


Absolutely not, majority of 3G handsets (including those marketed by the leader in the 3G space.... Nokia... ) are not QCOM based.

QCOM chipsets are in heavy use in the EVDO 3G (the one used by VZW and Sprint etc).. whereas they have smaller share in the WCDMA market.. which I believe shld be dominated by Texas Inst (as they probably supply those chips to Nok)

WCDMA is not an evolution for CDMA.. it is in the evolution path of GSM only. However, it shares some fundamentals i...
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alpha1

Jul 20, 2007, 10:40 PM
W-CDMA : Wideband - CDMA (wideband bcoz of 5 Mhz band of spectrum)
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sangyup81

Jul 21, 2007, 4:00 PM
If we are talking worldwide, then yes, TI dominates.

This injunction doesn't involve worldwide sales, it involves US sales. And on every 3G Cingular phone, I've seen the Qualcomm sticker. Does this mean Qualcomm has a lock on the W-CDMA 850/1900 dual mode chips?
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alpha1

Jul 22, 2007, 1:08 PM
sangyup81 said:
If we are talking worldwide, then yes, TI dominates.

This injunction doesn't involve worldwide sales, it involves US sales. And on every 3G Cingular phone, I've seen the Qualcomm sticker. Does this mean Qualcomm has a lock on the W-CDMA 850/1900 dual mode chips?



not true, there probably must have been some cing 3g phones with other chipsets.. say Nokia N75 ( NOK-QCOM combo does not exist mostly ).. or how abt the Moto 3G Cingular phone ( did it use the QCOM chip? )
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renardlee

Jul 22, 2007, 3:29 AM
not all WCDMA chipsets are manufactured by Qualcomm, some are made by nokia and other companies. and WCDMA is an evolution of the GSM standard using a cdma air interface to succeed the tdma-based air interface used by GSM,when i say tdma, i dont not mean the standard TDMA

WCDMA is not directly related to qualcomm's 1x2000,1xEVDO, wcdma was developed by NTT DoCoMo for their FOMA interface
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Wireless Buddy

Jul 20, 2007, 10:14 AM
3G GSM handsets and all CDMA handsets because 3G GSM use technology borrowed from CDMA (it's called WCDMA) and the chips are made by Qualcomm.
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Jayshmay

Jul 20, 2007, 10:21 AM
So esseentially, 3G GSM handsets are a hybrid of sorts, a combination of both GSM and CDMA technoligies?
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Wireless Buddy

Jul 20, 2007, 12:33 PM
Sort of, but remember, WCDMA is not CDMA, it's just using properties of CDMA.
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Jayshmay

Jul 20, 2007, 12:40 PM
See,...that's what confuses me, not CDMA, but uses properties of CDMA, am I right, GSM uses WCDMA, but CDMA doesn't, CDMA uses EVDO.
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Wireless Buddy

Jul 20, 2007, 12:45 PM
CDMA could use WCDMA if they wanted to.
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Jayshmay

Jul 20, 2007, 12:54 PM
Oh, they're just not smart enough because they're evil Sprint & Verizon? Is that why, cause they're evil, and they're not AT&T (Cingular). . .
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sangyup81

Jul 20, 2007, 3:05 PM
Verizon Wireless, Alltel, and Spring no longer use vanilla CDMA.

The technology they are on is called CDMA2000.

The derivatives of that are the 1xRTT and 1xEV-DO you see on your VZW handsets.

W-CDMA is the other route that GSM carriers have gone with. One of the main differences is that W-CDMA requires 5MHz of Spectrum while CDMA2000 only requires 1.25MHz of Spectrum
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algorithmplus

Jul 22, 2007, 11:11 AM
Wireless Buddy said:
3G GSM handsets and all CDMA handsets because 3G GSM use technology borrowed from CDMA (it's called WCDMA) and the chips are made by Qualcomm.

Actually, that's not necessarily true. A company, you may have heard of it before, called Nokia, actually produces WCDMA chipsets. Nokia is in different patent disputes with Qualcomm. Another company, called Texas Instruments, also produces WCDMA chipsets.

Yes, Qualcomm does produce some WCDMA chispets, but they do not produce all of them.
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muchdrama

Jul 20, 2007, 7:13 PM
Platypus said:
Guess verizon is anxious to deliver some more stale hand sets.


Oh, but they do stale to the "T"!
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mcfadonna

Jul 20, 2007, 11:59 AM
There is more than two chp makers Used by gsm phone manufacturers. This affects cdma carriers more than gsm. Motorola is hit by this. But Nokia and SE are not majorly affected.
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Wireless Buddy

Jul 20, 2007, 12:35 PM
Except for their 3G phones...
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sangyup81

Jul 20, 2007, 3:03 PM
if I remember correctly, Qualcomm is not the only maker of 3G chipsets BUT they seem to be the only ones that have 850MHz/1900MHz chipsets that are required for use on at&t's network
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Blazers4ever

Jul 20, 2007, 7:03 PM
Nokia and SE do not use Qualcomm chipsets. They make their own and pay royalities to Qualcomm for their patents. They're not under the same ban the Qualcomm based handsets.
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